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30 December 2005, 02:52 PM
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i didnt want to get dragged into this one, but there are some SERIOUSLY mis-informed / stupid people on here so i thought i'd put my 2p in:
sociopath: i dont know which of your comments to quote, they are all pretty stupid... why the f*ck does having 'normal' (what is normal btw?!) parents mean your children will turn out to be well adjusted individuals?
Come and spend a few weeks on the estate I used to live on mate, and you'll see the ever-repeating cycle of teenage pregnancies, 8 year olds roaming the streets when they should be in bed, asking you 'for a *** mush' whilst hanging around the local shop, which they then proceed to draw grafitti on before going to smash up the busstop.
Now, what reasoning are you using that children bought up by a same-sex couple will be screwed up? I never had a father in my life, and im doing alright... My mum has a couple of sisters and female friends, who no doubt had some hand in bringing me up.... is that not the same?
All the matters is that they love and respect the child, and bring them up to do the same with other people. And your comment about same sex couples bringing their children up to be gay.... how do you do that then?
And as for Slartibartfasts' comments about 'them' being perverts, i think you'd be better off on this website : www.natfront.com/
Philistines!
Oh and if you didn't know... as you probably dont.... the earth ISNT flat!
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sociopath: i dont know which of your comments to quote, they are all pretty stupid... why the f*ck does having 'normal' (what is normal btw?!) parents mean your children will turn out to be well adjusted individuals?
Come and spend a few weeks on the estate I used to live on mate, and you'll see the ever-repeating cycle of teenage pregnancies, 8 year olds roaming the streets when they should be in bed, asking you 'for a *** mush' whilst hanging around the local shop, which they then proceed to draw grafitti on before going to smash up the busstop.
Now, what reasoning are you using that children bought up by a same-sex couple will be screwed up? I never had a father in my life, and im doing alright... My mum has a couple of sisters and female friends, who no doubt had some hand in bringing me up.... is that not the same?
All the matters is that they love and respect the child, and bring them up to do the same with other people. And your comment about same sex couples bringing their children up to be gay.... how do you do that then?
And as for Slartibartfasts' comments about 'them' being perverts, i think you'd be better off on this website : www.natfront.com/
Philistines!
Oh and if you didn't know... as you probably dont.... the earth ISNT flat!
Chris
30 December 2005, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 4x4chris
I know, it is people like sociopath and slartibartfast that want to keep dragging the human race back into the dark ages.
30 December 2005, 03:27 PM
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oh dear god.... same sex couples are not a threat to you! gay people account for less than 10% of the overall population... it isnt some growing disease!
Why should someone who is gay, something that is completely our of their control... be denied the right to have children?
Why cant we all have the same rights, no matter what colour, sex, orientation, creed etc we are?
Actually, no sod it... lets bring it all back... woman can no longer vote, slavery is a good thing, racial segragation! its all soooo good!
Why should someone who is gay, something that is completely our of their control... be denied the right to have children?
Why cant we all have the same rights, no matter what colour, sex, orientation, creed etc we are?
Actually, no sod it... lets bring it all back... woman can no longer vote, slavery is a good thing, racial segragation! its all soooo good!
30 December 2005, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Slartibartfast
Well I don't agree with it either. So bollox to the policitcally correct 'how many fingers' arseholes.
Country's gone down the pan.
Country's gone down the pan.
30 December 2005, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 4x4chris
oh dear god.... same sex couples are not a threat to you! gay people account for less than 10% of the overall population... it isnt some growing disease!
Why should someone who is gay, something that is completely our of their control... be denied the right to have children?
Why cant we all have the same rights, no matter what colour, sex, orientation, creed etc we are?
Actually, no sod it... lets bring it all back... woman can no longer vote, slavery is a good thing, racial segragation! its all soooo good!
Why should someone who is gay, something that is completely our of their control... be denied the right to have children?
Why cant we all have the same rights, no matter what colour, sex, orientation, creed etc we are?
Actually, no sod it... lets bring it all back... woman can no longer vote, slavery is a good thing, racial segragation! its all soooo good!
You are putting a person into a certain position, and in this case thay are too young to make a decision themselves.
Children aren't a play thing. "rights for this, rights for that", that's all well and good - I'm all for human rights. However, human rights are only "rights" when they do NOT affect others.
Also, a considerable amount of same sex couples only wish to adopt a child because it is:
A) Topical
B) Deemed fashionable
C) Makes them feel they're "doing their bit" towards the common good of the gay community by pushing the "acceptance" point home.
If I was homosexual (no comments please
) I would not want to bring up a child, accepting that, due to how I am, some things are simply not to be.I have no problems with homosexual people at all, unless they'e idiots but that is down to the person - not the sexual tendency.
Homosexualtiy isn't, persay a "choice" however it is not normal. Normal being that how we, as a breed, reproduct. If we were all same sex then within 80 years the human race would cease - that is a definition of normal.
I'm all for acceptance of homosexuality, and allowing people to be open etc. However, there is a line, and putting a child into a guaranteed life of uncertainty, questions, bullying and being singled out is not on.
As I previously stated, in an ideal world it would be fine - but we do not live in an ideal world.
Using children in the short term, to try and develop the attitudes of the human race for the long term is also not on, this was I believe suggested on ths thread.
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30 December 2005, 03:42 PM
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We are taliking about a tiny percentage here, statistically not worth the debate as to whether Gays would or wouldnt be good parents, plenty of Heterosexual people ***** it up royally. Kids are more open to new ideas and concepts than adults, they soon get the idea and I suppose compared to the perfect hetero couple it is a bit more complicated and not 'ideal' but some kids get a really **** deal with their parents anyway, there would be no need for the NSPCC if it was all rosy. What about all the Trisha paticipants, babies all over the place, ffs if I were a kid I would rather have a couple of wealthy older gays as my parents than f*ckin Darryl and some little hoopy earring chav, I mean the phrase 'Baby Mother' came from somewhere and I dont think it was the gays.
I think we need to get used to the fact that some people are gay, about 1 in 16.6 people in the uk are, not all are out I suspect due to some of the types of attitudes exhibited on here.
I think we need to get used to the fact that some people are gay, about 1 in 16.6 people in the uk are, not all are out I suspect due to some of the types of attitudes exhibited on here.
30 December 2005, 03:47 PM
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I'm not worried for children who are brought up by decent loving couples (same sex or not, it's neither here nor there) who've been vetted by the adoptions agencies etc.
The children I AM worried about is those that have parents like Slartibartfast abd sociopath etc who have NOT been vetted and will no doubt fill their kids minds with their mindless, ill thought out prejudices. I really do weep for the future if they turn out anything like you.
The children I AM worried about is those that have parents like Slartibartfast abd sociopath etc who have NOT been vetted and will no doubt fill their kids minds with their mindless, ill thought out prejudices. I really do weep for the future if they turn out anything like you.
30 December 2005, 03:55 PM
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Very Sad
Always amuses me that the 'Politically Correct' have twisted logic so far from the norm that anybody who dissagrees with their crazy notions are instantly branded biggots, homophobes, six fingered, philistines, etc.. etc.
Their general intolorence to others and inability to argue their case (whatever it may be) is exposed by such insults and shows how they try to impose 'their' limits on acceptable language, terms, and viewpoints in public discussion.
Their general intolorence to others and inability to argue their case (whatever it may be) is exposed by such insults and shows how they try to impose 'their' limits on acceptable language, terms, and viewpoints in public discussion.
30 December 2005, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hedgehog
I appreciate that most of you never do anything wrong and so you have nothing to fear, but the following might be of interest in relation to this debate:
Freedom of speech, anyone ?
Mark Steyn - THE SPECTATOR magazine
All over the United Kingdom, right now, real crimes are being
committed: mobiles are being nicked, front doors are being kicked in,
bollards are being lobbed through bus shelters - just to name some of
the lighter activities that add so much to the gaiety of the nation.
None of these is a "priority crime", as you'll know if you've ever
endured the bureaucratic time-waster of reporting a burglary.
So what is a "priority crime"? Well, the other day, the author Lynette
Burrows went on a BBC Five Live show to talk about the government's new
"civil partnerships" and expressed her opinion - politely, no
intemperate words - that the adoption of children by homosexuals was "a
risk". The following day, Fulham police contacted her to discuss the
"homophobic incident".
A Scotland Yard spokesperson told the
Telegraph's Sally Pook that its "standard policy" for "community safety
units" is to investigate "homophobic, racist and domestic incidents"
because these are all "priority crimes" - even though, in the case of
Mrs Burrows, there is (to be boringly legalistic about these things) no
crime, as even the zealots of the Yard concede. "It is all about
reassuring the community," said the very p.c.
Plod to the Telegraph. "All parties have been spoken to by the police.
No allegation of crime has been made. A report has been taken but is
now closed."
So no crime was committed. Yet Mrs Burrows was "investigated" and a
report about the "incident"
and her involvement in it is now on a government computer somewhere.
Freedom of speech, anyone ?
Mark Steyn - THE SPECTATOR magazine
All over the United Kingdom, right now, real crimes are being
committed: mobiles are being nicked, front doors are being kicked in,
bollards are being lobbed through bus shelters - just to name some of
the lighter activities that add so much to the gaiety of the nation.
None of these is a "priority crime", as you'll know if you've ever
endured the bureaucratic time-waster of reporting a burglary.
So what is a "priority crime"? Well, the other day, the author Lynette
Burrows went on a BBC Five Live show to talk about the government's new
"civil partnerships" and expressed her opinion - politely, no
intemperate words - that the adoption of children by homosexuals was "a
risk". The following day, Fulham police contacted her to discuss the
"homophobic incident".
A Scotland Yard spokesperson told the
Telegraph's Sally Pook that its "standard policy" for "community safety
units" is to investigate "homophobic, racist and domestic incidents"
because these are all "priority crimes" - even though, in the case of
Mrs Burrows, there is (to be boringly legalistic about these things) no
crime, as even the zealots of the Yard concede. "It is all about
reassuring the community," said the very p.c.
Plod to the Telegraph. "All parties have been spoken to by the police.
No allegation of crime has been made. A report has been taken but is
now closed."
So no crime was committed. Yet Mrs Burrows was "investigated" and a
report about the "incident"
and her involvement in it is now on a government computer somewhere.
30 December 2005, 03:58 PM
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couple of things, BigMan...
I see what you are saying, but in order for attitudes to change then these things need to happen. I mean a child that has say, to wear glasses, is fat, is deformed etc etc... They are also destined to a school life of bullying...
Granted, it is not going to be a normal existence for them... but then how many children from a straight background have a normal upbringing?
As for the possilibity that some couples might only do it for sake of fashion etc, then yes that is perfectly feasible... but again, this sort of reasoning is no doubt used by straight couples all the time.
Im sorry, but homosexuality is normal. Its a fact of life, has been since humans were around. And is also prevalent in the animal kingdom. If that is not normal, i don't know what it is. I think your definition of 'normal' comes from what is currently socially acceptable. And i think my point on slavery, racial segragation comes in here. At the time that was social acceptable, and it was therefore 'normal' to look down on people from ethnic backgrounds.
Everybody seems to have this image of a gay couple being a pair of mincing idiots who have no idea of commitment, and love etc; this image no doubt enforced by how gay people are portrayed in the media. And yes, these people do exist. Just like there are straight couples out there that dont have a clue....
Dont tar everyone with the same brush.
Embrace change, in this case it is definitely a good thing. Sure, some kids are going to get bullied for it at school. But kids are very good at finding any little 'abnormal' thing about you, so whose to say they wouldn't get bullied anyway?
I see what you are saying, but in order for attitudes to change then these things need to happen. I mean a child that has say, to wear glasses, is fat, is deformed etc etc... They are also destined to a school life of bullying...
Granted, it is not going to be a normal existence for them... but then how many children from a straight background have a normal upbringing?
As for the possilibity that some couples might only do it for sake of fashion etc, then yes that is perfectly feasible... but again, this sort of reasoning is no doubt used by straight couples all the time.
Im sorry, but homosexuality is normal. Its a fact of life, has been since humans were around. And is also prevalent in the animal kingdom. If that is not normal, i don't know what it is. I think your definition of 'normal' comes from what is currently socially acceptable. And i think my point on slavery, racial segragation comes in here. At the time that was social acceptable, and it was therefore 'normal' to look down on people from ethnic backgrounds.
Everybody seems to have this image of a gay couple being a pair of mincing idiots who have no idea of commitment, and love etc; this image no doubt enforced by how gay people are portrayed in the media. And yes, these people do exist. Just like there are straight couples out there that dont have a clue....
Dont tar everyone with the same brush.
Embrace change, in this case it is definitely a good thing. Sure, some kids are going to get bullied for it at school. But kids are very good at finding any little 'abnormal' thing about you, so whose to say they wouldn't get bullied anyway?
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Originally Posted by Martin_Aimless
Always amuses me that the 'Politically Correct' have twisted logic so far from the norm that anybody who dissagrees with their crazy notions are instantly branded biggots, homophobes, six fingered, philistines, etc.. etc.
Their general intolorence to others and inability to argue their case (whatever it may be) is exposed by such insults and shows how they try to impose 'their' limits on acceptable language, terms, and viewpoints in public discussion.
Their general intolorence to others and inability to argue their case (whatever it may be) is exposed by such insults and shows how they try to impose 'their' limits on acceptable language, terms, and viewpoints in public discussion.
30 December 2005, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
They're almost as bad as those that think that gay people are perverts
30 December 2005, 04:02 PM
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Choice of parent - Devvo or Elton John?
I know which one I would pick
If you can show me a child that has only known certainty and has had no questions and I can guarantee that they will be retarded beyond any form of understanding. It is only through uncertainty and questions that our mental processes may form and a child may grow.
As for bullying - yes it is possible, however children will always find ways of bullying someone - too fat, too thin, too tall, too small, too rich, too poor, black, white, yellow, brown, spotty, not spotty, pretty, ugly, clever, thick, pikey, Irish, Scottish, English, Welsh, sheep *******, towny boy, puff, macho, lezzer, priss.................and so it goes on.
My choice would be to have the opportunity to have loving parents that have CHOSEN to look after me and have been through a process of selection than to be brought up by a narrow minded, puritanical bigot chav and as someone said above, his hoopy ear ringed slapper who leave me in the council flat on my own with my two under ten sibllings whilst they go off raving, clubbing, toking up, on holiday to Mallorca........
I know which one I would pick
putting a child into a guaranteed life of uncertainty, questions, bullying and being singled out is not on
As for bullying - yes it is possible, however children will always find ways of bullying someone - too fat, too thin, too tall, too small, too rich, too poor, black, white, yellow, brown, spotty, not spotty, pretty, ugly, clever, thick, pikey, Irish, Scottish, English, Welsh, sheep *******, towny boy, puff, macho, lezzer, priss.................and so it goes on.
My choice would be to have the opportunity to have loving parents that have CHOSEN to look after me and have been through a process of selection than to be brought up by a narrow minded, puritanical bigot chav and as someone said above, his hoopy ear ringed slapper who leave me in the council flat on my own with my two under ten sibllings whilst they go off raving, clubbing, toking up, on holiday to Mallorca........
30 December 2005, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin_Aimless
Worse I'd say. They seem think 'normal' hetrosexual relationships are wrong.
The point is, some people on here are being homophobic, and exhibiting somewhat biggoted attitudes. If we think that is the case, what is wrong with saying so? Especially when their argument for why children from same-sex couples is basically 'gays are perverts' - with a well-rounded and thought-out argument like that, what else are you supposed to reply with?
30 December 2005, 04:07 PM
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Should we not judge ppl on how they conduct themselves or their actions not their sexuality ffs ?
Some very small mindedness seems to be raising its head here it seems . . .
Some very small mindedness seems to be raising its head here it seems . . .
30 December 2005, 04:10 PM
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lol everyone has to be something-phobic now don't they! you must be heterophobic then since your views conflict with mine! Burn the heterophobe!
30 December 2005, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 4x4chris
Everybody seems to have this image of a gay couple being a pair of mincing idiots who have no idea
True, true....
30 December 2005, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NAF
I'm heterosexual
How can I be heterophobic then?
I don't hate myself . .
How can I be heterophobic then?
I don't hate myself . .
What's important here is that children will be raised amidst a f*cked up fetish lifestyle that two people have chosen for them.
30 December 2005, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
True, true....
What delightful role models they'd make. Can you imagine them playing footy with their adopted son? Buying him his first toy gun?
What chance would the poor kid have... he'd be brought up in their own delightful 'image'
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Originally Posted by NAF
Whingy little retorts?
So being gay now is a fetish ??
i've had a look at some of your recent posts and I really think you need to get a grip my friend . .
So being gay now is a fetish ??
i've had a look at some of your recent posts and I really think you need to get a grip my friend . .
It has no biological function, they just do it because they get off on it. Fetish.
30 December 2005, 04:26 PM
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I'm not sure what age you are but I'm sure at some stage you mite come to realise regardless of sexulity some ppl are good, some ppl are bad . .
Just because a child is brought up by a same sex couple doesn't instantly mean they're gonna be messed up for the rest of their life!
I can't believe you would think that let alone suggest it
Just because a child is brought up by a same sex couple doesn't instantly mean they're gonna be messed up for the rest of their life!
I can't believe you would think that let alone suggest it
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Originally Posted by sociopath
LOL!
What delightful role models they'd make. Can you imagine them playing footy with their adopted son? Buying him his first toy gun?
What delightful role models they'd make. Can you imagine them playing footy with their adopted son? Buying him his first toy gun?
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Originally Posted by 4x4chris
you talk about role models... then talk about buying a child a toy gun in the same paragraph! Introducing a kid to guns! WICKED.