davyboy

Just random times on a random website by random people.

Senior_AP

Do you own a scoob?

AudiLover

Who cares about rallying. None of us would take a VXR rallying and hardly any people here take their scoobs rallying.

davyboy

AudiLover

I'll post the official sport auto list. But many of them check out. On that full list I posted some of the cars feature more than once via video evidence etc and when we find another reliable time we just add it on.

Also it depends on the conditions at the time such as weather traffic etc.

Gutmann pug

Put your scoob round a rally stage and see how nice and battered it is after too ......

Mr Bat

It isn't actually faster than the STI on the ring.

Gutmann pug

OK so its just not possible that this car posted this lap time ...... as it would be toooo close to the STi and probably a good few seconds quicker than a WRX ......

As long as we have that straight its fine

alloy

So Gutmann would you buy an Astra VXR over an Impreza STi for a track car? Also which would you buy for a road car?

davyboy

Yep, the sport auto list is the best of it's kind.

But yeah, so many factors to take in to account.

Tripple'O G

**** sakes fella.......Use your eyes!

The impreza was out in to production because it had to be to enter the Rally's.....so as i've said they might not all be group N's but the breeding is still there. They were not built as track cars........if you wanna track car then buy one....

Yes I do own a subaru.....thats why i'm on SN
I'm not a plastic like some of you on here.....

AudiLover

SportAuto, Nürburgring (Nordschleife, Official times):

Porsche Carrera GT ------------------------------------- 7.32 min
Porsche GTR 600 Gemballa ---------------------------- 7.32,52 min
Koenigsegg CCR --------------------------- 7.34 min Swedish power
Porsche 911 Techart GT (620hp) ---------------------- 7.43 min
Pagani Zonda S ----------------------------------------- 7.44 min
Porsche 911 GT2 (462hp) ------------------------------ 7.46 min
Porsche GT3 RS ----------------------------------------- 7.47 min
Lamborghini Murciélago -------------------------------- 7.50 min
BMW M3 CSL -------------------------------------------- 7.50 min
Ford GT -------------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Lamborghini Gallardo ----------------------------------- 7.52 min
Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Porsche 911 GT3 (2003) ------------------------------- 7.54 min
Mercedes CLK-DTM ------------------------------------- 7.54 min
Ferrari F430 ------------------------------------------- 7.55 min
Porsche 911 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 7.56 min
Ferrari 360 CS ------------------------------------------- 7.56 min
Lotec-Porsche 993 BiTurbo (1998) --------------------- 7.57 min
Porsche 911 GT3 (old) ---------------------------------- 8.03 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage --------------------------------- 8.03 min (R-tires)
Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 8.04 min
Porsche Carrera S (997) -------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 8.07 min
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Ferrari 360M --------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Honda NSX-R -------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Lamborghini Diablo SV ---------------------------------- 8.09 min
Viper GTS (1997) ---------------------------------------- 8.10 min
Donkervoort D8 180R ----------------------------------- 8.10 min
Mercedes SL 55 ------------------------------------------ 8.12 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage ------------------------------ 8.13 min (without R-tires)
BMW M5 E60 --------------------------------------------- 8.13 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 8.13 min
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ---------------------------------- 8.13 min
Mercedes SL 65 ------------------------------------------ 8.14 min
Corvette C6 ---------------------------------------------- 8.15 min
Z4 Alpina Roadster S------------------------------------- 8.15 min
Z4 V8 Topster -------------------------------------------- 8.16 min
Aston Martin DB9 ----------------------------------------- 8.16 min
AC Schnitzer-BMW CLS II (E36) ------------------------- 8.16 min
Aston Martin Vanquish ----------------------------------- 8.17 min
Maserati GranSport ------------------------------------- 8.18 min
Ferrari F355----------------------------------------------- 8.18 min
BMW Z8 --------------------------------------------------- 8.18 min
Corvette C5 Com. Edition -------------------------------- 8.18 min
Audi RS6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.20 min
BMW M3 E46 ---------------------------------------------- 8.22 min
Mercedes C55 --------------------------------------------- 8.22 min
BMW Z3M Coupé ------------------------------------------ 8.22 min
Mercedes SLK 55 ------------------------------------------ 8.24 min
Subaru Impreza WRX STi (265hp) ----------------------- 8.24 min
Audi RS4 (old) --------------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Mitsubishi EVO7 -------------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Nissan 350Z ------------------------------------------------ 8.26 min
Mercedes SLK 32 ------------------------------------------- 8.26 min
BMW M5 E39 ------------------------------------------------ 8.28 min
Audi S4 Avant (new) ---------------------------------------- 8.29 min
Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa ------------------------------ 8.30 min
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (231hp) --------------------------------- 8.32 min
BMW Z3M Roadster ---------------------------------------- 8.32 min
Lotus Exige -------------------------------------------------- 8.32 min
Porsche Boxster S (252 hp) -------------------------------- 8.32 min
Opel Speedster --------------------------------------------- 8.34 min
Brabus-Mercedes C V8 Sportcoupé ------------------------ 8.35 min
Mercedes C32 ---------------------------------------------- 8.37 min
Golf R32 ----------------------------------------------------- 8.37 min
Subaru Impreza GT (218hp) ------------------------------- 8.37 min
Maserati 3200 GT ------------------------------------------- 8.37 min
Mercedes SL 500 -------------------------------------------- 8.38 min
Brabus-Mercedes CLK 5.8 (1998) -------------------------- 8.38 min
Morgan Aero 8 ----------------------------------------------- 8.39 min
Honda S2000 ------------------------------------------------ 8.39 min
Audi S3 (1999) ---------------------------------------------- 8.41 min
Audi S4 (old) ------------------------------------------------ 8.42 min
Honda Civic Type-R ----------------------------------------- 8.47 min
Renault Clio Sport V6 (226hp) ----------------------------- 8.49 min
Audi TT 1.8T quattro ---------------------------------------- 8.49 min
Jaguar XKR (1998) ------------------------------------------ 8.49 min
Alfa 156 GTA ------------------------------------------------- 8.51 min
Mercedes C43 AMG ------------------------------------------ 8.51 min
Golf GTI DSG (200hp) --------------------------------------- 8.52 min
Golf GTI 1.8T ------------------------------------------------ 8.54 min
Mini Cooper S Works ---------------------------------------- 8.55 min
Mercedes SLK 230 (2001) ----------------------------------- 9.07 min

Senior_AP

Good spot!!

Tripple'O G

I wouldn't take my car round a rally stage numb-nuts, i'm saying to compare the two cars fairly.......on a rally stage and then on a track.......

VXRBOY

Can i just say that the VXR was standard, the list is accurate. Also nothing new the VXR driven way before its launch did 8.35 round the ring. And to those who say that it is at its limits already, that it is not. A few people have got theirs running at 300bhp. Torque steer is overplayed, and i thought the comment that the Subaru was a rally car so would be slower on a track was laughable, since in the past many many people have said oh the VXR might be quicker but not in the twisties, well you can't have it both ways, Both cars were designed for the road.

Senior_AP

Apologies, I was referring to the car it is in competition with - WRX.

As for the times, they seem accurate. I can ge round in 8:56 BTG in an old French ****box and I've only done 55 laps. A friend in a similar ****box did and 8:38.

AudiLover

The VXR is Wrong wheel drive. If it does a 8:30 stock i'll eat my socks.

Tripple'O G

I never said it be slower on the track, I said impreza's are in their element on a rally........so it's a road car.......it'll still be beaten A-B......

And how much are these mods to get it to 300bhp??

AudiLover

Proabably a small fortune.

Senior_AP

If a 306 GTi6 (standard engine, coilovers and stripped)) can do an 8:38 (with a driver that can do ALOT more) I'm sure a VXR can do an 8:30 driven by someone capable.

Eat your socks.

Buckrogers

What if it was raining on track....

Gutmann pug

I wouldnt buy either of the heavy lumps of lard for a track car ....... If I was pushed I would try a VXR simply because ive tried a scoob. It ate brakes, it ate tyres, it ate fuel and it ate a couple of other parts which I would rather not discuss on here.....

As a road car I would certainly have a VXR over a WRX but then I would have a £350 shunter over both of them.......

Mr Bat

Time seems a bit quick, considering it’s heavy, understeers and has pretty poor brakes. Oh that sounds like an Impreza !

Gutmann pug

where do you get that from? Not a full lap I know ..... The sport Auto laps will be full not btg

davyboy

But neither cars are rally cars.

But on a tarmac rally stage i'd expect the result to be the same.

Tripple'O G

The impreza isn't a rally car?

Gutmann pug

Can we ignore rally stages and road driving please...........

I posted this thread to show a VXR doing its stuff on track. Much has been said about this car over the last couple of months as to its abilities or non abilities on the road......

I wanted to post a video of it on track showing just how good it was as a track day car and I think this video probably shows that?

The time if correct is pretty special for a front wheel drive car with that power.

I for one am impressed.

Gary

davyboy

I had a WRX and it was a nice road car, air con, electric windows....sounds like a road car to me. Just slow.

alloy

I think we all agree that it is a pucka time for a FWD Vauxhall, the problem is very few people would purchase this car for track use it is more likely going to be purchased by road users with an inkling to track time, which is best is dependent on their criteria for a car, both of the markets for which the STi and VXR sit are performance ones. with repect to track cars i am unaware of many track cars that have remained as they did when they left the factory! In that respect the Impreza is a better buy

Dracoro

And the impreza and audi quattros are too-many-wheel-drive

RWD is best and you all know it