Not much in it around a track and a lot better than people give the LCR credit for.......

Here is a list of the topgear times (Hot hatches highlighted in bold)......

Renault R24_07 F1.................................59.1
Ferrari Enzo.........................................1.19. 0
Ariel Atom supercharged......................1.19.5
Radical SR3..........................................1.19. 8
Porsche Carrera GT.............................1.19.8
Merc SLR Maclaren...............................1.20.9
Ford GT................................................ 1.21.9
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale............1.22.3
Porsche 911 GT3 RS.............................1.22.3
Westfield XTR2.....................................1.23.2
Lambo Murcielago.................................1.23.7
Pagani Zonda.......................................1.23.8
Kooenonioeggoennisoeuggooueeng....1.23.9
Ariel Atom.............................................1 .24.0
Noble M12 GTO-3R................................1.25.0
Caterham R400.....................................1.25.0
Lambo Gallardo.....................................1.25. 8
Morgan Aero 8 GTN................................1.25.9
Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ-320...............1.26.0
Lotus Exige........................................... 1.26.4
Ferrari 575 (GTC handling pack)............1.26.8
Chevrolet Corvette................................1.26.8
TVR T350C............................................. 1.27.0
Aston Martin Vanquish S.......................1.27.1
Porsche 911 GT3....................................1.27.2 (W)
Spyker C8..............................................1. 27.3
BMW M3 CSL..........................................1.28. 0 (W)
MTM Bimoto (What ever that is????)......1.28
Lotus Elise Sport 190.............................1.28.2
Dodge SRT-10 (Viper).............................1.28.5 (W)
MG XPower SV.........................................1.28.6
Porsche 911S (997).................................1.28.9 (W)
Mitsubishi Evo VIII...................................1.28.9
BMW 645Ci............................................. .1.28.9
Lambo Murcielago....................................1.29 (W)
Merc CL 65 AMG.......................................1.29.0
BMW Alpina Z8.........................................1.29
Asone............................................. ..........1.29
Subaru Impreza WRX STi WR-1................1.29.4
Alfa Romeo Autodelta 3.7 GTA..................1.30
Subaru Impreza WRX STi..........................1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT................................1.30.4
Audi S4................................................ .....1.30.9
Porsche911 Turbo.....................................1.31.3
Honda NSX Type R....................................1.31.6 (W)
Mazda RX8............................................... .1.31.8
BMW M3................................................ ....1.31.8
Nissan 350Z.............................................. 1.31.8
Ford Focus RS............................................1.32 .2
Lotus Esprit V8..........................................1.32.5
Audi TT V6 3.2...........................................1.32 .7
Honda Civic Type R (04)............................1.32.8
Seat Leon Cupra R 225..............................1.32.9
MG ZT................................................ .1.33.0
Noble M12 GTO..........................................1.33. 1 (W)
Merc SL55 AMG..........................................1.33. 2(W)
VW Golf R32............................................... 1.33.3
VW Golf GTI ................................................1. 33.7
Renault Clio Cup ......................................1.33.8
Vauxhall Monaro.........................................1.3 3.9 (W)
Renaultsport Megan 225............................1.34.0
Mini Cooper S Works..................................1.34.2
Volvo S60R.............................................. ...1.35
Ferrari 575............................................... ...1.35.2 (W)
Alfa Romeo 147 GTA....................................1.35.6
Lotus Elise 111S..........................................1.35 .6 (W)
Citroen C4 VTS............................................1.3 5.8
Aston Martin Vanquish.................................1.36.2 (W)
Renault Clio V6............................................1.36 .2 (W)
Honda Civic Type R (Pre 04)........................1.36.5 (W)
Saab 9-5 Hot Aero.......................................1.37.9
Maserati 4200 Coupe..................................1.38.6 (W)
Bowler Wildcat........................................... ..1.39.4
Bently Arnage R............................................1.40. 8
Overfinch Range Rover.................................1.44.0

 

who cares!? its a fecking Seat!!!

 

Lightly modded CTR Vs remapped 210 LCR:

http://zebustype-r.de/video/Cupra210(Chip)-CTR_2.wmv

Bye, bye CTR!!!

 

Had a 182, then to 320d (wench power ) and now had the LCR for a year.

Stock to 100 not much between the two but over treble figures and the 182 cant live with the LCR 9edited to say: cant live is a bit strong but the 182 is constantly dropping behind). I know this because my brother bought my 182 off me and we've had a couple of tussles. Re-map the LCR and the 182 can't live with it full stop. The only thing with the LCR re-mapped is that an old lady in an electric shopping buggy can beat you from a standing start, getting the power down from standing can be a nightmare.

Can't really comment on the CTR as i've driven one but not for long enough to truly know the car, my decision to go LCR over CTR is the LCR is much easier to drive quickly day to day. The fact the turbo is spooling at 2k and comes in at 3k means its much more tractable in everyday use, your not always changing cogs to find the optimum gear and its very rare to get caught out with almost 300lbs/ft of torque.

Like anything learn the car and you'd be surprised at how good the LCR is in the twisties, you can feel the weight to it but once you get past that shift in weight which makes the front dip when throwing it into corners it holds on for quite some time before letting go.

 

wow going by them top gear times the older shape ctr is nigh on 4 secs a lap slower than the facelift.I thought the facelift only had a lightened flywheel and 2-3 more bhp ,so is it really that much quicker or was the driver having an off day in the older one ......................4 seconds a lap on track is a flippin MASSIVE amount ,probably the equivalent of 150 meters ,so that means in 7 laps the face lift could have pulled over a kilometer

 

MG driver, you'll notice the pre facelift CTR is a wet lap.

That explains the difference

 

oh right cheers i missed that ,makes sense now then

 

God is it just me or does that look painfully slow ? doesnt seem to pick speed up that well at all...

 

The difference is only 50bhp not 500hp. I think your expecting fast and the furious 50bhp.

There's a good 10-15 car lengths in that film.

 

I meant how slow the speedo needle increases in the Honda

 

There is no spec available for the CTR that I could see, so how do you know whay if any mods it has?

I can only speak from experience, having seen both a CTR v a LCR at Brunters and the pod. There was not a lot in it tbh. Of course it is a lot easier and cheaper to get more power out of an allready f/i car compared to all motor. However the CTR as a complete package cannot be overlooked. With just k-pro (£600) fully mappable ecu and say an AEM or Injen induction £180 you can manage to hit 14 seconds not to bad.

I will say after driving the LCR I would say it did feel slightly more composed over more bumpy B roads than my CTR, the suspention whilst less effective on track did prove to be more complient in the real world.

To sum up I think both competent cars, that are both different and the differences may all boil down to your driving style.

 

Whats your point?
Seems a pretty good package to me - having owned a Sccoby, Ralliart mitsubishi, Audi, Volkswagen and a fair few other makes, the LCR is put together pretty well - OK, not as well as the Audi, but close. My Scooby was a decent relaible car, but a little basic inside, the LCR is better specced and dare I say it more reliable all round - not the same sort of car as the impreza though - both good in their own right.
Compared to many more expensive cars, yes, it's just a SEAT, but I am guessing the reason me, you and most other people here don't run Bugatti Veyrons, Ferraris, Astons etc is that we can't afford it and make do with what we can afford - which i am pretty happy with at the minute cheers , as are probably most Scooby owners.
There endeth the rant!

 

I had a Leon Cupra once and in 9 months/12K miles it needed:

3 Coils
1 Gearbox
3 Door Seals
1 CD Changer
2 Front Discs
2 Front Shocks
1 Bonnet/Bumper etc Respray
1 Remote Locking Sensor
2 Front Tyres

And attention to the numerous rattles, squeaks etc. A heap of junk. I'd rather have my finger nails pulled out than waste money on another Seat.

The CTR's in a different class when it comes to build quality and reliabilty, although I can't get away with that strange "sticky" steering. Tried twice - bought the Seat once (mistake) and a WRX 5 Dr next time (wise move).

Cheers

PS All repairs done under warranty - including tyres due to suspension probs.