James Neill

iTrader: (1)

I know everyone is entitled to their own opinions and that's good. But please read the survey before you put 2 and 2 together and make 5.

http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SU...20Download.pdf

Some of what people have written in this thread so far demonstrates ignorance (and frustration) more than anything else.

The Zohan

You just cannot tar everyone with the same brush.

Friend was raped by a copper, i do not think all cops are rapists!

However

There are so many illegals, gov't best guess was 750,000 and we are such easy targets for handouts no wonder we attract so many undesireables amongst the real people needing help. The UK is a cash cow to some who know how to milk it for all it is worth.

If you want to blame someone blame Blair and his bunch of fools he calls a government. These fools have put us in this situation. Scum just turn up and get ewhat they want, claim they wikll be persecuted if returned and heh presto - you are in - OK generalising but not far off the real situation

Our borders leak like a sieves and we are an island FFS!

Our Gov't chose to release 100's of immigrant criminals back into society due to an error which they then sat back and ignored. instead of being deported.

The criminal immigrant element is a problem, the cause of the problem is the Labour gov't not tackling this earlier andf welcoming alcomers regalrdless of past history.
Welcome to Blairs Britian!

TelBoy

And which part of that survey do you think has resulted in "ignorant" statements, James? If anything, i'd say it reinforces the fears and concerns of many of those who've posted. The very first poll itself says it all, in my opinion.

Son of Quatto

'You just cannot tar everyone with the same brush.

Friend was raped by a copper, i do not think all cops are rapists!'

Paul i'm not so naive as to presume that all rapists are illegals BUT there is a worrying trend towards these crimes happening by them. They would not have occurred if the scum weren't allowed in period. My city like many has changed and the only use i can see these young men for is washing my car on a sunday.(lol kosovan carwash)

The fact that my niece is half-pakistani and wife is mexican shouldn't have to come into it but if it gets all the liberals off my back chanting RACIST then so be it

davegtt

By that reckonning if all countries adopted the same policy we'd still be living with people like Gary Glitter over here.... I have sympathy for you and your friend but unless they we're convicted rapists before coming here you cannot blame the government for what happened. We cant just close our borders completely because then you will get more illegals coming over rather than asylum seekers. (2 different things remember)

jasey

Thanks for the link.

11% of British muslims approve of the July Bombings.

That's 160,000 odd that need to be shown the door (Or shot).

davegtt

Wrong, thats 11% of the 1000 questioned.

TelBoy

So it's unrepresentative for the questions to which we don't like the answers now, is it??

scoobygez

Their laws, their religion, their country now, their ways. Like it or lump it.

that has hit the nail on the head were i am from lancs,all the asians up here well 90% have no respect what so ever for us english full stop, there only uses are taxis 2nd hand shops and take aways to me they are like rats dirty vermin that spread and mutiply very quickly who the **** needs 5+children in every family and every generation???? i got told a few years go its in the koran that they want world domination maybe some one on here should double check that?? the mind boggles that we are the most taxed coutry in the world yet give the biggest hand outs if not we are racist??wtf??? no wonder so many uk born and bred are leaveing why would anyone want to bring children up in a society like ours now a days except these 3rd world societys that think its great here??!! imho who ever comes to this coutry should respect and follow our ways this is our brittania not flipping islam or any other god, state, etc. if they dont like it they know were the door is,they can go back and eat rice and drink dirty water. and live in a mud hut oh yeah and stone each other cut each others hands off and various other bodily parts and walk around like special ninjas there i mean who else purposely breaks the limbs of there chidren so they can beg and get more money coz people feel sorry for them???

rant over, i am not racist just expressing thats before our very eyes.

jasey

Oh - they just stumbled across the most militant ones did they.

100 odd terrorists is too many for me .

11% of 1000 or 11% of 1.6 million - somewhere in between is the truth about how many potential terrorists we have living amongst us !

davegtt

Didnt say that did I? Percentages are a load of bull when it comes to statistics. Or should that be statistics are a load of bull full stop.

Some of the English I know were saying the US brought on the sept 11th attacks themselves and showed no sympathy. Lets say it was only 1% does that mean should go and kill 1% of the English population just because of the odd one or 2 who I knew said something.

I agree what what was said, send them back or shoot them if they agreed with the July bombings. but it doesnt mean 160k Muslims believe that.

jasey

Oh - and they could have been speaking to the nice ones - it could be 20% of the ***** that want to see more bombings of women & children

davegtt

FFS, fine, theres no reasoning with you all then, Just go and vote for the BNP or something then.... Some dumb a$$ voted for Blair yet you all moan about him...

Typical moaning Britain is what Im reading in this thread. Happy to moan and say this and that needs to be done but nobody can be ar$ed doing it, we'll just moan about the government again

davegtt

jasey, stats are cr@p, just like I tried to point out in the 53% of brits want to leave thread. Where they all asked in London where IMO is a **** hole and Id hate to live or where they asked in the nice places of the country...? These Muslims could have been asked in Bradford, Burnley or Oldham where there is alot of racial tension. Did anyone ask my Indian mate who live in town who is sound as a pound? No they didnt.

unclebuck

Here's a good statistic from the survey - 30% would prefer to live under Sharia law, but only 19% would be prepared to move to a country governed by Sharia law - 70% would prefer to stay here!?!

What does that tell you, apart from the obvious fact that they are full of sh*t.

unclebuck

Could well be more. Rermember all statistics are 'bull'

TelBoy

I don't think it's typical moaning Britain at all. Unless you're suggesting we DO all sign up to the BNP to change it. Politicians can't be seen to be racist, not once the open door policy was adopted, so we all have to smile and get on with it. It's irreversible unless you know otherwise, and a LOT of people, not just the Daily Mail soundbyte few, are unhappy about it. What can we do? **** all.

jasey

There's plenty of people willing to take the law into their own hands - trouble is it's illegal to sort out the mess that the government wont.

unclebuck

We will all be branded 'racist' in a minute - it's only one step away now.

The leather elbowed Guardian readers are nothing if not predictable.

davegtt

If 30% would prefer to live under Sharia Law but only 19% would move that means only 11% are being Hypocritical. Probably the same 11% that agreed with the July bombings...lol

jasey

Stats or no stats - the fact is there are 100 Muslims that approve of the London Bombings - that's 100 too many.

Lets say it's 80,000 - a good compromise for frailties of the survey (which was promoted to us as showing the Muslims in a GOOD light - )

davegtt

Im not going to brand anyone a racist, Ive not seen any racist comments so why should I? Other than this thread being a bunch of Muslim bashing Im trying to turn a bit of debate on it. Otherwise whats the thread in aid of other than moaning?

Ive read on this thread we're all going to vote for another Hitler before long.

Ive read on this thread we're going to have a civil war before long aswell.

So why not just go and vote for BNP now and get it sorted before it goes too far? You wont because you just want to moan about it and let others (government) sort it. yet when they dont you just moan about them again.

Sorry, but thats how its coming across.

davegtt

Agreed, youve not found me disagreeing anywhere have you. Lets say it is 80k people. Something needs to be done then, I agree with that aswell.

unclebuck

I've said for some time that I fully intend to vote for the British National party as soon as I'm given the opportunity. As you point out - it's time to take some action.

TelBoy

But Dave, you cannot seriously expect the rational voters of the UK to vote for the BNP just to try and reverse the immigration trend? Until the UK reaches critical point and we are all having to bend to accomodate Islam, that's not going to happen. And none of the mainstream parties have got the guts to address the issue. It's a vicious circle, and a downwards one at that.

SJ_Skyline

Showing them the door or shooting them however is not the answer. Understanding why 11% think the 7/7 bombings were justified because of Britain's support for the so-called "war on terror" would be a start.

TelBoy

Rich, but we DO know those answers. We're invading their countries. Fair enough, get the troops out. Does that make Bradford a place i'd like to live? Nope.

SJ_Skyline

Tel,

I think you may find that the parties will change as any critical point approaches. We've seen the "New Labour project" which radically transformed the party, who's to say there won't be other changes to the parties?

jasey

Trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted I'm afraid.

The time to sort this was when we started all the Immigration in the 60's/70's. We're now in a position where we're gonna be left with choices like "Bomb Bradford" or "Vote BNP" or "Time for Adolf".

The timing is the Issue.

50 years is about right IMO.

So I'll be OK - Should be dead by then - And if not dead I certainly wont be bothered at having to turn to Allah

SJ_Skyline

I agree - get the troops out. They should never have been there in the first place. Will it happen - who knows?