Smoking is negative.

Not smoking is positive.


Why should people that do not wish to partake in a negative activity be forced to "go elsewhere". It should be t'other way round.

....this posible new law hightlights the will of the "many".

OllyK- when a majority decides, it is THAT which defines democracy (as you previously said - free and democratic country) - whereby democracy being a greek derivative of "people power".

I am amazed there is even a debate here - no ; in fact I am not - as this sums up the selfish mentality of people today.

 

once again - how far should you go down that road????

 

Smoking serves no more purpose than spitting chewing gum on the floor, waiting for someone else to step in it - but maybe that person should "make a choice" and "walk on a different street".

Hell, wouldn't want to curtail the "rights" of someone who wishes to spit chewing gum on the floor now would we.

I despair.

 

OK, so only pubs with this technology can have smoking in them? Seems fair. All others can't have smoking unless they fit these devices and so forth.

 

I think we've got it... why alienate anyone smoker or non smoker when there is a way to solve it - any business in this industry would choose either invest in air purification or go non smoking


as for tbg - your argument shows what a self righteous mother you are - no thought for any view but yours - as i have said repeatedly i dont like smoke, I dont like a lot of things but i accept that a surprising amount of people have different views to me but i dont think they should be legislated against just because i feel i'm right - this country has always had a worldwide repution and viewed by many elsewhwere as the ideal in toloerance but we are now a joke because of the atitudes we see here

 

so vandal why not explain to us how much this air cleaning kit would cost the pub to buy and have fitted. Also how easy is it to install in the old fashioned country style pubs or the modern concrete box type pubs??

Then we will be able to decide how viable a solution it is to the problem.

 

Could use the tax generated from tobacco sales to subsidise or give grants to pub landlords to make the changes! Pigs might fly!!

 

Toronto have banned smoking in public.

Resultant - a better, nicer, cleaner environment for all.

 

as for a viable solution - the system i know best is fitted to a pub built circa 1750 but some parts are roman, last extension to was 1960s cost under £4000 but payback was acheived in under 2 years (anyone in business will say thats good)

i will be fitting same in my new pub closed for improvments right now

 

In your opinion!! It serves a purpose to me for the time being.

Well known fact, and having looked into it today its actually 1:5000

I enjoy the action of it, and I enjoy the relaxing hit as well after a stressful day. Just to point out, I smoke roll-ups and dont really enjoy "real" ****, the chemically filled horrors that taste vile.

I like the taste, and I like the action of chilling out, rolling up a ciggie, sitting back and relaxing, especially with a pint.

I dont like the smell, the health issues etc.

Also to point out, for all the "you're selfish" brigade, I dont smoke in none-smoking groups of people, or in places you shouldnt smoke, not even in restaurants where you're allowed to smoke.

Also, just to re-iterate, when they do ban it in pubs it wont affect me that much as all my friends are non-smokers and we dont go the pub that often anyway.

I just object to the "ban culture" and the two faced way its being done - when they ban performance cars It will be interesting to see what all the militants in this thread say.

As 20mpg noisy Scoob drivers, you are all as much of an annoyance to people who aren't into cars as smokers are to you.

Do you live in Toronto then? Jerome off here does, and that wasn't his take on it

 

Snort coke instead. I hear that's quite addictive. Many users like the feeling of simply doing it over the feeling once they'd done it.

I would quite frankly not mind if you snorted coke on a table next to me in a pub - cos it has no direct effect on me.

 

Its too expensive

 

Quality not quantity.....

 

About 106k people die from smoking related diseases in the UK each year, compared to 3,439 road deaths.

It is harder to quantify the deaths resulting from vehicle pollution, but it's fair to say that cars produce similar pollution to lots of other activities, so removing them would probably not make much difference. And, let's be honest, removing smoking altogether would not make society crumble, but removeing all other pollutant producing industry and transport would be a major problem, so let's not have any more silly talk of "yeah, but your car is polluting me".

I fully agree that smokers have the right to smoke (I am an ex smoker myself), but I also have the right to clean air. Unfortunately, the 2 things can not co-exist in an enclosed space, so the smokers have to either not smoke, or go outside.

I suppose I could go outside to drink, but let's face it, the majority of the time inside a pub is spent drinking, not smoking, so why make the people who don't smoke spend all the time outside when the people who do smoke can go outside for a small period of time each time they want to smoke?

Even if you discard all that, you still have the people who work there. They cannot go outside and get clean air. They have to work, and smokers are denying them their right to clean air in the workplace.

Get another job! I hear you cry, well that's just stupid and clutching at straws. There's enough people without jobs or who need the extra income as it is without expecting them to give it up just so what is an ever shrinking minority can light up.

Geezer

 

Bang on mate.

Drinking in a pub does NOT affect anyone else.

Smoking is causing the issue, not "not" smoking.

 

Lads i read the 1st page but not
the next 6, so maybe someone has
pointed out this already, but been
Irish and a smoker i'd have to say,
the smoking ban is great.

Ok the 1st couple of months are a *****
but once all the pubs have enstalled
out door heaters, smoking area's etc. it's great
The craic is mighty, It's the easiest way
to pick up a girl, just ask her "have you a light"
it's as good as any ice braker and most of all
you will smoke less.

So you have more fun,
Better chance with the Women
Smoke Less

Can't see what all the fuss is about ???

Niall.

 

If you smoke - you stink.

 

When they banned smoking over here i wasent very happy because i loved my smokes. But im off them now and its great not having the smell of smoke from all your clothes and for people who bring there kids out for lunch to a pub they wont have to inhale that crap. Now all they need to do is ban booze.

Renno

 

In Ireland? As much chance of that happening in Ireland as the pope converting to bhuddism...

 

I dont mind a smoking ban, our local has a none smoking room and we tend to go in there cos my group doesnt smoke, and its always empty

What I dont like is the banning of everything, as i've said many times.

A public vote would sort it out properly and democratically, but it wont happen - the gov't will just do it regardless.

 

This is exactly why smoking will never be banned in Germany.

We have *** machines outside every bar, we have *** machines on street corners, we have *** machines outside schools, we have *** machines in shops, we have *** machines dotted round the streets. All at the height for anyone around 12 to reach.

I know of one restaurant with a no smoking section and that is not segregated from the smoking section it is just an open doorway that has no door in it.

You can even smoke in mcdonalds and burger king over here.

You need to be 16 to buy **** but as long as you can reach to put the money in a machine you are free to do it at whatever age.

It is a major problem over here, nearly ALL teenage girls smoke, infact there are probably more smokers here than non smokers.

Stopping smoking in germany will be like telling a frenchman he can not have wine with his breakfast/lunch/tea/dinner/11zees/supper etc

 

Doesnt bother me. Probably more risk from benzene fumes while filling up the car. Muppets.

 

Ha Ha true plus the its very well taxed. But it causes more problems then any other drug or smokes thats for sure.

Renno

 

The only "people" I've come across that don't think this ban is a good Idea have all been "In" here !

And I have plenty of friends that are smokers !

 

Well you must be correct then, and your bunch of friends must represent the whole of the UK, may as well get rid of democracy right away

 

What's your point ?

I've met nobody that thinks a ban is a bad Idea - you seem to be defending the democratic right for smokers to go round killing fellow britons because they can't be arsed to get off their ***** and go outside.

 

And if you don't wash you also stink.

 

I'll have to take your word for it.

 

but what happens on a nice summers evening when you want to sit outside in the pub garden would it still be ok for the smokers to smoke outside with you then ? or would they have to go somewhere else then

 

Not speaking from personal experience. It's just that person I sat next to in the pub who happened to be smoking also had some unpleasant body odour.

Perhaps that's why some people do smoke - to hide their b.o. (I personally have nothing against smokers).