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03 February 2006, 07:00 PM
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I can't believe I'm about to say this but...
Originally Posted by pslewis
I have always agreed with facts ..........
I do NOT agree with "you get what you pay for" ..... there is value and there is expensive.
And thats what makes me disagree with you, the suggestion by you is that the Oil I use, at £15 for 5 Litres, is rubbish .......................... when it isn't.
It's a damned fine oil and is the same spec that Subaru Recommend - it does what it says on the tin and will protect my engine just as well as an oil costling 3 times as much.
£45 oil may offer 'more' of something - but, I might not want that 'more' whatever it is ................ I don't buy anything I don't need, want or use.
However, the facts we can agree on ................... we can never agree whether expensive oil is worth the premium - you think it is, obviously ... and I don't.
But I will always fight the corner if you ever suggest that COMMA Oil is crap and shouldn't be used in a standard Impreza
You wouldn't expect any less of me, surely?
Pete
I do NOT agree with "you get what you pay for" ..... there is value and there is expensive.
And thats what makes me disagree with you, the suggestion by you is that the Oil I use, at £15 for 5 Litres, is rubbish .......................... when it isn't.
It's a damned fine oil and is the same spec that Subaru Recommend - it does what it says on the tin and will protect my engine just as well as an oil costling 3 times as much.
£45 oil may offer 'more' of something - but, I might not want that 'more' whatever it is ................ I don't buy anything I don't need, want or use.
However, the facts we can agree on ................... we can never agree whether expensive oil is worth the premium - you think it is, obviously ... and I don't.
But I will always fight the corner if you ever suggest that COMMA Oil is crap and shouldn't be used in a standard Impreza
You wouldn't expect any less of me, surely?
Pete
03 February 2006, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cat7
Pete you've started to talk alot of sense, don't know if you've started to argue in a well structured and coherent fashion or if I'm just getting old
03 February 2006, 09:36 PM
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Pete,
I would happily service your car, and your car would receive our fullest attention regardless of what you may post here. It would just pain me to put Comma oil into your car. I might even give you discount after all your consultancy on our service policy
I would happily service your car, and your car would receive our fullest attention regardless of what you may post here. It would just pain me to put Comma oil into your car. I might even give you discount after all your consultancy on our service policy
03 February 2006, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Pete,
I would happily service your car, and your car would receive our fullest attention regardless of what you may post here. It would just pain me to put Comma oil into your car. I might even give you discount after all your consultancy on our service policy
I would happily service your car, and your car would receive our fullest attention regardless of what you may post here. It would just pain me to put Comma oil into your car. I might even give you discount after all your consultancy on our service policy
03 February 2006, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Pete,
I would happily service your car, and your car would receive our fullest attention regardless of what you may post here. It would just pain me to put Comma oil into your car. I might even give you discount after all your consultancy on our service policy
I would happily service your car, and your car would receive our fullest attention regardless of what you may post here. It would just pain me to put Comma oil into your car. I might even give you discount after all your consultancy on our service policy
Discount??
Did I hear Discount??
I can just imagine it, book myself into Zen Performance for next Tuesday, Monday the ScoobyNet network would be working overtime, poor old pslewis awakes to a horses head and arrives to meet the SNMafia!!
I'm quite sure that Zen are an excellent outfit and wouldn't get involved directly in any beating senseless of pslewis, they would just provide the premises
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04 February 2006, 09:43 AM
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STOP PRESS
Northants police were today called to a business premises in Wellingborough to investigate what appeared to be a bizarre religious slaying.
Reports suggest that elderly gentleman Peter Lewis (77) was being attacked by a small group of men using laptops as weapons to batter him with. They were all wearing headphones, the significance of this is yet to be realised.
Upon realisation of police intervention, the group dispersed into a number of 500bhp subaru motor vehicles. Sadly the police helicopters could not keep up. Northants police are in possesion of a highly tuned Subaru impreza but it was serviced at a dealers the day before and unfortunately terminally expired early in the chase.
Police have stated that upon examination of the body, Mr lewis's ***** was attached via wires to a series of green, amber and red lights. again they are currently mystified.
Northants police were today called to a business premises in Wellingborough to investigate what appeared to be a bizarre religious slaying.
Reports suggest that elderly gentleman Peter Lewis (77) was being attacked by a small group of men using laptops as weapons to batter him with. They were all wearing headphones, the significance of this is yet to be realised.
Upon realisation of police intervention, the group dispersed into a number of 500bhp subaru motor vehicles. Sadly the police helicopters could not keep up. Northants police are in possesion of a highly tuned Subaru impreza but it was serviced at a dealers the day before and unfortunately terminally expired early in the chase.
Police have stated that upon examination of the body, Mr lewis's ***** was attached via wires to a series of green, amber and red lights. again they are currently mystified.
04 February 2006, 11:06 AM
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STOP PRESS
Police have stated that upon examination of the body, Mr lewis's ***** was attached via wires to a series of green, amber and red lights. again they are currently mystified.
Police have stated that upon examination of the body, Mr lewis's ***** was attached via wires to a series of green, amber and red lights. again they are currently mystified.
(with respect - just a silly bit of fun)
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04 February 2006, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Tell that to the TWO people with cars I have had recently that are both Subaru maintained, and both had big end failures with less than 50,000 miles. In fact one of the cars was owned by one of the staff at my local dealership, and has started to go just outside of the warranty period.
But maybe that's just down to the way the dealer changes the oil.
Paul
But maybe that's just down to the way the dealer changes the oil.
Paul
Nature of failure?
I mean is the stock oil pump not an uncommon weak spot on these motors?
As I understand it, seems to be a bypass valve issue...
Steve.
04 February 2006, 11:25 AM
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UPDATE
Police have confirmed a sexual motive.
The final cause of death was due to a loss off blood caused by **** violation.
The murder weapon has been revealed as a 5L bottle of 10W40 Comma motor oil.
The coroner has stated that extensive rectal damage and eventual death may have been avoided by using a smaller (4L) and better lubricant.
His recommendation would be a fully synthetic motul or silkolene grade!
Police have confirmed a sexual motive.
The final cause of death was due to a loss off blood caused by **** violation.
The murder weapon has been revealed as a 5L bottle of 10W40 Comma motor oil.
The coroner has stated that extensive rectal damage and eventual death may have been avoided by using a smaller (4L) and better lubricant.
His recommendation would be a fully synthetic motul or silkolene grade!
04 February 2006, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
MTR -
I'll risk an anology. Just because Subaru recommend their OE pads, disks and brake fluid would it not be sensible to upgrade in-line with your cars uprated performance? Subsequently would one not upgrade their oil for the same reasons?J
I'll risk an anology. Just because Subaru recommend their OE pads, disks and brake fluid would it not be sensible to upgrade in-line with your cars uprated performance? Subsequently would one not upgrade their oil for the same reasons?J
Two reaons.
1. Ongoing revenue is sales of consumables
2. Because they are extensively tested and known to be suitable.
By changing anything outside oe spec, you are entering the unknown. So many different combinations with so many results. It would be foolish to belive that anyone could ever, truely, understand all the possible consequences.
Steve
04 February 2006, 11:42 AM
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....****.... LATEST NEWS!!! .... **** ....
Police have discovered CCTV footage of the hours leading up to the attack.
They are puzzled by the rituals being carried out in, what everyone imagined, to be a normal Motor Servicing outfit.
Grown Geeks were seen dancing around a Subaru Impreza, they were going backwards and had some form of bell ringing contraption on their ankles, further investigation has shown that the car was in the workshop for an simple Oil change. Police are highly suspicious of this entry in the Service Records as it took 6 hours and was accompanied by much praying and wailing and a strange disconnection of an item on the Engine??
The CCTV report continued .... Numerous vehicles had their engines running within the compound, teenagers were getting into the cars and looking at a set of lights stuck to the dash .... they cheered uncontrollably when the lights showed green and then ran screaming down the street (closely followed by the vehicle owner) if the lights showed red. Police are unaware of the significance of these little lights and why they hold such an attrraction for teenagers? The word CockLink was mentioned but details are patchy.
A few geeks cradling Laptops arrived and lifted the bonnet of a running Impreza, although the sound quality was very poor, police could just about make out the words 'Heatsoak' ....... thinking this would lead them to the attackers they have questioned numerous Engine Designers and Mechanics who are completely baffled by the word.
A vehicle arrived shortly before the attack and was seen to drive onto some rollers, Police have been showing a photograph of the car to the Gay Community, as it had Gold Wheels ..... police are not thinking it was a Homophobic attack, but the Gay Community could help trace the owner of that vehicle.
The Homos' vehicle was revved and driven at high speed upon these rollers, the machine in front of the rollers had some form of Graph making capability ... much excitement and glee surrounded the print-out, akin to a teenager when they discover that the top shelf of their newsagents contains pictures of naked people! ............ quite what significance this has to the religious cult is unclear, but Police have had Engineering Experts in to examine the machine - they have confirmed in a detailed report that it is a completey Random Graph Generator - within the Nuclear Industry, these machines are known as ....
D eluded
I nternal
C ombustion
K its
DICK Machines for short .............. they have been used by many groups in the past to delude the paying customers.
Further news will be released as and when it becomes available, but it is clear that some form of Cult had an active part in the demise of the elderly gentleman, pslewis.
MAF sensors were seen to exchanging hands at many thousands of ££££££s during the minutes leading to the beating.
Detectives think that he was onto something really big (NOT Mrs. Lewis!) but possibly had unearthed some form of massive deception in the ownership and servicing of the Subaru Impreza Motor Vehicle.
Pete ;D
Police have discovered CCTV footage of the hours leading up to the attack.
They are puzzled by the rituals being carried out in, what everyone imagined, to be a normal Motor Servicing outfit.
Grown Geeks were seen dancing around a Subaru Impreza, they were going backwards and had some form of bell ringing contraption on their ankles, further investigation has shown that the car was in the workshop for an simple Oil change. Police are highly suspicious of this entry in the Service Records as it took 6 hours and was accompanied by much praying and wailing and a strange disconnection of an item on the Engine??
The CCTV report continued .... Numerous vehicles had their engines running within the compound, teenagers were getting into the cars and looking at a set of lights stuck to the dash .... they cheered uncontrollably when the lights showed green and then ran screaming down the street (closely followed by the vehicle owner) if the lights showed red. Police are unaware of the significance of these little lights and why they hold such an attrraction for teenagers? The word CockLink was mentioned but details are patchy.
A few geeks cradling Laptops arrived and lifted the bonnet of a running Impreza, although the sound quality was very poor, police could just about make out the words 'Heatsoak' ....... thinking this would lead them to the attackers they have questioned numerous Engine Designers and Mechanics who are completely baffled by the word.
A vehicle arrived shortly before the attack and was seen to drive onto some rollers, Police have been showing a photograph of the car to the Gay Community, as it had Gold Wheels ..... police are not thinking it was a Homophobic attack, but the Gay Community could help trace the owner of that vehicle.
The Homos' vehicle was revved and driven at high speed upon these rollers, the machine in front of the rollers had some form of Graph making capability ... much excitement and glee surrounded the print-out, akin to a teenager when they discover that the top shelf of their newsagents contains pictures of naked people! ............ quite what significance this has to the religious cult is unclear, but Police have had Engineering Experts in to examine the machine - they have confirmed in a detailed report that it is a completey Random Graph Generator - within the Nuclear Industry, these machines are known as ....
D eluded
I nternal
C ombustion
K its
DICK Machines for short .............. they have been used by many groups in the past to delude the paying customers.
Further news will be released as and when it becomes available, but it is clear that some form of Cult had an active part in the demise of the elderly gentleman, pslewis.
MAF sensors were seen to exchanging hands at many thousands of ££££££s during the minutes leading to the beating.
Detectives think that he was onto something really big (NOT Mrs. Lewis!) but possibly had unearthed some form of massive deception in the ownership and servicing of the Subaru Impreza Motor Vehicle.
Pete ;D
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04 February 2006, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MTR
J Taylor,
I am not an oil expert, I work as an engineer within the aerospace industry, MTR
I am not an oil expert, I work as an engineer within the aerospace industry, MTR
If not, I would suggest some light reading
http://www.avweb.com/news/news/182891-1.html
Interesting all the parts about Sludge etc....Ohhh, but I thought this didnt happen with synthetics? THINK AGAIN.
Not an issue for us, but just a suggestion on my part that buying solely by 'reputable' brand name means Jack S**t.
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04 February 2006, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by flynnstudio
Why is the 'truth' on this subject so incredibly elusive ??
Welcome to capitalism at it's best
04 February 2006, 11:50 AM
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but just a suggestion on my part that buying solely by 'reputable' brand name means Jack S**t.
Steve.
Steve.
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04 February 2006, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MTR
My chemist buddy thinks we are all losing the plot.
I think he's right.
Syn lube made lubricants for NASA and the Russian Space Programme. Not the engine oil they sell now, but they presumably know something about lubrication.
MTR
I think he's right.
Syn lube made lubricants for NASA and the Russian Space Programme. Not the engine oil they sell now, but they presumably know something about lubrication.
MTR
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04 February 2006, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
Or maybe I have more important things to worry about right now, rather than constantly updating a servicing pricelist because of what some forum troll thinks.
Paul
Paul
Only kidding mate, lets keep the debate alive.
As for the Evo owners and oil discussions, I like to think we are a technically superior bunch
04 February 2006, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Not sure whether Zen Performance would put it in, even if you paid them to?
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04 February 2006, 12:20 PM
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Will this madness never end???
Who'd have thought that in 2006 just 4 little pistons in 4 little barrells with a fancy leaf blower thrown in for good measure would cause so much fuss!
Who'd have thought that in 2006 just 4 little pistons in 4 little barrells with a fancy leaf blower thrown in for good measure would cause so much fuss!
04 February 2006, 08:09 PM
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Yes, I imagined that Subaru would probably recommend COMMA as it's identical to Shell Helix and - as we know - Shell makes more money than Subaru UK
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04 February 2006, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Yes, I imagined that Subaru would probably recommend COMMA as it's identical to Shell Helix and - as we know - Shell makes more money than Subaru UK
Pete
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04 February 2006, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by M1BJR
Cool! So you might just remember the massive lawsuits etc. surrounding Rolls Royce and Mobil AV-1 synthetics in aero engines.
If not, I would suggest some light reading
http://www.avweb.com/news/news/182891-1.html
Interesting all the parts about Sludge etc....Ohhh, but I thought this didnt happen with synthetics? THINK AGAIN.
Not an issue for us, but just a suggestion on my part that buying solely by 'reputable' brand name means Jack S**t.
Steve.
If not, I would suggest some light reading
http://www.avweb.com/news/news/182891-1.html
Interesting all the parts about Sludge etc....Ohhh, but I thought this didnt happen with synthetics? THINK AGAIN.
Not an issue for us, but just a suggestion on my part that buying solely by 'reputable' brand name means Jack S**t.
Steve.
I didn't know about this.
The article makes quite disturbing reading. Money/profit taking precadent over safety. Who would have thought it!!!
A small exerpt from the article:
All the while, Mobil continued to promote AV-1 with an extremely aggressive advertising campaign that made grandiose claims for the product: "a cleaner engine with little or no sludge, a 200-hour oil change interval, up to 30% less oil consumption, 10º-15ºF cooler CHTs, and up to 5% fuel savings." Many knowledgeable engine people considered some of these claims to be exaggerated commercial puffery, and most considered Mobil's suggested 200-hour oil change interval to be insane. But owners lined up to buy AV-1 at eight bucks a quart.
end of quote:
It could be the marketing blurb for almost any brand motor oil.
The detail might need to be changed, but the message would be similar.
Trust nothing that you read or hear, and only 50% of what you see with your own eyes, and you shouldn't go far wrong.
Cheers
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04 February 2006, 09:21 PM
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The article makes quite disturbing reading. Money/profit taking precadent over safety. Who would have thought it!!!
and most considered Mobil's suggested 200-hour oil change to be insane.
Cheers
MTR
That must have been the Scoobynet **** Brigade then!!
They take 100 hours to soak the Filter, 5 hours to swap the oil, and an extra 95 hours to finally get to the 'start engine' stage!!
Pete