Quite agree Ted.

 

Maybe we should start a "Who's a homo" thread.

As there is, according to many on here, nothing wrong with being homosexual these days then surely those that are will openly admit to it.

Chip

 

Anthony Crichton-Wheeler claims to be deaf, as did JeffS a while a go.

 

Pardon

 

Stone the bender

 

I pretty much feel the same way.
The vetting process is stringent but sadly some sick ***** slip through the net, not all people who adopt kids do it for the right reasons.

The choice is to not foster out any kids ever - the 'throw the baby out with the bathwater' approach. This seems a shame as there are plenty of kids who have benifitted from fostering, adults as well!

or

Learn from this and improve the system of adoption.
Also lock these abominations who did this up for 20+ years as warning to other would be abusers and never let out if not a completley satisfied they are not a threat to other children. - Never, ever let them near kids again!

I do not think being gay automaically qualifies you as a child molester!

Also i wonder how many kids are abused in childrens homes, you cannot shut them, else where would the kids go?

IMHO The answer is too prevent it happening by proper checking and suitable care and supervision and to properly punish those who seek to abuse kids by removing thier freedom - for good in required.

 

<Hand on heart>

This is why i have a problem with same sex adoption, I am not gay and do not entirley understand the feelings.

As a hetrosexual male - when i see an atractive woman it can and often does stir feelings mentaly and physically.

I do not find children physically attractive or sexual in any way.I find the thought of it abborant. I do know it is wrong and it does nothing for me in a sexual way anyway.

I suppose homosexuals have the same feelings about same sex people they find attractive, i doubt they see kids as sexy or attractive unless they are motivated in that way. This is my sumise BTW

A hetro or homo child abuser is still a child abuser regardless of ther own sexual oreintation IMHO

Anyway, to the point UB made i just struggle to see how same sex fostering can benefit the child as i do not know if children can be groomed into being homosexual or if you are 'just born that way' I just do not know.

 

I wouldn't say this is just NL's fault though Les, though they certainly haven't helped. I feel this is just more the way society has been sliding/leaning for a long time. The whole reason we have laws is so that everyone can't just do whatever the hell they want. Society needs to be reigned in sometimes, just because someone wants to do something doesn't mean it's a good thing for society. Often peoples actions have a negative impact on others, but they don't consider that when they're purly thinking of themselves.

 

I stand by what I said Ted Maul, but my caring and sensitivity in this case is directed to the safety of the children concerned rather than for the feelings of the homosexual partners. PS, I am not that old!

What I will say Iwan is that NL have destroyed so much of the family attitudes that used to exist by their lack of support of marriage. They have done nothing to maintain standards and when those start to slip, it seems to become an exponential affair.

Les

 

This type of message is the point I'm making - how saddening it is to see such views on this forum. This guy Chip seems to suggest that people are afraid to admit being gay because they think its not normal, and that somehow the lack of open gay people on the forum means that it is not natural. Perhaps the only reason they may not want to admit it is
a) it's irrelevant, or
b) they fear abuse from in breds like yourself

no doubt he'll probably ask if I'm a 'poofta' or something now

 

Ted,
Firstly how can you possibly even hint at me being inbred. Why do you say this.
Secondly, I couldnt give a toss whether you are hetero or homosexual.

As for your other points. Yes many people do keep their homosexuality to themselves and live in fear of being "exposed". Why? Well maybe, just maybe they too, deep down realise that what they are doing is not natural.

As for the main topic of adoption then as you would expect I totally disagree with it. Gay adoption is not in children’s best interests. They are too vulnerable, and there are too many potential added disadvantages for them to cope with including gender identity. Married couples have a more stable relationship and make far better "natural" parents for adopted children.

Chip

P.S. Are you????

 

Yes, Jeff, I'd say it's a pretty accurate representation, unless you want to get pedantic over the meaning of "lifelong" of course...

 

Ok then, Iwan, have it your way. Your opinion, such as it is, is wrong, misguided, inaccurate, whatever word you want to put to it. Don't be a **** with regards the "accuracy" of quoting. You're a bigotted dinosaur who obviously doesn't know his **** from his elbow. It's illuminating, yet depressing at the same time to know that there are intolerant people like you still walking the planet. But I'm sure you're very content with your little world. Let's not get into a factual conversation, I don't think it would suit you.

 

Good attempt at baiting, sociopath, well for you anyway, but why not take just a few minutes to go check out the facts. Can't be arsed? Don't want to read anything that contradicts your "I'm always right and I'll bloody well let Scoobynet know it" point of view? Come back when you have some sort of factual information under your belt, not just the noises emanating from your ****. Why should anyone have to admit to being gay just to appease you..?? LOL

 

Well I'm sorry if you feel that way. Maybe my parents were wrong in the way they brought me up to believe that marriage was the right way of doing things. I think most people from my era will feel the same way as well.
Youngsters these days are bombarded with all the politically correct claptrap which of course teaches them in school that it's OK and normal to be gay which in my view whether you like it or not it is not.


Chip

 

Precisely - your view. If two consenting adults (and pay attention to those 2 words) feel that it is ok, natural you could say, then please spell out what exactly makes them less deserving and upright citizens than yourself?

 

***** are for sh$&ting out of, anyone say's different are not NORMAL

 

I did my missus up the ****ter last night - best put me down

 

I havent said that they're less deserving and upright citizens than myself.I merely pointed out that I think that what they do is not natural and that I think a child is better brought up in a true family environment.

Chip

 

i was surprised too...i assumed such right wing attitudes were all hype and not real peoples attitudes.

i dont know any gay people in my social circle, or black for that matter........but very glad i dont know any biggots either!

 

Ever had a blow job? natures way is it? you sicko.

 

No gays are ****in stupid to think taht its ok to foster someone, thats got enough worries in theyre life without needing the extra burden of being easy pickings to not so nice children about living witha bunch of **** lovin men.

 

lots of animals get ******** all the time so id say yes.

 

Good point, coherently made.

You feckin' eejit.

 

To me, the two most important words in your reply. Yes, when you and I were kids, homosexuality was frowned upon, it was seen as something inherently wrong and unnatural.

But you know what? We've moved on from those times. We've come to understand sexuality more than we ever have done before, we've come to realise that homosexuality in some living organisms *is* a natural state. The evidence is there if you want to read it. Yes I know that doesn't sit comfortably, I know it contradicts what your parents indoctrinated you with(myself included at the time) at an early age, but do me a favour, don't refute medical and scientific advancement, just because it doesn't suit. You might not know many gay people or have had much interaction with that lifestyle - I've had more than most, if that's important. The facts about sexuality which are now being presented to us have been self-evident truths to me for decades. I would hope and imagine that a younger generation would be willing and able to accept these facts in their stride.

So how about opening your mind to the merest possibility that not every human is heterosexual, and for the majority of those who aren't, it isn't some sort of trendy, bandwagon-jumping stunt. You might then be able to appreciate the argument from both sides, something which at present you're evidently unable to do. I doubt I alone will alter anything in your mind, but believe me, it isn't all quite as simple and straightforward as I know you'd like it to be. As I've said to others, do some research, don't base opinions on out-dated information, heresay, rumour and prejudice. Cheers.

 

Incredible.

Is self gratification so important to people?

Well if we have progressed and our understanding has taught us so much....give me a time machine to go back to a bit of normality.

Weird ,weird times we live in.

 

They've always been "weird", lozgti, it's just that we've never before had the evidence to prove that it's not all quite so "abnormal" as you'd like to believe. Personally I fail to understand why people are so threatened by the whole spectre of homosexuality. The thought/image of two men/women ******** or feeling emotion for each other (and let's be clear, homosexuality DOES mean men AND women)? God alone knows. Personally I struggle to accept the very camp, "mincer" mannerisms of some highly affected gays, but if you think that's representative of the majority of homosexuals, that might be where this prejudice emanates from, I don't know. Maybe you don't really know yourself.

 

I always thought that sex was meant primarily for the procreation of the species. That fact that it is enjoyable is great and is meant to encourage people to have children. if you accept that than one is entitled to say that homosexual sex acts are unnatural and in the case of the male act are likely to spread nasty diseases. It can't be medically safe to insert one's male member into someones else's rectum with all the bacteria that lives there.

If people feel the need to do that sort of thing than as far as I am concerned that is their own affair as long as they keep it to themselves instead of having to shout about it and have parades etc. I don't think they deserve any special privileges however and that it is not right that they can adopt children. As Chip says, heterosexual marriage is the natural and best way to bring up children and I regret that it is not being encouraged by this government.

Ted Maul, I wonder why you have to resort to that. I don't accept as you said that I am an idiot for my personal beliefs any more than I would accuse you of that either.

Les

 

More evidence that the argument has been lost.

 

Hang on lets see reason people...................

Two **** bandito's can't make children, no matter how much fudge they pack, so why should they look after children..... feckin freaks......