Poor old fogey itll be the dimentia i spect.....

 

I too remember when u had to wait to get a Scoob and that is so far back in the day and that waiting list was a bit long as well
I think the thing is now days, there are so many imports that the price's have taken a knock I'm afraid
There are some nice examples around, but the choice is getting bigger every week due to this influx of imports.
If you look at the Evo's there price has stayed high as you cant get that many Evo 5 a the moment the Evo 4 has started flooding in and there price has dropped as well
I think it was due too DVLA not releasing the paper work on this Evo 5 until about a month or 2 ago which meant you couldn’t get the ESVA done and you couldn’t register it either which meant the car wasn’t real in anybody’s eyes
And this kept the price of Evo's quite high as well
But f you look at the price now
Evo 4 they start at about £4500
but then an Evo 5 is about £9500
and the Evo 6 starts about £11000
The poor old Scoob is a victim of its own success I’m afraid
And it means that those that have really nice Scoobs that wont to sell them even with low mileage will only be able to do this at the lower price
And those with high millers really need to drop the price as there are so many new imports arriving everyday with much lower mileage

 

40% deposit and £540 a month for 2 years, nice thought 0% finance , but if I was looking that kind of monthly outgoing would mean my family would have to eat beans for 2 years, tesco value ones at that! And there is no way of being able to drive it, ****e who spends that much a month on a car before running cost. I will stick with my Fab VRS for now, bit of fun and a probable £500 a month saving

 

Just recieved an offer brochure direct from Subaru today offering 0% finance and 3 years free servicing on 2005 model cars.
As said earlier they are probably clearing the storage field of old cars before the new ones take centre stage

 

cost of running

 

would they do 0% over 3 years...?

 

What scares me about my car is the servicing costs. Not just the rediculous price of dealer servicing, but the cost of tyres, brakes, clutches etc. I keep going through phases of 'should I sell' due to the money I pump into keeping such a car on the road when it could be spent on family holidays etc. Guilt I suppose.

I have been looking at new brake discs recently for my STi. Talk about an effin rip off. Look at this website from the USA at Brembo discs. Bearing in mind the exchange rate of the $, how can theirs be so effin cheap ?

http://www.instockauto.com/epcvsoapi...id=instockauto

Somebody is getting fat over here.

Neil

 

Dont know about local dealer but it stated on subaru.co.uk only over 2 years Not for me

 

Somebody is getting fat over here.






Have you not noticed before?

 

This offer is on the 2005 model only not the new 2006 as mentioned above and valid only till Dec 2005.
So 0% finance and 3 years servicing on 2005 models only, purely to get rid of old stock.

 

Anyone mentioned fuel economy yet? In the days of 70p a litre, it was OK to run around doing low 20's mpg. But now you never know from one week to the next whether it'll be under a quid a litre or over, plus you've pretty much got to use super unleaded as well...

Bottom line is, it's got to be one hell of a car to be worth the running costs. And I think for a lot of people, having to spend £60 filling up their Scoob only to drain the lot in a week's worth of commuting plus a quick blast at the weekend...

Plus the other thing is that these are supposed to be modern cars! WIth all the tech and research they do and they can't give you 280 useable bhp AND 30-40mpg? No wonder people buy VW group turbodiesels.

I don't know if it's particularly the Impreza or if this is something affecting ALL high insurance group, high performance, low fuel economy cars. But I bet there's not many on here who haven't secretly thought 'maybe I should sell up and get out now before I'm stuck with a gas guzzler that no-one will want'. I love my WRX wagon and I bought it as an all-rounder -fast, discreet, roomy in the back, not too costly to run, solid build. Now it's starting to really cost me in fuel and it's not such an all rounder any more.

 

Running costs aren't a huge issue with me as I regularly get 35mpg, the parts last forever (brake pads and discs still fine after 63,000+ miles)

The look is fine, I have the Classic after all

The metal is wafer thin and picks up dents like Bill Clinton picks up Cigar Smoking Girls

Overall, it has been a great experience - performance when I need it, smooth runaround when I don't

But, the depreciation is horrific (probably not worse than any other car but it still hurts!) .............. I have only ever bought 1 new car in my life (the Impreza) and have come to the conclusion that it was the right move on this type of car as I could run it in and treat it well from mile 1 ................

Any other car, however, shouldn't be bought new! IMHO

Pete

 

How do you get 35mpg? You unplugged the turbo?

 

I can only imagine that I drive properly?

Pete

 

I have had several new cars all different models, the only car ive had that makes me smile every time i get in it and turn the key is my05 ppp i just love the thing to bits sounds like i'm going to knock one out any second but just well happy with it (don't think i'm a rally driver or a chav either) just love it.

 

Nick Read has v.valid point....Thunder77- if you believe PsLewis youll believe anything.

 

Nick, I can see where you`re coming from, but I think it`s actually the opposite to what you have said.

Every manufacturer these days seems to be bringing out more and more high-performance models, look at Ford with their ST`s, VW with the new GTI and R32, and even Vauxhall, who are somewhat trying to salvage their performance reputation with the VXR, which they are now applying to most of their models. Honda, BMW, Audi, etc.....................all are the same.

A few years ago I would`ve agreed with you mate, as there seemed to be a dearth of performance cars, and the very phrase "hot-hatch", seemed to strike fear into the hearts of Insurance Companies, after the XR models, GSI`s and GTI`s of the time.

I don`t think fuel consumption seems to be an issue either, as none of the newer models I`ve listed above are exactly good on petrol.

I know that diesels may well be the way forward, but I think they`ve still a long way to go before they replace the petrol-engine as the choice of performance-seekers.

We`ll see what the future brings, I suppose...............

(Just my tuppeny`s worth. )

 

you also need to take into account that us "country folk" buy a car and usually run it into the ground, not change it every 12 months.

There residuals don't really matter. Turbos don't really matter, as most buy Normally Aspirated models. 4drs aren't as popular as wagons/estates.

My next one will be a 5dr turbo, and like my current one, will keep it for 4 or 5 years.

The prospect of 3 yrs free servicing and 0% apr is quite appealing TBH I don't care that it will be worth a fraction of sweet FA.

Dan

 

The issue is thus.

Pick up a grouptest with the imprezza in it circa 1995 and it will be against a cosworth, maybe a grale, basically proper mad performance cars.

Now, its in the 'other cars to consider' section of the golf gti review.

10 years ago if you wanted a fast but subtle car you would definately look at an imprezza. I dont believe its the obvious choice now.

And I really think the rise of the chavs has done it no good at all.

 

I think the Wagons retain their aloof pose ...............

Wagons are still class ......

Pete

 

This is one of the most valid posts here I think.

 

When I looked around to replace the ATR, I considered and drove


1) Ford Track day; Focus ST (225bhp); wheel spins in hard cornering then understeer, big heavy engine promotes understeer. Still a nice car and probably one of the best turbo FWD cars around.
2) Seat Leon Cupra RS, handling worse than the Accord Type R; with masses of wheel spin. Looks goods and great throttle response; very little turbo lag, I felt a torque steer in straight line aceleration.
3) Civic Type R; nice but again wheel spin.


No one else offers 4 wheel traction for 20k, I got a demo with 25 miles on the clock for £17k. In the Realworld, the WRX is still the best handing sub 20K car and the traction kills the opposition.


I agree Subaru need to improve quality, cockpit. Maybe if Honda bought Subaru (I rate the build quality of the Honda accord; on par now with Audi).



Front wheel drive is great on a dry hot summer day .
As i've tested many FWD carsd I can say from experience the Focus RS, Accord and Integra Type -R are miles better than any other FWD cars and get the power down. (celica 190 t-sport the best coupe in handling terms)

 

I have to agree, i have a number of friends comment on the lack of accessories in the cockpit, mpg clock etc. the feel itself is that of a jap car from the early 90's still, and the carpets are crap too!

 

Well i had to wait for my 04 sti to arrive, uk spec!

 

My pennies worth:

1. Market now flooded with capable "hot" hatches which are far cheaper than the scoob
2. Fuel economy above hot hatches are far better
3. Insurance again hot hatches are cheaper
4. Image now the Burberry of the performance car world

It's unfortunate that Subaru seem to have slipped on the competition. The EVO (320) is more than a match for the Sti. The competition has caught up, Leon Cupra R, Focus St, Golf GTi etc. are a comparision to the WRX. More people are interested in straight line speed [though it's nice that they use the scoob as the typical benchmark], see many many thread regarding "Then I dropped it at the lights and left him for dead...", you won't find many "Chasing a scoob down a farm track last night.....got completely wasted [disgruntled Leon Cupra R driver]". The hot hatches are capable of keeping up and more, there cheaper to own, better interiors and god forbid more trendy.

Subaru need to put some effort in andmake something exceptional. Even there attempts at 'specials' are dissed in the media.

Roo

 

Interiors are pretty shat on Subarus range, however I can't see how any of the current hot hatches other than the R32 are in competition. This time of year reminds us that power is useless without control or traction. I've had powerful hot hatches and 6 cylinder RWD cars, great in the dry, utter pish in the damp or wet.
My current car is a MKIV diesel PD150 with remap and it's impossible to use anything like full throttle until 4th gear.
That's why the Impreza is still unique in it's class, cheap and useable all year round. If people don't want them it's their loss and I guess most of us will save a few quid.

 

Hmmm. Well I can't say I'm entirely convinced of the handling of an Impreza in the wet weather. TBH my Clio 16v was better in the wet, nothing like the understeer I get in my Scoob, but then admittedly it only weighed 950kg and liked to change direction pretty sharpish, and the weight that there was was virtually all over the front wheels. but in the dry or in damp conditions the Scoob will see off almost anything around the narrow country lanes round where I live - it would murder a fwd hot hatch just with the way it launches out of every corner and the fact that you've got engine braking and forward traction at every wheel.

I'd love to get 35mpg. best I've done so far in my 98 WRX wagon is around 28mpg on a long motorway run and I was bloody pleased with that. Still, that's an improvement on the old Clio which never even managed 20mpg if you gave it beans, which I invariably did.