Yeah - nothing worse than a smoking muslim liberal poofta

 

all the above do not affect peoples health just by standing next to them !! maybe if a rock climber fell on you ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

I've already written to my MP in favour of a total ban in pubs.

Just wish they would get it sorted.

Cheers
Lee

 

In the North West we have these folk who you ring up and they say "taxi" you then reply by requesting one of these "taxis" stating where you wish to be picked up from and where you wish to be taken. The person on the end of the phone nornally at that point tells you when the taxi will come to your house (or pub for your return leg) to collect you in the taxi.
I think theyre called taxis?

Just another great example of a non smoker having such a strong opinion on a matter they actually care little about as they do nothing about it...

Remember its a taxi T A X I

 

Non smokers shouldn't worry too much about smokers. They'll die sooner than non smokers, maybe their kids will copy them or through passive smoking and they'll die sooner too and therefore be out of the gene pool. The only bad thing would be that smokers will be a burden to society, friends and family paying for their cancer treatments and other smoking related illnesses, unless they go private, and when their friends and family have to watch them die a slow painful death. On the bright side, smokers pay more tax.

 

OllyK "And you have been offered the choices and you have picked one. "
I haven't Been offered a choice. For my health's sake, I HAVE to keep away from said pub. No choice about it.

PS Sorry to be so late with my reply, been out at w*rk and have only just got back to the 'puter. Seems this thread is of interest to a great many. BTW, my work involves selling **** to smokers. HOW do they manage to ignore those awful warnings on the packs?? And before you ask...... No I cannot refuse to sell them. I'd get the sack. It's the only job I can physically do at present. There's a conundrum for ya !
Yve

 

People never quite get this bit do they.

The "burdens to society" generate £16billion in tax revenue for the gov't, yet smoking related illnesses cost £9billion, so if all us "burdens" gave up, where do we get the £16billion from?

Remember, if everyone gave up, the illnesses would still be there for many years, but the revenue wouldnt.

It would cost EVERY person approx £50 extra a month!!

Also, can you "prove" that every smoker dies younger? We have an aunt who is 88 and has smoked forever, she has outlived all the other aunts/grans that didnt smoke.

 

Yve, the same way I ignore the fact that I have a 1 in 7000 chance of dying when I jump in my car, or doing anything else as risky.

To be fair though, even though I do enjoy smoking, I also want to quit shortly as the health risks do worry me.

 

And you don't get this following bit

The money people don't spend on cigarettes doesn't suddenly disappear. They'll spend it on other stuff (much of which is taxed) which, although not generating as much as cigarettes in tax/duty, will still put more cash into the economy. In addition, the govt. will just tax other stuff more to make up the shortfall, simple.

General health and fitness will improve, not just the smoking related stuff so the NHS will have less of a burden.


So, at the end of the day, if everyone stopped smoking, we'd all be better off. Healthier people leading to less burden on NHS. The remaining shortfall on cig duty will be made up by tax on other stuff.

 

The burden to society, for example, where a dying smoker is taking up the resources of the NHS which could be used to treat someone who is suffering from non-smoking related illness, increased littering on the streets and in landfill sites, use up and polute the natural resources in the manufactuing on the cancer sticks, suffer a smoking related illness to the extent that you are unable to work and therefore live of benefits to buy more cigarettes instead of essential items. etc etc. However I did say on the bright side smokers pay more tax.

I don't need to prove that smokers die younger. It it is undoubted that smoking greatly increases your chances of illness which will lead to an early grave. If you are unsure, do a search on google or read the warnings on the packets!!

I'm not saying don't smoke, its your choice, your life, but don't think that your little luxury doesn't affect anyone, because it could greatly affect those close to you who may have to go through the pain of watching their loved one die a slow painful death, how selfish is that?

 

Do you not think that a ban on smoking would help you quit.

How often have you heard of people trying to give up but weaking when down the pub with their mates etc.

A ban will help everyone except those directly employed by the cigarrette industry - which is unlikely to affect the UK.

 

Yes we have them in the East Midlands too, but round here I call them robbing tw@ts.... It would cost me at least £15 for a return trip to do that, something you would do everytime you fancied a pint?

How do you mean care so little about as they do nothing about it? Like avoid it you mean? use the only pub in a 10-15mile radius spending a fortune on taxi's to get there? What is it you want me to do about it? There is pretty much nothing I can do.

 

Apologies for the sacasm I was on a roll last night!

I get a taxi to my local because strictly speaking it isnt my local but the pubs near me are a bit poo but to be fair its only about £3 each way... £15 is excessive and having been to Grantham once ( to see a football match) I certainly wouldnt be walking the streets at night

I know the landlord of my 'local' said if he had to choose serving food or allowing smoking he would prefer to drop the food completely as he feels he would lose revenue from the regulars... He doesnt smoke...

Recently in this pub I was sat there on a Saturday afternoon in one of the corners and an adult family walked in saw a table across from me and missus and said aloud "is anyone smoking". i wasnt at the time but smiled and pointed to my zippo and cig packet and they mumbled something (probably Phwoar what a stud muffin") before leaving the pub... I just wondered which county of cloud cuckoo land they came from and how much it would cost them to get back there thinking a local type pub wouldnt have a few smokers in there... Bless em

 

A ban would help me to give up yes, hence why I say I dont mind if they do ban it

But...they should ban it outright as at the moment it stinks of hypocrisy - the gov't are essentially saying "smoking is horrid so lets ban it in all public places....but please continue doing it at home so we get the revenue "

If they want to ban it, then just make it illegal.

Of course, then we have to worry about the "ban culture" though, thats the real issue here. The culture these days is that if something annoys or offends or hurts even one person then it should be banned, the current CS gas thing being another example.

Fair point, but you cant gaurantee it is spent, or even spent in this country. Many would just save the money, or spend it abroad, though that depends on how much people spend on ciggies now.

You could apply that theory to anything, just swap smoking in the above with driving and fast cars. You have the same risk of death, polution, using NHS resources, causing hassle for others, and if you stack it the same issue with people seeing you in hospital.

I would hazard a guess that more people die each day from car accidents than from smoking, though I have no facts to prove this, just my opinion, so should we ban driving?????

 

No worries with the sarcasm, after a few in the evening Im just as bad for it

To be fair your experience (last paragraph) is a bit bad, if they have to ask then obviously they couldnt smell the smoke and didnt bother them that much. some people are just idiots.

LOL your experience of Grantham is because the footy ground is slap bang in the middle of the dodgy council estate, the rest of the place wasnt too bad until the last year or so, become over run with trouble makers who are always getting ASBOs yet no punishments.

 

Most will be spent in this country. Why would they spend it abroad? They may spend a proportion of it, say 5% tops like they would the rest of their money.

Many people smoke 'illegal' cigs so not paying duty/tax etc.

The point is, the govt. will not go short. They'll just get the cash needed from elsewhere. fuel, alcohol, general tax, cut spending etc.

 

The gov't wont go short, but all you "non-smokers" will by paying extra for fuel, alcohol etc, so if everyones happy with price increases then no problem.

But you would get the endless moaners going on about it.

 

People will then look at their lifestyle and live more healthily and fitter and not requiring the nhs so much negating the need for extra cash.

 

Yes you can apply it to anything, drink, drugs, cars, in fact any form of transport. However, for most of us, cars and transport as a whole have a use and in some cases is a necessity in society. Smoking, auguably, is of no use to anyone but the smoker, except perhaps to provide jobs for those in the manufacturing of the products and is purely a luxury.

Thoses who die or suffer injuries in car accidents are more often than not, "covered" by insurance policies, although this is in no way a form of compensation if someone is killed. However, these are accidents and any deliberate attempts to cause harm with a car punishable through law (in most cases). Smoking on the other hand provides no form of direct compensation to non smokers.

 

Prove it

I live very healthily and very fit, I smoke maybe 15 rollies a day, but have never been in hospital for anything, especially smoking related. Plus I pay more NI than most

Cars are a luxury, we dont "need" them and me smoking may seem to you pointless and "of no use" but your having a car is the same to me - smokers do generally enjoy smoking, I know I do - its only the health issues later in life that worry me and would make me stop.

On the flip side I dont drink much, as i'm not keen on drunkness these days (or hangovers ) so I'd also like to see drinking curbed

As for your last point, that makes no sense. Driving polluting cars causes as much health risks to me as does anyone smoking near me. Not sure how you can say someone smoking is "deliberatley" trying to cause harm to others . Its also not punishable by law.

 

Come back to me in 20/30 years and tell me you've not been in hospital for anything, smoking related or not!

 

I think you may have misread my last point. Wreckless driving, for example, is punishable by law. Cars are a luxury, I'm not disbuting that, but to some it is a necessity depending on the job they do and where they live, where public transport is poor, or if the person is not able bodied, and therefore a necessary risk.

If light up in the immediate vacinity of others, knowing full well that the smoke can cause harm, how is that not deliberate?

If driving cars poses as much as a risk to you as to your smoking, then clearly driving cars isn't that much of a risk to you.

 

You dont light a cigarette up in a pub thinking, "I know, i'll risk the surrounding folks health by having a ciggie, you have one cos you want one"

Getting into a car gives you a 1 in 7000 chance of being killed, but we all do it through choice.

 

OllyK,

Of course I have the choice and can use my own free will not to enter a place which is full of smoke, but in all due fairness, is it right that I am effectively barred from a place because I can't stick the smoke and don't want to risk my health.

Your statement cuts both ways.

Les

 

Where'd you get that stat from? I've, and millions of others, have got into a car thousands and thousands of times and are still here. Actually, I've made 6999 journeys so far, should I not drive anymore

 

At the risk of sounding repetetive (not read full thread), I would just like to say...

Ah, us barbaric Scots up here that have no electricity/manners etc are already one step ahead you. Funny that, eh Jeeb

Starts next month so I believe.

 

When you light up, smokers and non smokers know full well the harm the smoke from cigarettes can do. So why would you want to inflict your smoke on to others? Selfishness by the sounds of it. You have one cos you want one, that makes it ok then! Smokers take away the choice to breath clean air (or less polluted in any case!!)

If group of people started smoking crack or heroin next to you or your family, are you saying wouldn't be bothered at all by the smoke? (bar from fact they could be unsavoury people!!)

 

As a none smoker can a smoker i.e. DW please explain to me why you enjoy smoking? what is it about it you enjoy?

 

i was in new zealand as they brought into effect a smoking ban in public places. amazing how much of a difference it made, certainly a thumbs up for me although i cant see the govenment do anything, rather spend there time banning fox hunting and the like

 

its all accademic - it will happen.

a polite request - I hope none of the vociferous militant anti smokers complain when they become a target (when something they do suddenly becomes villified) object and say its a loss of their rights or object when some other self righteous prig spouts off...

as i have said previously - surely when there is the technology to solve a genuine problem (ie smokey atmospheres) effectively and safely why not go down the more tolerant road of accepting "some do, some don't" I have worked pubs fitted with propper air cleaning equipment. it provides differing zones of pressure within the same area and even if more than 3 people are smoking cigars (a smell i dislike intensely) in one area people within 3 metres cant smell them. as for bar staff the area behind the bar is a slightly higher pressure so smoke doesnt drift towards them using this system (same for restaraunt) seems to me that part of running a successful business is making your customers all happy, so i believe if they tightened up the regs on air quality in pubs and made air quality control mandatory the problem would not be argued about