S203/S204 Turbo
#32
Originally Posted by gazza.s
I think a spec c type ra with the S204 wheels mite just do me fine.
To illustrate the difference between the two in my eyes, I would modify a Type RA, I don't think I would modify an S204.
Now on the suspension, after some research here are the suspension extras for each:
S204 (see http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_R...2/index.html):
- STI 4-way adjustable struts and springs (the S204 web site mentions nothing of them being 4-way adjustable, however the description for the struts is identical to the 4-way struts - 15mm lower ride height and 50% more rigidity)
- STI Rear Lateral Link Set
- STI Rear Stabilizer
- STI Rear Trailing Link Set
- STI Yamaha Dampening arm (front and rear)
- STI 4-way adjustable struts and springs (see http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_R.../01/index.html if you want proof)
- STI Rear Lateral Link Set (see http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_R.../02/index.html)
- STI Rear Stabilizer (see http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_R.../02/index.html)
- STI Rear Trailing Link Set (see http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/spec_c_R.../02/index.html)
#33
Just had a look at the suspension extras on the S203, they are the same as on the Spec C Type RA. So the only addition to the S204 over and above the S203 (and Spec C Type RA) is the front and rear dampening bars...
Now according to best motoring volume 16, there is no difference between the previous shape 2005 STI and the S203 on the Touge track....but it is well known the STI Spec C (and likely even more so the Type RA) are superior on the track than the stock STI.
So can those front and rear dampening bars on the S204 bridge the gap?
Now according to best motoring volume 16, there is no difference between the previous shape 2005 STI and the S203 on the Touge track....but it is well known the STI Spec C (and likely even more so the Type RA) are superior on the track than the stock STI.
So can those front and rear dampening bars on the S204 bridge the gap?
#34
What is a dampening bar?
Must be important if you lot are judging a car buying decision by whether it has one or not. But I've never heard of such a thing.
When I first read it had a dampening bar by Yamaha I assumed it was a traslation thing and it meant Yamaha shock absorbers aka dampers.
Must be important if you lot are judging a car buying decision by whether it has one or not. But I've never heard of such a thing.
When I first read it had a dampening bar by Yamaha I assumed it was a traslation thing and it meant Yamaha shock absorbers aka dampers.
#35
Originally Posted by Chelspeed
What is a dampening bar?
Must be important if you lot are judging a car buying decision by whether it has one or not. But I've never heard of such a thing.
When I first read it had a dampening bar by Yamaha I assumed it was a traslation thing and it meant Yamaha shock absorbers aka dampers.
Must be important if you lot are judging a car buying decision by whether it has one or not. But I've never heard of such a thing.
When I first read it had a dampening bar by Yamaha I assumed it was a traslation thing and it meant Yamaha shock absorbers aka dampers.
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The S204 & Spec C Type RA are really nice factory special's both a significantly more the there base models so you just need to decide if the extras/exclusivity are worth it.
We've test both the MY05 & MY06 Subaru 4-way adjustable dampers on both the road and chassis dyno so if you have any questions please feel free to call anytime.
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The S204 & Spec C Type RA are really nice factory special's both a significantly more the there base models so you just need to decide if the extras/exclusivity are worth it.
We've test both the MY05 & MY06 Subaru 4-way adjustable dampers on both the road and chassis dyno so if you have any questions please feel free to call anytime.
Regards
Iain
#37
So it's damped top and bottom strut braces? Thanks for the link.
Seems pretty pointless to me then. Surely the shell itself will allow damped movement between the two strut tops? I thought the whole point of strut braces was to minimise any movement at all to allow the suspension geometry to work at it's optimum. Hence the additional work that goes into the rally cars roll cages. Don't see Prodrive designing in dampers between the suspension mounting points do you?
If anyones allowing the presence or not of one of them affect a decision on buying a £30k car then they've been suckered by marketing hype!
Seems pretty pointless to me then. Surely the shell itself will allow damped movement between the two strut tops? I thought the whole point of strut braces was to minimise any movement at all to allow the suspension geometry to work at it's optimum. Hence the additional work that goes into the rally cars roll cages. Don't see Prodrive designing in dampers between the suspension mounting points do you?
If anyones allowing the presence or not of one of them affect a decision on buying a £30k car then they've been suckered by marketing hype!
Last edited by Chelspeed; 27 December 2005 at 12:37 PM.
#38
Originally Posted by LitchfieldImports
Nathan YFM
The S204 & Spec C Type RA are really nice factory special's both a significantly more the there base models so you just need to decide if the extras/exclusivity are worth it.
We've test both the MY05 & MY06 Subaru 4-way adjustable dampers on both the road and chassis dyno so if you have any questions please feel free to call anytime.
Regards
Iain
The S204 & Spec C Type RA are really nice factory special's both a significantly more the there base models so you just need to decide if the extras/exclusivity are worth it.
We've test both the MY05 & MY06 Subaru 4-way adjustable dampers on both the road and chassis dyno so if you have any questions please feel free to call anytime.
Regards
Iain
Or have they all been sold?
#41
Here's a dyno of an S203 with the following mods:
VF42
Stock actuator
Stock turbo inlet hose
ZeroSports air intake hose
STi Intercooler
Stock Header - equal length
Custom 3" down-pipe
Ganador Racing Titan Titanium 3" cat-back exhaust system
Uprated injectors
Stock fuel pump
And here's a dyno of v8 JDM STI with the PE1825 turbo and following mods:
PE1825
Stock actuator (modified)
Samco turbo inlet hose
AEM cold air intake
STi Intercooler
Stock Header - equal length
Custom 3" down-pipe
Fujitsubo 3" cat-back exhaust
Uprated injectors
Uprated fuel pump
VF42
Stock actuator
Stock turbo inlet hose
ZeroSports air intake hose
STi Intercooler
Stock Header - equal length
Custom 3" down-pipe
Ganador Racing Titan Titanium 3" cat-back exhaust system
Uprated injectors
Stock fuel pump
And here's a dyno of v8 JDM STI with the PE1825 turbo and following mods:
PE1825
Stock actuator (modified)
Samco turbo inlet hose
AEM cold air intake
STi Intercooler
Stock Header - equal length
Custom 3" down-pipe
Fujitsubo 3" cat-back exhaust
Uprated injectors
Uprated fuel pump
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Looks like the S203 isnt producing its full power yet, do you know anything about the car that ran? if it were new it would be under power like this one is, even my Spec C pushes out more power than that S203, though look at the torque differences between both cars, the S203, in its standard form is producing much more lower down the rev range than the Bugeye (v8 car).
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#43
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Looks like the S203 isnt producing its full power yet, do you know anything about the car that ran? if it were new it would be under power like this one is, even my Spec C pushes out more power than that S203, though look at the torque differences between both cars, the S203, in its standard form is producing much more lower down the rev range than the Bugeye (v8 car).
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How much power is your Spec C putting down?
The PE1825 has a bigger compressor than the VF42 hence it is reasonable that it will have less low-end torque, although 260NM ATW @ 3000RPM is still reasonable.
Take a look at the following dyno graph, where I have scaled and superimposed the power graphs from the following cars:
JDM STi Ver8 MY04 (Green):
- VF37
- Stock actuator
- Samco Hose
- Stock air intake
- STi Intercooler
- Stock Header - equal length
- Custom uppipe
- ZeroSports 3" downpipe with highflow cat
- Custom 3" mid-pipe
- Apexi N1 exhaust
- Lighten pulley
- Uprated injectors
- Uprated fuel pump
- VF42
- Stock actuator
- Stock turbo inlet hose
- ZeroSports air intake hose
- STi Intercooler
- Stock Header - equal length
- Custom 3" down-pipe
- Ganador Racing Titan Titanium 3" cat-back exhaust system
- Uprated injectors
- Stock fuel pump
- PE1825
- Stock actuator (modified)
- Samco turbo inlet hose
- AEM cold air intake
- STi Intercooler
- Stock Header - equal length
- Custom 3" down-pipe
- Fujitsubo 3" cat-back exhaust
- Uprated injectors
- Uprated fuel pump
Also the v8 JDM STI is the blob eye with twin scroll turbo as stock, not the bug eye (bug eye = v7 JDM STI, not sure why the version numbers got out of sync with UK).
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