Go for it dude

And prove all the non Muslims contributing to this thread correct

All you would be doing is taking the **** out of what is tantamount to a "story" Do you honestly believe anyone would be that offended??

People need to get perspective here. If someone walks up to you and calls you a ******, thats insulting. If someone takes the **** out of something you believe in, one thousand miles away, thats called their perogative.

 

(note: this has nothing to do with the "Danish" cartoons)

FYI, most European newspapers have published the drawings today, as to stand up against the frenzy. No UK papers ?

Anyway, Mohammed has always been depicted throughout the centuries, the Persians did, Rodin did, Salvator Dali did... nothing new. There are even movies starring Mohammed...

These riots say nothing about religion: they do say something about the kind of world we live in today.

 

Why dont we just carry on printing wtf we like in papers, if they start crying about it shrug our shoulders and laugh at them and say its a joke, they scream even more, just ignore them, They burn our flags etc but we dont cry about it. Just ignore every bugger else and get on with it I say.

 

Well perhaps because newspapers might be a bit weary for bomb attacks, like the one that just happened in Gaza city against a French cultural centre...

That said, I do think every newspaper worth their salt *should* publish them, not to offend, but to say "this is where the buck stops".

 

Right so lets all keep our mouths shut incase we're attacked, what happened to not being beaten by these extremists, isnt that what we was told after 9/11? or the London Bombings?

Get on with your own life and worry about **** when it happens

 

I saw that one, with Will Smith! He was really good!

BTW, if ALL papers print it, can you imagine the reaction of the Iranian president? He'll be apoplectic.

A final point - my Danish friend says the original paper is quite seriously right wing and knew damn well what they were doing when they published it.

 

Many........but one VERY big difference.

Everyone in football is trying to do something about the hooligan minority, from the government, to the FA to the clubs, to supporters groups, to the police, to local pubs, EVERYONE.

And what, exactly, do we hear from those in positions of power in Islam, or anyone else in Islam for that matter, about the so-called minority giving Islam a bad name?
A deafening silence, that's what.

Islam needs to get it's own house in order, before trying to put everyone else's in order.

What's that quote? "Before removing the mote from thy neighbour's eye, attend to the beam in thine own".

Alcazar

 

Did you actually read my reply ?

Anyway, this sheds some light as to why this is happening 4 months after publication:

Fabricated cartoons worsened Danish controversy

The controversy over the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed is expanding, as more Muslims join the boycott and protests against Denmark and various European newspapers decide to publish the cartoons, mostly out of solidarity with Jyllands Posten and to make a strong political stand. One issue that puzzles many Danes is the timing of this outburst. The cartoons were published in September: Why have the protests erupted from Muslims worldwide only now? The person who knows the answer to this question is Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, a man that the Washington Post has recently profiled as “one of Denmark's most prominent imams.”

Last November, Abu Laban, a 60-year-old Palestinian who had served as translator and assistant to top Gamaa Islamiya leader Talaal Fouad Qassimy during the mid-1990s and has been connected by Danish intelligence to other Islamists operating in the country, put together a delegation that traveled to the Middle East to discuss the issue of the cartoons with senior officials and prominent Islamic scholars. The delegation met with Arab League Secretary Amr Moussa, Grand Imam of Al-Azhar Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, and Sunni Islam’s most influential scholar, Yusuf al Qaradawi. "We want to internationalize this issue so that the Danish government will realize that the cartoons were insulting, not only to Muslims in Denmark, but also to Muslims worldwide," said Abu Laban.

On its face, it would appear as if nothing were wrong. However, the Danish Muslim delegation showed much more than the 12 cartoons published by Jyllands Posten. In the booklet it presented during its tour of the Middle East, the delegation included other cartoons of Mohammed that were highly offensive, including one where the Prophet has a pig face. But these additional pictures were NOT published by the newspaper, but were completely fabricated by the delegation and inserted in the booklet (which has been obtained and made available to me by Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet). The delegation has claimed that the differentiation was made to their interlocutors, even though the claim has not been independently verified. In any case, the action was a deliberate malicious and irresponsible deed carried out by a notorious Islamist who in another situation had said that “mockery against Mohamed deserves death penalty.” And in a quintessential exercise in taqiya, Abu Laban has praised the boycott of Danish goods on al Jazeera, while condemning it on Danish TV.

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Is that from the Duracell advert.

 

I meant http://www.astrolabe.com/product/121..._of_Islam.html (The Story of Islam, with Antony Quinn as Mohammed

Denmark has a serious problem with extreme right wing movements and parties, yes, that's a known fact. There was some uproar when they printed it, it was duly discussed, but nobody thought about it after that.

It seems the Danish Imam knew what he was doing as well then, eh ? Stirring up people left, right, and centre.

But even the rather conservative newspaper "De Standaard" printed them today in Belgium, as did 2 other newspapers.

Mr. A. would certainly go catatonic, yes

 

This whole issue is a complete joke really. If offensive material was published about any other religion then followers of that religion may be offended, but would no doubt respond in an appropriate and civilised way, not with violent demonstrations, surrounding embassies waving guns about, make death threats

Im very disappointed that UK newspapers have not yet stood up and printed these pictures in support of fellow European press. Its about time the special treatment Islam appears to receive was stopped - it should be treated like all other religions are in Western countries, and that means being made fun of. If UK based muslims dont like it, they can get used to it (as its the Western way) or are free to relocate to another country if they dont.

 

Just as you are free to relocate to another country if you don't like UK based muslims

 

Did anyone see Jack Straw apologising to the Islamists on the lunchtime news?

 

Interesting point but Petem95 is not the person kicking up about his religion.

 

Watching that man makes me vomit, WITHOUT seeing him with his tongue up someone's ****

Alcazar

 

and me!

 

His religion seems to be making remarks about muslims that should leave the country if they don't like x, y, and z.

I'm sure it's possible to critisize something or someone without constantly reminding people they could leave the country, isn't it ?

For the record, I think the reaction from muslims on this one is completely and utterly OTT, and it will do massive damage to them.

 

No, and I'm glad I didn't. We can joke about PC all we like, but this is NOT a good time to be a coward.

 

No its not his religion thats saying peeps should leave the country - just a statement if they don't like it leave. As for your other 2 points I totally agree.

 

If I were a muslim, in the UK, I'd by much more offended by such a "just a statement" than with some lame cartoons TBH.

I mean, imagine *welcoming* people like Asif with open arms instead of tarring them with the same brush over and over again.

I find it offensive - but I won't burn his flag or boycott his cheese

 

That's not my understanding having spoken to a Muslim friend today. It was the Prophet Mohammed's wish that his image not be used at all, the reason being that people in the future might worship images of him and not concentrate on the important part which is the ideas and teachings that he brought forth.

Any religious films which involve Mohammed are told through his eyes, so you never see an image of him. If you have evidence to show Muslims (e.g. Persians) actually having images of Mohammed, please provide links.

Cheers,
BIJ

 

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but a useful tuppence. i meant the leaders of the faith: that's where bottle seems to be being lost. not that i'm one of them but most ordinary people of faith seem happy to rub along together, well here anyway. and you're right: it is a cancer.

i think you've summed things up rather well.

 

Brit, I can't, not on this thread, can I ? Do you want a PM ?

Your friend is right, and he seems to know his teachings... it was not so much because it would be an offense, but indeed because no picture could bring the message across. A bit what happened with the protestants when they invaded catholic churches in the 17th century and smashed all their statues & paintings. ("Beeldenstorm").

 

Ask 3 muslims: who are the current "leaders" of their faith. You probably know just as well as I do you might get 3 different answers.

 

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these are questions for the tate gallery, the met, tessa jowell, tony blair and charles clarke. our own government's persistent politically correct desire to appease instead of apply some common sense is part of the problem - and it is as much to blame for raised tensions on both sides as is the hair-trigger behaviour of some sections of the muslim community.

 

Fair comment but this "if you don't like it, leave" is applied to all walks of life in the UK. In employment, football team, amateur dramatics etc etc. It's a throwaway line that's very hard to argue against. Probably why it's used so often.
Would'nt be surprised if it is not used all over the world. Probably why so many different religions. Someone starts one up. A follower disagrees on a point and is told - if you don't like it - leave. So he does and starts up his own religion as in the varying versions of Christianity

 

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which leads me to suspect that they have lost control of their religion and that the lunatics really are taking over the asylum. evil flourishes when good men do nothing.

 

Do you realize, given that the biggest ******** are using this phrase over and over again, that it is very much the "last year's new black" ?

 

Thanks, I look forward to your PM.

 

Well, that happened very early on you know ... Like 2 generations after Mohammed. (Sunni vs Shia)

Oh well, I'm glad we only have about 70 official variations of the protestant belief in The Netherlands

What is true though, and I'll give you that, is that quite a few muslims seem to have stopped thinking about their own religion, and are bashing each other with "what scholar x said"

One question to the scholars I'll never forget is: "can we as muslims feel pity for the victims of the London bombings, as they were mostly infidels or bad muslims... " This from a highly educated vocal muslim...

I think when you are at that stage in your "thinking" you need a good slap, a few beers, and a life.