There is no GOD, get over it.
13 March 2006, 03:02 PM
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To expand there has to be somewhere for it to expand into. That somewhere exists as another space no matter what it is made up of, it is still a space.
I think wikipedia is a good starting point for such subjects and it usually points you in the direction of further reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
13 March 2006, 03:07 PM
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I've always found Al Pancino's little speech in The Devils Advocate, about God being an absentee landlord, rather fitting for some reason.
Let's take Katrina as an example. All those people killed, a city destroyed. We'll overlook the fact that the government could have done a little more beforehand and just after, anyway. If there was a God, why would they have let something like that happen? Why not intervene? I'm sure some relegious type will no dobut have some good answer for that one, however, as mentioned above, absentee landlord does have a nice ring to it.
Maybe someone up there is watching their little experiment (it's probably the mice, never trust mice
) and laughing at the apes running around like loons.
Did we evolve, yeah, I think we did, well, some of us did. As for those dismissing reincarnation, well, where did the american population come from, if it was not punishment for something you did in a previous life
I believe there could be *something* out there, what, I don't know. Probably a space dog or something like that
Compared to the universe, we are very very young and know a tiny amount about the universe, hell, we still work within the laws of physics of this single planet, we might yet find that things work differently on other planets and this could open up fantasic new discoveries.
It's better to have an idea rather than a belief. You can change an idea, changing a belief is tricker - Rufus
Let's take Katrina as an example. All those people killed, a city destroyed. We'll overlook the fact that the government could have done a little more beforehand and just after, anyway. If there was a God, why would they have let something like that happen? Why not intervene? I'm sure some relegious type will no dobut have some good answer for that one, however, as mentioned above, absentee landlord does have a nice ring to it.
Maybe someone up there is watching their little experiment (it's probably the mice, never trust mice
) and laughing at the apes running around like loons.Did we evolve, yeah, I think we did, well, some of us did. As for those dismissing reincarnation, well, where did the american population come from, if it was not punishment for something you did in a previous life
I believe there could be *something* out there, what, I don't know. Probably a space dog or something like that
Compared to the universe, we are very very young and know a tiny amount about the universe, hell, we still work within the laws of physics of this single planet, we might yet find that things work differently on other planets and this could open up fantasic new discoveries.
It's better to have an idea rather than a belief. You can change an idea, changing a belief is tricker - Rufus
13 March 2006, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Markus
It's better to have an idea rather than a belief. You can change an idea, changing a belief is tricker - Rufus
13 March 2006, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by King RA
Has anybody heard of the term 'intelligent design'?? Basically where this article was talking about the eye being built up over time from a slightly inferior eye, the intelligent design theory can dismiss this.
Basically there is an organism in out cells called the flagella virus, or something like that. It gets around with an outboard motor type device. Now this outboard motor is made up of some 15 parts which are all NECESSARY for this motor to work. Now how can something like this develop when all the parts are necessary, yet if 1 was missing then the whole thing would not work and cause no function, no function means darwins theory would not work, this useless device would not be kept to develop into an outboard motor.
The complexity of the human body point towards design, not luck or chance but a specific plan.
Basically there is an organism in out cells called the flagella virus, or something like that. It gets around with an outboard motor type device. Now this outboard motor is made up of some 15 parts which are all NECESSARY for this motor to work. Now how can something like this develop when all the parts are necessary, yet if 1 was missing then the whole thing would not work and cause no function, no function means darwins theory would not work, this useless device would not be kept to develop into an outboard motor.
The complexity of the human body point towards design, not luck or chance but a specific plan.
13 March 2006, 03:47 PM
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Shame this forum doesn't support sigs - can I pinch this for another forum?
13 March 2006, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Euuuhh - sloppy seconds
It is known that there is an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.
13 March 2006, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Markus
Let's take Katrina as an example. All those people killed, a city destroyed. We'll overlook the fact that the government could have done a little more beforehand and just after, anyway. If there was a God, why would they have let something like that happen? Why not intervene? I'm sure some relegious type will no dobut have some good answer for that one, however, as mentioned above, absentee landlord does have a nice ring to it.
13 March 2006, 04:37 PM
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I greatly admire those of you who state, with absolute conviction, that there is no God. Well, those of you who manage to do so with a coherent argument, anyway, as opposed to the normal illiterate drivel we see in threads like this.
Yes, I admire you indeed, for your faith is at least as strong as mine.
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Yes, I admire you indeed, for your faith is at least as strong as mine.
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Oh, and while we're arguing semantics, God hasn't started a single war or engaged in any combative action since around the time he cast Satan out of heaven.
Wars and the like have, and sadly still are, fought in the name of religion, not in the name of God. As I have mentioned before, organised religion and God don't necessarily have a particularly close relationship...
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Wars and the like have, and sadly still are, fought in the name of religion, not in the name of God. As I have mentioned before, organised religion and God don't necessarily have a particularly close relationship...
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13 March 2006, 04:40 PM
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There is no good as otherwise in Kenya they wouldnt now have gone without water for 2 years and let all their cattle etc die. Some african nations never have a chance to get themselves out of poverty cause whenever they start doin well something like this happens. No animals and no plants are living in kenya at the moment and yet this so called god does nothing.
People only belive in a god because they and theyre parents etc were inductronated by it at a young age and so grow strrong feelings about it. Just how extremists turn normal muslim men into bombers.
Science has already put together enough evidence to show a god doesnt exist.
People only belive in a god because they and theyre parents etc were inductronated by it at a young age and so grow strrong feelings about it. Just how extremists turn normal muslim men into bombers.
Science has already put together enough evidence to show a god doesnt exist.
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And finally. If we're going to quote "Devil's Advocate" then there is one important thing that always conveniently gets omitted when gainsayers start spouting the "How can God allow this to happen" line.
It's freedom of choice. Our ultimate weapon against evil, unfortunately also equally effective against ourselves if we aren't careful how we use it...
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Oops - MY93WRX got in ahead of me.
But I put it better
It's freedom of choice. Our ultimate weapon against evil, unfortunately also equally effective against ourselves if we aren't careful how we use it...
SB
Oops - MY93WRX got in ahead of me.
But I put it better
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13 March 2006, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sbradley
Yes, I admire you indeed, for your faith is at least as strong as mine.
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SB
Not sure it translates well.
13 March 2006, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
There is no good as otherwise in Kenya they wouldnt now have gone without water for 2 years and let all their cattle etc die. Some african nations never have a chance to get themselves out of poverty cause whenever they start doin well something like this happens. No animals and no plants are living in kenya at the moment and yet this so called god does nothing.
People only belive in a god because they and theyre parents etc were inductronated by it at a young age and so grow strrong feelings about it. Just how extremists turn normal muslim men into bombers.
Science has already put together enough evidence to show a god doesnt exist.
People only belive in a god because they and theyre parents etc were inductronated by it at a young age and so grow strrong feelings about it. Just how extremists turn normal muslim men into bombers.
Science has already put together enough evidence to show a god doesnt exist.
13 March 2006, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MY93WRX
I think you'll find sience hasn't, if there is still parts of science unexplained then there is no absoloute proof, there never will be. You may believe on the evidance you've seen that there is no God but that is not absaloute proof. You also failed to read the retort with regards to Katrina as the same arguement can be applied to every natural disaster. God gave man free will. You can use the same argument you've used on hear to infinity and athers can use the complete oposite arguement to infinity. We will find out when we're dead.
And if there is a god who made him?
There is also alot more evidence to suggest there is no God than there is of him existing. Infact there is no evidence of his existence.
And is your god better than say a muslims god or are they the same people. And why does the bible say non belivers will burn in hell?
13 March 2006, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
No I did read that. So god gave them free will. And gave us free will. But the kenyas arent dieing out of their free will are they. They cant do jack about it and its been like that since weve been taking records.
And if there is a god who made him?
There is also alot more evidence to suggest there is no God than there is of him existing. Infact there is no evidence of his existence.
And is your god better than say a muslims god or are they the same people. And why does the bible say non belivers will burn in hell?
And if there is a god who made him?
There is also alot more evidence to suggest there is no God than there is of him existing. Infact there is no evidence of his existence.
And is your god better than say a muslims god or are they the same people. And why does the bible say non belivers will burn in hell?
Second point you have again missed the meaning of free will. If a God intervined than man no longer has free will or consequence of actions.
Third point who said he was my God, i may just be playing devils advocate with your ignorance.
Fourth point you are mistake in the bibles description/meaning of hell.
The Bible is not at all clear on the severity or the length of the torment in Hell. Many Bible verses indicate that Hell is not eternal torture, and none state that there is eternal torture. If eternal torture were true it would mean that we are to discard some Bible verses. This is forbidden, as all scripture is given by the inspiration of God (2 Tim 3:16, Rev 22:18,19). The Bible also does not say that Hell will be worse than earth is for all people who do not make it to Heaven.There will be a period of torment before eternal death for unbelievers.
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13 March 2006, 05:26 PM
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Religious people are singing from a completely different songsheet. Dont understand something? God did it! No evidence? Have faith! Why does all this **** happen? Free will! Nice pat answers that dont count for much in the real world. As has been pointed out, science answers more and more questions as we advance. Flat Earth and Centre of Universe being obvious examples. How did the big bang happen? Give it some time and you'll get a decent theory, that is testable and predictable. We just dont have the answer right now. To say that because scientists disagree about some point, DOES NOT prove that God did it! Its just madness to suggest that. How many times do religious based "ideas" be shot down in flames before one comes to the conclusion that ITS JUST A STORY compiled 3/4/5 thousand odd years ago by people who thought a wheel was a fantasically wonderful cutting edge invention. Luckily for mankind, most rational people ignored religion and invented things like modern healthcare, transport, methods of feeding vast unimagined populations, exploration of other planets, computers and levels of comfort and comparative riches like which the world has never known. (not saying its all rosy in the garden but lets not knock the positive aspects!). Your just clinging onto an idea that it being torn to pieces day by day so you have to start changing your arguement.
Believe that the Earth is 6500 years old? Come on stand up and be counted, and tell us all why the Bible is an accurate account of the creation of the Earth. Or do you think its not quite accurate? Like not at all? Or maybe you can cherry pick the bits you like. Or how come there are lots of religions with major differences? They must be wrong, and your right. You have faith after all. They're just deluding themselves. Oh the irony.....
Believe that the Earth is 6500 years old? Come on stand up and be counted, and tell us all why the Bible is an accurate account of the creation of the Earth. Or do you think its not quite accurate? Like not at all? Or maybe you can cherry pick the bits you like. Or how come there are lots of religions with major differences? They must be wrong, and your right. You have faith after all. They're just deluding themselves. Oh the irony.....
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13 March 2006, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Religious people are singing from a completely different songsheet. Dont understand something? God did it! No evidence? Have faith! Why does all this **** happen? Free will! Nice pat answers that dont count for much in the real world. As has been pointed out, science answers more and more questions as we advance. Flat Earth and Centre of Universe being obvious examples. How did the big bang happen? Give it some time and you'll get a decent theory, that is testable and predictable. We just dont have the answer right now. To say that because scientists disagree about some point, DOES NOT prove that God did it! Its just madness to suggest that. How many times do religious based "ideas" be shot down in flames before one comes to the conclusion that ITS JUST A STORY compiled 3/4/5 thousand odd years ago by people who thought a wheel was a fantasically wonderful cutting edge invention. Luckily for mankind, most rational people ignored religion and invented things like modern healthcare, transport, methods of feeding vast unimagined populations, exploration of other planets, computers and levels of comfort and comparative riches like which the world has never known. (not saying its all rosy in the garden but lets not knock the positive aspects!)
and as has been said earlier in the thread science will never provide all the answers as when one question is answered it leads to more. Look at Stephen Hawkin, he now says he may have been wrong with his theories of Black holes, but he had all of science convinsed his THEORY was correct,
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What about the role of women in society? Equal partners or scivvies to be seen doing housework and stoned if they go out not fully covered? Is that Gods rule? Certain religions think so. But where did that rule come from? Ah yes, someone who spoke to God and told them that was the case! Oh well thats all right then. I however might kind of doubt that every word that someone speaks who stands to gain an awful lot, and will change the way I lead my life, might actually be true. But then I dont have faith. I do have faith in human nature. I believe that people will lie and cheat to get an advantage. I believe that people will abuse absolute power, and I believe theres a sucker born every minute
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Here is another rational christian.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...rading+spouses
And religion is the root of all eveil. Most wars all started off by religion. Dividies in todays society all from religion aswell.
God cant keep his religion. Funny think is most religious people dont even fiully practice to what they swear so deeply by from their bible.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...rading+spouses
And religion is the root of all eveil. Most wars all started off by religion. Dividies in todays society all from religion aswell.
God cant keep his religion. Funny think is most religious people dont even fiully practice to what they swear so deeply by from their bible.