I told you we were all better off under Labour!!
03 February 2006, 02:03 PM
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03 February 2006, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
This class of trolls seeks to obtain as many responses as possible and to absorb a disproportionate amount of the collective attention span.
- No longer having affiliation to or current knowledge of the subject at hand, yet, continually posting opinions and commentary as "experts".
- Intentionally posting an outrageous argument, deliberately constructed around a fundamental but obfuscated flaw or error. Often the poster will become defensive when the argument is refuted, but may instead continue the thread through the use of further flawed arguments; this is referred to as "feeding" the troll.
- Politically contentious messages: "I think Tony Blair is the best/worst prime minister ever."
03 February 2006, 03:22 PM
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"The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument ad hominem. Likewise, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that may be incorrect"
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"The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument ad hominem. Likewise, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that may be incorrect"
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03 February 2006, 03:23 PM
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57% rise in bankrupcies in the last year it has been announced... Yep the country is doing really great...
03 February 2006, 03:25 PM
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57% rise in bankrupcies in the last year it has been announced... Yep the country is doing really great...
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03 February 2006, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fast bloke
Attention-seeking trolls
This class of trolls seeks to obtain as many responses as possible and to absorb a disproportionate amount of the collective attention span.
This class of trolls seeks to obtain as many responses as possible and to absorb a disproportionate amount of the collective attention span.
- No longer having affiliation to or current knowledge of the subject at hand, yet, continually posting opinions and commentary as "experts".
- Intentionally posting an outrageous argument, deliberately constructed around a fundamental but obfuscated flaw or error. Often the poster will become defensive when the argument is refuted, but may instead continue the thread through the use of further flawed arguments; this is referred to as "feeding" the troll.
- Politically contentious messages: "I think Tony Blair is the best/worst prime minister ever."
03 February 2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Typical NL headline from PSL which signifies nothing because he does not tell the rest of the story.
Purely another specious excuse to start a thread!
Les
Purely another specious excuse to start a thread!
Les
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05 February 2006, 12:44 PM
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So if we look at statistics and take them at face value :
We all earn more than we used to, but actually earn less.
We all have more savings than we used to, but actually have less.
Our houses are worth loads more, but have been repossessed.
We all have secure jobs, but have been made redundant.
We're all financially more stable, but have been declared bankrupt.
This is the problem with stats - you ( and politicians in particular ) can make them say pretty much whatever you want to support the point you are trying to make.
We all earn more than we used to, but actually earn less.
We all have more savings than we used to, but actually have less.
Our houses are worth loads more, but have been repossessed.
We all have secure jobs, but have been made redundant.
We're all financially more stable, but have been declared bankrupt.
This is the problem with stats - you ( and politicians in particular ) can make them say pretty much whatever you want to support the point you are trying to make.
05 February 2006, 12:58 PM
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By better of you must justy mean financially, well i do not feel or indeed seem better off!
I understand Johnny Prescott was - until they caught him fiddling his council tax
I also understand that serious crime is also on the up
It is a postcode lottery for hospital treatment
Sex offenders are able to work in our schools - by that i mean the ones who where in place after the changes brought about because that apparently muisguided and uncaring woman Hewitt had to do so something AFTER the Police and than the media bought it to our attention.
Oh how much beter off i feel now!
I understand Johnny Prescott was - until they caught him fiddling his council tax
I also understand that serious crime is also on the up
It is a postcode lottery for hospital treatment
Sex offenders are able to work in our schools - by that i mean the ones who where in place after the changes brought about because that apparently muisguided and uncaring woman Hewitt had to do so something AFTER the Police and than the media bought it to our attention.
Oh how much beter off i feel now!
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05 February 2006, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
PSL, still cutting and pasting I see.
Can't you actually say something for yourself out of your own head?
Les
Can't you actually say something for yourself out of your own head?
Les
"Lesley you are ***** of the Premier Division of ******"
There we go, I could have cut'n'pasted that quote too - as it's a common one on the internet
Pete
05 February 2006, 01:38 PM
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1. Lowest inflation since the 60s
2. Lowest mortgage rates for 40 years
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage
4. Record police numbers in England and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 30 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double (since 1997) by 2007-08
9. Lowest unemployment for 29 years
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties
TERRIBLE!!!
Pete
2. Lowest mortgage rates for 40 years
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage
4. Record police numbers in England and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 30 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double (since 1997) by 2007-08
9. Lowest unemployment for 29 years
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties
TERRIBLE!!!
Pete
05 February 2006, 01:38 PM
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11. 77,500 more nurses
12. 19,300 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Banned anti-personnel mines
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice at any time
18. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
19. Local government funding has increased by a third in real terms
20. Equalised the age of consent for gay men
AWFUL!!!
Pete
12. 19,300 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Banned anti-personnel mines
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice at any time
18. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
19. Local government funding has increased by a third in real terms
20. Equalised the age of consent for gay men
AWFUL!!!
Pete
05 February 2006, 01:39 PM
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21. Free entry to all national museums and galleries
22. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
23. Restored city-wide government to London
24. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
25. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
26. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
27. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
28. The biggest rolling stock replacement programme ever seen on our railways
29. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
30. Over 28,000 more teachers in England schools
KILL THEM!!!
Pete
22. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
23. Restored city-wide government to London
24. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
25. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
26. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
27. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
28. The biggest rolling stock replacement programme ever seen on our railways
29. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
30. Over 28,000 more teachers in England schools
KILL THEM!!!
Pete
05 February 2006, 01:40 PM
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31. Implemented the Freedom of Information Act
32. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
33. Record rises in the state pension
34. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
35. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
36. Banned handguns
37. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
38. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
39. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school
40. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
OH NOOOOOO IT's REALLY BAD!!!
Pete
32. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
33. Record rises in the state pension
34. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
35. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
36. Banned handguns
37. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
38. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
39. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school
40. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
OH NOOOOOO IT's REALLY BAD!!!
Pete
05 February 2006, 01:41 PM
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41. Record police numbers in Scotland
42. Implemented the Human Rights Act
43. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
44. Free TV licences for over-75s
45. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
46. Halved maximum waiting times for NHS operations
47. Free local bus travel for the over-60s and the disabled in Wales and Scotland
48. Record number of students in higher education
49. Extended the Race Relations Act so that all public bodies and functions now have a duty to promote race equality
50. Five, six and seven-year-olds in class sizes of 30 or less
BRING BACK THE TORIES!!!
Pete
42. Implemented the Human Rights Act
43. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
44. Free TV licences for over-75s
45. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
46. Halved maximum waiting times for NHS operations
47. Free local bus travel for the over-60s and the disabled in Wales and Scotland
48. Record number of students in higher education
49. Extended the Race Relations Act so that all public bodies and functions now have a duty to promote race equality
50. Five, six and seven-year-olds in class sizes of 30 or less
BRING BACK THE TORIES!!!
Pete
05 February 2006, 02:21 PM
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'Extended the Race Relations Act so that all public bodies and functions now have a duty to promote race equality '
Yep the Police really kicked some butt on behalf of the govenrment reagding the 'cartoon' protests!
'Five, six and seven-year-olds in class sizes of 30 or less'
and maybe a sex offender ot two teaching them!
'Halved maximum waiting times for NHS operations'
Moved the goalposts and masaged the figures
Banned handguns
PRICELESS - From where?!?, not the streets and certianly not from the criminals who use them you muppet - just honest people who used to be members of gunclubs. Armed crime down is it?
Equalised the age of consent for gay men
A subject close to your heart
'Cut overall crime by 30 per cent'
Speeding maybe
Gun crime, Assault, murder, robbery, rape - serious crime?
SHOW ME THE MONEY (proof) and have a look at http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?s..._crime_figures
not just NL's spin figures
'Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties'
And fecked over our own disabled people
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?s...20609A&catid=1
'Local government funding has increased by a third in real terms'
My council tax increases around 8-10% per year to pay for this does it not services not getting any better. NBC now laying off staff left right and centre to save money.
Also lied and took us into the war with Iraq under false pretences
Employed dodgy and maybe dishonest politicians in his cabinate, twice in some cases!
Northampton General has a £2m shortfall and has closed several wards and cancelled operations - bad management maybe but the government seems happy for this to happen and the people affected are the same people who pay for the NHS and the service they do not get.
Bored now gonna get a cuppa!
Yep the Police really kicked some butt on behalf of the govenrment reagding the 'cartoon' protests!
'Five, six and seven-year-olds in class sizes of 30 or less'
and maybe a sex offender ot two teaching them!
'Halved maximum waiting times for NHS operations'
Moved the goalposts and masaged the figures
Banned handguns
PRICELESS - From where?!?, not the streets and certianly not from the criminals who use them you muppet - just honest people who used to be members of gunclubs. Armed crime down is it?
Equalised the age of consent for gay men
A subject close to your heart
'Cut overall crime by 30 per cent'
Speeding maybe
Gun crime, Assault, murder, robbery, rape - serious crime?
SHOW ME THE MONEY (proof) and have a look at http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?s..._crime_figures
not just NL's spin figures
'Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties'
And fecked over our own disabled people
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?s...20609A&catid=1
'Local government funding has increased by a third in real terms'
My council tax increases around 8-10% per year to pay for this does it not services not getting any better. NBC now laying off staff left right and centre to save money.
Also lied and took us into the war with Iraq under false pretences
Employed dodgy and maybe dishonest politicians in his cabinate, twice in some cases!
Northampton General has a £2m shortfall and has closed several wards and cancelled operations - bad management maybe but the government seems happy for this to happen and the people affected are the same people who pay for the NHS and the service they do not get.
Bored now gonna get a cuppa!
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05 February 2006, 02:33 PM
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05 February 2006, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
1. Lowest inflation since the 60sCalculated by ignoring house prices, fuel prices, and wages, among others
2. Lowest mortgage rates for 40 years Still higher than Europe
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage Tried to block it, forced on them by EC
4. Record police numbers in England and WalesAnd still serious crime is rising
5. Cut overall crime by 30 per cent Except rape, robbery, handgun, murder assault, and burglary
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools Had to delay publication of maths and english ks3 this year, they were so bad it would have sunk their school so-called reforms
7. Best-ever primary school results Dumbed down tests
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double (since 1997) by 2007-08 announced the same funding increase THREE times, each time adding it on so it looks like three times as much.
9. Lowest unemployment for 29 years Measured by whose figures? Does it count the youth who are "lost" cos they "aren't old enough to be unemployed"? Or those on bull**** courses which they can never finish due to no funding? And watch it rise now the Poles etc are here. Try telling MY lad and his mates about your Lying Labour unemployment, then, after you pick yourself up, you can go to one of the hospitals that MIGHT have space for you
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties Very good....but charity begins at home. Do summat for OUR poor, our REAL umemployed, our pensioners struggling to meet 10% council tax increases year on year, and a probable heating bill increase of over 25% this year alone, after a 3% pension increase....but hey, they only fought for our freedom, what do THEY matter!
TERRIBLE!!! You're right, it fekkin IS...when you see the truth behind the NL spin!
Pete
2. Lowest mortgage rates for 40 years Still higher than Europe
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage Tried to block it, forced on them by EC
4. Record police numbers in England and WalesAnd still serious crime is rising
5. Cut overall crime by 30 per cent Except rape, robbery, handgun, murder assault, and burglary
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools Had to delay publication of maths and english ks3 this year, they were so bad it would have sunk their school so-called reforms
7. Best-ever primary school results Dumbed down tests
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double (since 1997) by 2007-08 announced the same funding increase THREE times, each time adding it on so it looks like three times as much.
9. Lowest unemployment for 29 years Measured by whose figures? Does it count the youth who are "lost" cos they "aren't old enough to be unemployed"? Or those on bull**** courses which they can never finish due to no funding? And watch it rise now the Poles etc are here. Try telling MY lad and his mates about your Lying Labour unemployment, then, after you pick yourself up, you can go to one of the hospitals that MIGHT have space for you
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties Very good....but charity begins at home. Do summat for OUR poor, our REAL umemployed, our pensioners struggling to meet 10% council tax increases year on year, and a probable heating bill increase of over 25% this year alone, after a 3% pension increase....but hey, they only fought for our freedom, what do THEY matter!
TERRIBLE!!!
You're right, it fekkin IS...when you see the truth behind the NL spin!Pete
I'm not even gonna bother with the rest of your lying labour spin, you moron.
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