From what Simon said though, he had e-mails complaining about the thread - I don't think he can be critised for locking it.

Just because there has been threads before about speeding it doesn't mean it's always OK. Perhaps the board has some new members who take offence easier.

The thread didn't bother me and I'm surprised anyone felt so strongly that they had to e-mail in to complain, but then that's what makes a community - lots of different people with different ideas and values.

Richard.

 

Guys,

I had recieved an email complaining about the thread. Made a comment on the thread. I then had further emails sent to me, complaining......for which I was going to re-visit the thread.

The trouble is that kind of thread could of escalated into showing another side of the Subaru community, that would of been unjust to a majority of the members.

Certain people may not worry what others think of them, but the majority of this community would rather not be tarred with that kind of brush.

On the whole the Scoobynet community has a very respected attitude. It would be a pity to tarnish that with posts concerning such things, however innocent it make seem at the time.

Regards,
Shaun.



[Edited by Shaun - 10/24/2001 2:11:55 PM]

 

Shaun,

As you are the RS mod bloke. Why did people e-mail you and if they were RS types then why don't they keep their noses out (if they wern't RS types then no offence).

Ian

 

Ian,

I hope that comment was in jest?

As far as I am concerned WE ARE ALL part of the community. As SDB has said before, this is here and driven by the customers, which means ALL OF US.

Regards,
Shaun.

 

Shaun,

Nice to read the piece on your public access web site about your 150mph race on the M69 with a BMW.

Ian

 

Ian,

Are you REALLY trying to compare a public bbs, with a "private" site ???

Shaun is entitled to write whatever he wants on his own site, and he's obviously prepared to accept any concequences, if any. It's rare that I agree with Shaun on anything , but in this case, why should I, or any other member of this comunity, be perceived as being some a*sehole, just because of a minority, that are.

Mark.

 

R,

It's called free speech and the ability to have your own opinion with out censorship.

For those people that want to talk about top speed on track great that is what this forum is all about and I do agree that those who do those kind of speeds on the public road need catching. In your words they may be @rseholes but to close the thread was way, way over the top.

And Shauns site is public cos the public have access to it like they do here.

Ian

edited cos I still cant spol

[Edited by ian_sadler - 10/24/2001 4:22:26 PM]

 

Would any of the 'Community' who e-mailed to complain care to air their views here?

 

Ian,

You have made the EXACT REASON why, in your own statement.

My website is MY website and ONLY I am accountable for it's content.

Scoobynet is provided by SDB, for the members. What can be said on Scoobynet can effect all of it's members and ultimatley SDB. A lot of time and money has been spent by SDB (and others) in making this what it is. It is ultimatley a FREE resource to the community. It would be helpful if we could all give it the respect it deserves.

Regards,
Shaun.

 

For my two 'penneth, I've got to say that I agree with the "free speech" side of the arguement, and it's worth considering that closing this post didn't just stop people bragging about their cars, it also gagged anyone who wanted to respond in a negative way.

There's a lot of hyporcrisy in the current attempts to make speeding as anti-social as drink driving and I think a fair percentage of the people on this board will have tested a car's limits at one time or another - I'd challenge most anyone's claim that they've never exceeded a speed limit. So what's wrong with talking about it?

On a lighter note, at least we know how to silence the nuisance element - simply post "I did 160 through Leeds town centre - anyone beat that?" in response to their "muppet" posts - that'll get 'em shut down

Dean

{edited due to my fumbly fingers}


[Edited by Beemer_Deano - 10/24/2001 4:33:58 PM]

 

For God's sake people, let's be realistic. Do you really expect to be allowed to talk about the top speed of your car, even if it was achieved in a totally safe and legal environment (such as an airfield, track, empty autobahn or the nurburgring etc)? What fools you are, to imagine that travelling at high speed would ever be considered a reasonable topic for discussion.

You know what, I can't imagine how Richard Noble was ever allowed to go for the speed record with Thrust SSC. I mean come on, what if it had flipped then killed the pilot - his girlfriend and family would have been heartbroken! Speed for its own sake is clearly immoral.

Any case of people driving well over 70mph must obviously be assumed to have taken place on British public roads. The principle of innocent until proven guilty must be suspended in this case. So what if the people claiming to have done 15mph over the "official" top speed of a scoob did so on airfields or public roads or autobahns where the authorities were not spineless enough to ban speeds in excess of that safely achieved by a 1960s Ford Anglia. The fact remains, anything interesting relating to fast cars is offensive, obnoxious, and wrong.

I hereby propose that all discussion of rallying, motorsport, F1, drag racing, Touring cars etc be banned on this forum, because all of them have resulted in loss of life, and can only be interpreted as encouraging speed, and even if we come out with the usual disclaimers, it is only a matter of time before scoobynet gets shut down by lawsuits. Ok so we have realised this before BBC, ITV and C4 who happily continue to broadcast dangerous motorsport events, but they are taking insane risks whereas we must guard against any eventuality and thus lock topics like this.

I hope you all understand.

 

Sorry wrong button

[Edited by ian_sadler - 10/24/2001 4:45:00 PM]

 

I think the thread in question went beyond the simple free speech and talking about the performance of our cars point. When people are bragging here (instead of in the pub) about doing 150mph plus on the public highway, how can anyone not see that this will reflect badly on Scoobynet and its members? Anyone caught doing these speeds is very likely to go to prison.

I have done some very stupid things behind the wheel of a car in my time, but I wouldn't start detailing those things here.

 

Shaun,

I have used the bbs regularly since I got my scoob and do activily support it. In fact I still owe the famous mr SDB some money. Which he will get as soon as he lets me know when & where. And I'm still looking forward to the Scoobynet RallyX next year.

BUT it still comes down to the fact that a few narrow minded individuals can close a down a valid (but crap) thread.

Thats what bugs me.

If it starts here where will it end.

You can't have been offended as you publicise excess speed. I wasn't cos I'm not that petty and the MAJORITY of people in this thread are anti lock.

Don't really want to start a war but I am enjoying the discourse.

Ian

And yes I still cant spol

 

Matt d,

You put it so much better than me.

Ian

 

woohhoooo

your all muppets!!!!!

oh my god, pram over, toys everywhere.

if you don't like the idea of Scoobynet being moderated, why not set up your own BBS?

Thought so.

 

Hi Matt N,

Don't have a problem with moderation. The bbs needs to be protected from libellous & slanderous posts.

But we don't need protecting from people who like to say how fast their pride & joy will go (on the track of course ).

Ian

 

I have a Lambo Diablo - but have never driven it over 70mph because that would be wrong whatever the circumstances.
I will be replacing it with a (restricted) Smart shortly just incase my foot slips one day and I experience the curvature of the earth.......

 

Let me get this straight - if a few people complain about something, it should be banned? Good god, I'm glad this BBS didn't exist in 1938, the 50s, the 60s, the 70s...and so on.

Why is driving at 150mph inherently dangerous? I don't recall the thread being named "how fast have you driven on the public road in the UK, excluding the Isle of Man"?

How come the threads about scoobs being crashed, or people suffering lift-off oversteer haven't been locked? They are far more dangerous than doing 150mph at Bruntinhthorpe.

As for the argument that something/someone might appear on the road at any minute, no offence but that is pure nonsense. The same argument would have everyone doing 15mph on the motorway in case some nutter ran out in front of us. Fact is, German autobahns are amongst the safest roads in the world. What fatuous toss to say that speed kills, given the evidence from our German cousins who regularly exceeed 100mph.

Sorry if this has offended anyyone, but this thread is full of mindless offensive generalisations towards anyone who has tested their car's top speed in a safe environment. The attitude that discussion should be banned because it is not safe, conventional discussion, is one of the most dangerous ideas I've ever encountered (and sadly, one which has prevailed from ancient times to the present day). I am saddened to find that the moderators of scoobynet share the same views on freedom of speech as such luminaries as Saddam Hussein, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler et al.

 

MattN,

LOL, if YOU don't like the idea of people who don't like the idea of Scoobynet being moderated posting about how they don't like it being moderated, why not set up YOUR own BBS?



Dean

 

matt d,

If the thread had been titled "Is it safe to travel at 150mph on mainland Britain?" then it probably wouldn't have been locked, provided the ensuing discussion was sensible. There is a difference between a discussion about performance and boasting about achieving top speeds on the public highway that Joe Public (regardless of what you and I think) would consider to be unacceptably reckless and dangerous.

To label the moderators here as being as like Stalin, Hitler etc is downright offensive.

[Edited by Jerome - 10/24/2001 5:16:45 PM]

 

Whoooaaah.

OK, I agree that censorship is a dangerous thing, (from small acorns etc.) but I can see why people may feel the need to censor without strictly agreeing with the reasons why. Comparing Scoobynet moderators to fascist dictators is a little extreme, don't you think?

If you wan't to blame anyone, blame the nanny state and (even worse) the press for causing societies oversensitivity to anything that's not 100% {wags fingers} PC {wags 'em again}.

Off my soapbox.

Dean

 

I think Godwin's Law has just been invoked ...

 

Mr Evil,

Godwin????????????????????????

Ian

 

Strange how all of a sudden, people are starting to use some COMMON SENSE, and talk about top speeds attained in a "LEGAL enviroment" !!!!!

NO ONE would start closing threads if the contents were put into the right context, but some people are so bl*ody THICK, that they simply think this is just about "free speech".

As for stupid bl*ody comments about free speech and Adolf Hitler, I suspect that if Hitler had been "moderated", we would have avoided WW2, and many millions of deaths.

Mark.

 

A fair point put in your inimitable style Matt!! A 50/50 call this one imo.The forum isn't here to offend,and someone got offended.Personally,I agree with you,but someone has to make a decision if it gets cose to the bone.

 

Can we pre-emptively censor any posts by pslewis due to the high degree of probability that I'll be offended by his opinions?

oops forgot the wink

[Edited by AlexM - 10/24/2001 5:40:22 PM]

 

Ian,

As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving ***** or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the ***** has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

 

Mr. Evil,

ROFLMAO,

Nice one!

Dean

 

As has been said above, you have a choice - use ScoobyNet or don't use ScoobyNet. If you use it to express views, swap info, chat etc you should accept that the owners of the board reserve the right to moderate it as they see fit.
They have advertisers and reputation to think about.

Why do people always get upset about locked threads?
If somebody wrote f*ck off on the boot of your car, you'd probably want to rub it off. Same story with moderation.