J4CKO

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I think we have just about cut through all the hype and now have a pretty reasonable impression of the VRS, I do plan to get one, I could for 12 grand get something a lot faster but I think the economy will win me over, will run it in then do the remap, filter and the other little bits, even if it isnt a giant killer 180 bhp is still not to shabby, plus I will remove the VRS badging and replace it with classic or something seeing as the VRS is now fairly well known.

It is quite impressive to see that a 330i BMW didnt feel all that quick after a chipped VRS, it is quicker but I have heard that before that the BM's are so smooth, linear and drama free that they feel a bit underwhelming, I havent driven a 330 to comment but I can certainly comment that the 320 six cylinder I drove felt gutless in the extreme.

Josh_PoloGTi

No doubt the 330 CI would have left it for dead over 100, but honestly, on our roads, what use is that?

The beemer was very smooth, maybe that was it, but to be fair, I've had a tussle with one before and granted, I couldn't get past him, but I did a good job of keeping up.

A different car, but the 2.9 VR6 Corrado is almost exactly matched from a standing start and the VRS obliterates it while rolling (for example side by side at 50, Corrado in 3rd, VRS in 5th... beep beep beep nail it... Bye bye Corrado LOL). That was my mate in the 'raddo and he was well impressed.

I don't think I'd have bought the car if I couldn't have remapped it, as nowadays 130bhp is next to useless in a heavy motor.

I assume your comment about buying something faster for £12k would be getting something used? I still can't find anything for Fabia money NEW that comes close. I paid £12125 for mine with Metallic Paint, Cruise Control, Xenon Headlamps and a 3rd Rear Headrest from a Skoda Dealer after a lot of negotiation.

Edited to add:

I can see why I wasn't massively inspired by the Beemer after checking the stats.

BMW 330 CI M Sport:
0-62: 6.5s
50-75 in 4th: 6.9s
231 bhp / 221 lbft
Combined Fuel: 31 mpg
Weight: 1505kg
List Price (new): £32,525

My Skoda Fabia vRS:
0-60: 6.7s
50-75 in 4th: c.5s
190 bhp / 280 lbft
Combined Fuel: c.45 mpg
Weight: 1350 kg
Price (new): £12125
Remap: £550
Suspension: £950
Wheels and Tyres: £650
Brakes: £200
Strut Braces: £100
Total: £14575

I realise the BMW is beautifully built, looks fantastic and handles really well out of the box, but I couldn't afford a new one and to be fair, I can't really see the point when I'm happy with my Eastern European brick! LOL

Rabid

Some funny comments here, especially about defending 'my BMW, a lease car that goes back shortly.

What I've been saying is that some Furby drivers seem to live a dreamworld.

Taking the figures from what car

Fabia VRS

0-60 mph (secs)


9.6
Max speed (mph)
126


BMW 320D

0-60 mph (secs)8.3Max speed (mph) 140

I'm finding it hard to follow in which way the BMW isn't faster, on paper at least.

Then on to the 'real world', we have an ex REVO'd furby owner who is now a user/chooser of a 320D. Sat on a dual carriageway a VRS tries to out accelerate the 320D and fails.


That's it end of story.

Fabioso

So from this discussion so far we seem to be getting a picture developing :-

• The people who own Fabia vRS seem to like them for what they cost

• Rabid thinks everyone that still owns one thinks its a giant killing rocket ship

• It can't beat a remapped BMW..........but might be able to keep up with a standard one if the Furby was remapped (according to Rabid)

This is just priceless information......................

I was kind of waitiing for all the ex-scooby owners turned vRS owners to come on here and claim the rocket ship potential of their latest purchase but sadly this hasn't happened

Rabid

"Once chipped it is a quick car. A bugeye scooby is a quick car - and you freely admit it humbles them."

"Modded, real world, in-gear its quick........."

" swear on the motorway in-gear my remapped fabia would not be far behind at all my Integra to well over 100"

"He obviously wernt trying! 320D's are ugly slow and almost twice the price of a vRS, Oh yeah and they're a BMW! And no I don't think my vRS can beat most things, But I know it can muller 320D's, seems most BMW drivers don't like there *** being handed to them by a skoda LOL! "


Just a few examples of deluded Fabia VRS rocket ship owners on this thread. Next time try reading your own comments and those of others maybe?
I've had one for over 10K miles- it really wasn't that quick.

MooseRacer

The people who own Fabia vRS seem to like them for what they cost

Indeed I do/did, as I believe does Rabid.

What he and I don't have is any ridiculous ideas about what they actually are and aren't.

mg driver

why on earth is a fabia vrs 1350 kg's ? blimey that gives it a power to weight ratio of........................... wait for it ...........................96 BHP/TON
no wonder its a giant slayer ,lets face it the average hatch like a ctr or clio sport has a power to weight of over 160 bhp/ton,diesel fabia my butt
the letstorque bhp site has the weight at 1250 kg's and it still only does the 1/4 mile in a positively useless 18+seconds .
Diesels just cant cut it on track,one time i was at pod there was a golf tdi 150 modded to 220 bhp and 300+lb ft and he could barely scrape under 16 seconds ,problem was to much torque making traction impossible and a 4500 rev limit that meant he was in 3rd even to reach 60 mph and having to go for 4th at 70 ish,some petrol cars pull 70 in 2nd and 100 in 3rd so its easy to see why diesels suck.

beeftech

I can't see any of the comments above as deluded! I don't see why you have to bang on about how vRS owners are deluded! I have clearly said I know my car aint superquick, but on the occasions when I have raced a 320d I left it in my soot cloud!

On Paper vRS's may seem a bit cack, but most Std vRS are about 140-145bhp as confirmed by several RR days, plus they weigh a good 100-150Kg less than a 3 series, so the P2W ratio is about the same!

The 0-60 figure skoda quotes must be 4up with luggage 'cos in a recent Autocar test they recoreded a 0-60 in about 8.4 secs

I have no doubt that 6th gear in the 3 series is taller the the fabia and hence it'll have a higher top end, but upto a hundred I doubt the BMW would be a clear winner

Lastnight I had a play with a Seat Altea 140TDi, now that was quick! I think it was chipped though, due to the huge cloud of black soot that came out the bcak when he booted it!!!

Anyway I can't believe all this "Fabia vRS drivers think they're cars are rocketship cr@p and delusions of grandeur" from someone who chooses to drive the ****'s car of choice, Normally ain't it BMW drivers that think they have the worlds fastest vehicle and believe that all other cars are inferior???

beeftech

thats why i have a std quater time of 15.9@87mph 18 seconds my @ss! as you have correctly stated though they are a git to quarter, too many gear changes and a narrow power band mean it is not easy to get a quick time and is more down to technique than relying on outright power

oh yeah and if diesels cannot cut it on a track why have audi just trounced everyone in the sebring 12hour endurance race with they're v10 diesel race car!!!

diesels to not suck my friend, they just have no top end

logiclee

Nope, unless it's something really special most diesels are crap at track times, 1/4 miles, 0-60 challenges, etc, etc.

What they do tend to be good at is driving on the road where you have lots of torque available at the low rpm that most people drive at.

I get to drive fleet Mondeo's a lot and the TDCi is a lot better on road drive than the V6 although the V6 would destroy the TDCi on paper.

Skoda list the vRS Fabia at 1315kg, it's mainly due to the old 1.9TD being a very old design and made from cast iron. A great big Mondeo with a 2.0TDCi twin cam 16V block is only 150kg heavier.
As we have already established in standard form the vRS only has the performance of most modern 1.9/2.0 diesel hatchbacks.

Cheers
Lee

mg driver

you cant compare a race spec audi track car to your average diesel ,the only thing they have in common is 4 wheels,i know the advantages of diesel i had a golf gti tdi pd 150 ,in gear it was quicker than my classic scooby but cog the scooby down a gear and it was bye bye diesel.

beeftech

I'm not comparing them! You said Diesels Suck and were no good on the track! Well on the Track Audi's diesel was best and so does not suck!

I'm not suprised a Scooby will beat a PD150 if you drop it a cog, but 6th gear rolling from 50mph think the impreza will be left behind!!!

mg driver

yep i agree but the point is ,no one races by using in gear acceleration ,you drop cogs and press the loud pedal ,hence diesels struggling on track cause you cant go round in 4th relying on torque

matchmaker

Depends on the track - a remapped Fabia on a tight twisty circuit like Knockhill can surprise supposedly faster cars

logiclee

So the best bet then would be to buy a high revving lightweight petrol car for the track and a modern, comfortable, economical, refined, turbo diesel for road use with plenty of torque for overtaking etc.

Glad I did that then.

Cheers
Lee

mg driver

yes thats the ideal , but if you could only afford one car like most folks which would you take,ive been there and done it and impressed as i was with the golf i only had it 6 months from brand new.Cars like the new astra 888 200 diesel could be the mould breakers in some respects.

Rabid

That's normally the stereotype, what we have here are some Fabia VRS owners doing the same thing. I've had a Fabia VRS and thus have no axe to grind, I now have a 320D in it's last days of ownership and all I can tell you is what I know- namely the Fabia was slower in every way you care to mention.
Acceleration, braking, cornering speed, top speed, maybe you people still in them should be pleased it can even compete?
What makes me laugh is the delusion factor- you *****.

logiclee

So what's next?

logiclee

I think the widest group that comment could be aimed at is low end (Usually debaged) 3 Series owners.

Cheers
Lee

J4CKO

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This thread is turning into something worthy of Saxo Boy !

MooseRacer

I blame you - inflammatory thread title

Fabioso

Mmmmm now lets see "Deluded or rocketship"

Nope I'm not seeing either of those themes in the comments you've pasted there. So I don't think next time I'll be re-reading my posts as there really is no need to. You can re-read them if you like though, just so you are clear exactly what a modded vRS can do and given the congestion in the average road journey in this neck of the woods, how much fun it can be.

Of course resulting to insults and name calling is a great way to really emphasize your ability to add to the discussion. I'm really looking forward to your next post, I think everyone can do with a bit more laughter

logiclee

Rabid

Glad to hear you're hanging on my every word, stay around and I might throw you some more scraps like the mangy dog you are.

A deluded VRS rocketship owner who has a remapped VRS that's as fast as an Integra Type R. It isn't.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Ah f*ck it, going to get the Saab chipped and sod the petrol, no need for delusions, 12 grand buys a lot of fuel/driveshafts/clutches/tyres etc !

Fabioso

Nope not hanging on your every word, just laughing at each post.

Rabid

Not as funny as deluded Fabia owners that think their cars are rocket ships though......

taffyboyo

Rabid, I soppose after you've changed the 320d you will let all the other 320d owners what THEY think aswell

Rabid

They already know, it's faster than a Fabia VRS

occyvrs

well since when my occy rs was standerd it could easy tallgate a integra type r over a 1 mile dual bit of road so a revod furby with touching 180 and shed loads more torque i can't see it being a problem with it just over takeing one with a bit more road on hand!!!