Bob, I think you are mistaken. The basic problem is Muslim extremists whose faith is incompatible with our Western values and it is their duty to over-throw them. Listen to what extreme Muslim supporters have said on ScoobyNet recently (although they have been very quiet today so far). Yes, they are not only in Britain, they are on ScoobyNet too

Start with this thread and you'll soon get an idea of the problem: https://www.scoobynet.com/israel-rig...g-t529762.html

Iraq/Israel etc helps to fuel the fires, but that's not at the heart of it. Check your history. Just google something like Muslim Terror Attacks and see what comes up. Islamic terror is global - we and the US just happen to be top of the list.

Richard.

 

That'd be you then.

Can I remind you that shortly before 7/7 you were scoffing at Government suggestions that there were terrorist cells operating in the country. I'll dig out the thread and bump it later, just for you.

 

Go on then, educate me. With facts, not just your opinions. Cheers.

 

For anybody that thinks Islamic terror is something new, something to do with the invasion of Iraq or the present Israel/Hezbollah conflict, scroll down this link for a list of events going back several decades:

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004102822.asp

[i]"...The current violence is part of the Islamic radicalism espoused by groups like al Qaeda. The objective is the expulsion of infidels (non-Moslems) from Islamic areas (as defined by Islamic radicals) and the eventual conversion of all infidels to Islam. This religion based terrorism has killed over half a million infidels (mostly Christians) in the past two decades.
"[i/]

Do you still think if we pull out of Iraq that Muslim terror campaigns will stop?

Richard.

 

And Richard, how much of that do you think is due to the US sponsorship of Israel? Something ELSE we've signed up to do just to be America's bum chum.

 

Richard: Thats a load of tosh.

Show me the figures for the 500,000+ people killed by Islamic 'Terrorists' over the last 20 years.

Then show me the figures for how many people have been killed by Christian 'armies'

 

Is Bonehead writing a book?

 

Tel/Bob,

All I have done is a bit of google to show that modern Ismalic Terror goes back several decades and is global, not just restricted to the US, the UK or to Israel. Try it yourself

The situation in Israel doesn't help but historically, the Jews have as much right to claim that territorry as anybody else (it goes back about 3,000 years) and, perhaps more pertinently, it was Britain and the US that establsihed the state of Israel after WW2. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but we did it, it's not going away, we have have a national responibility to try and sort out on-going problems.

I wish it was otherwise, but you can't just walk away from obligations when it suits you.

Richard.

 

Richard: Thats a load of tosh.

Show me the figures for the 500,000+ people killed by Islamic 'Terrorists' over the last 20 years.

Then show me the figures for how many people have been killed by Christian 'armies'

 

Richard i still maintain that the majority of UK-directed aggression is due to our involvement in the Middle East. Our tacit support of Israel's recent actions just adds fuel to their fire. Sod historical obligations, let's have a referendum on whether we should be putting out own civilians at risk as a result of our policies abroad, and take it from there.

 

Is there an echo in here

 

And this is just a coincidence ? Did they just put all the names of all the countries in the world into a hat and draw them out ? There is a reason why the US and UK top the list !

No, it won't stop them altogether. But what the US/UK disastrous foreign policy has done in recent years is reinforce support for fundamentalist causes. It has attracted those Muslims who would not normally lean toward radicalism. This is why we are in our current situation, and it's too late to do anything about it now other than withdraw civil liberties in the name of security.

 

So what about all the soldiers during the 2 world wars who scrificed their lives for the greater good. So you think the first people off the boats on the beaches at normandy expected to go home again. Remember that no religious person will commit a sucie bombing unless they believe it is a right and just thing to do. Also remember that both the IRA and Israel have had considerable political success based on terrorist campaigns and forcing western powers into Political discussion based on fear of more terrorist attacks.

 

What complete rubbish the Zionist campaign to evict palestinians from their land land started in the 1800's and took a LONG time to complete. The Palestinians were very helpful and kind to the first Jewish arrivals. Considering the rampant racism that stemmed from the first migrations to the UK from the colonies it seems Ironic that the problem never existed in palestine when Zionism first started.

 

Love how its all this Muslim brothers ****, different countries but because they all beleive the same thing, they are all mates, yeah right, they want to blow us up, each other, they just dont want to be Muslims, suicide is a way out and they think they may come back as something they enjoy ?

 

everything to do with world events... and perceptionis of injustices towards Islamic world so they trying to fight back obviously.

Got $h1t to do with trying to convert GB to Islamic GB.

Just btw... the religion itself does not promote suicide.. that is like supposed to be the last resort.

A dude in the middle of a squatter camp in Gaza with nothing, no firearms or anything..facing up to a tank and soldiers with firearms and flak jackets you sort of see that he feels blowing himself up is last resort. Just i.m.o.

But a dude blowing himself up in built up London to achieve something just don't seem on the same level. But this is purely from the point of consideringn what goes on in their minds. The real truth only they know i guess..but what is more probable

 

It is interesting to observe that many religions have some requirement for personal sacrifice. Most recently we see this with the middle class suburban religion of man made global warming which is rife in the UK. The first requirement is that is based upon faith rather than facts and so the published facts, this for example:

http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/a...Mletter06.html

are ignored as being the work of some form of evil spirit which seeks to misdirect the true believer.

Then it is necessary to make sacrifice to cement one's position within the cult and in the case of the man made global warming true believer these sacrifices come in giving up your car, or avoiding other lifestyle choices which are temptations placed by satan.

While this may seem like a strange thing to say under the current circumstances it is easy to see the parallels and it is easy to see how the more extreme members of each religious group can be directed to carry out acts that to others seem strange. So, I would argue that the potential for irrational behaviour in search of some "religious" goal is in some way hard wired into all of us and this opens us all to the potential for doing silly things to follow our chosen religion. Blowing up planes is, perhaps, the most dramatic way to exhibit this human trait but it is little different, at least in any abstract consideration of motive and what part of human nature drives it, than what a man made global warming true believer does each day by way of sacrifice and I suspect that the mental and social mechanisms are exactly the same in each case.

 

Just for Bob:

https://www.scoobynet.com/terror-thr...l-t419201.html

 

I can't vote in this poll because the questions just don't fit the circumstances.

Les