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22 November 2005, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dexter
Just so you understand this, Traffic Cops also go to fast response jobs, exactly like the one where the woman PC was tragically murdered a few days ago.
Get your facts right in the first place before mouthing off, and you might`ve actually got some help/advice from some of us on here that do the job, and know all about the use of lazer etc................
Get your facts right in the first place before mouthing off, and you might`ve actually got some help/advice from some of us on here that do the job, and know all about the use of lazer etc................
22 November 2005, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Adrian F
Pass about the 100 metres bits but increasingly people are reporting being done for 33 in a 30 zone so it appears that ACPO guidelines are being ignored as well.
when the camera's were first introduced all they talked about were people doing 80 in 40 zones but when I asked a camera van operator on a PR exercise what the proportion of people prosecuted for being say 8 mph over the posted limit was e.g. slightly over not doing twice the limit they claimed not to be able to get this information?
I think that people see limits that have little basis for validity being enforced with a zealousness that the police fail to apply to car jacking, burglary, drug use or anti social behaviour then they lose all support from the public who ultimately they are suppose to serve.
But this is a country where the Police will detain an 82 year old who shouts "rubbish" at a cabinet minister at a political conference under Anti Terror laws so maybe all they serve are the minority who run the country who just want to milk us of money through another form of Tax?
I think since the move to loads of speed camera's driving standards have slipped as people just dont see Traffic cops any where except in camera vans. the problem is the Police have been moving away from Policing by consent for years and the Speed camera is just another nail in the coffin. they need the camera's ripping out and Traffic cops back out on the roads i dont think speed is an issue the issue is inappropriate speed which requires a human being to judge.
when the camera's were first introduced all they talked about were people doing 80 in 40 zones but when I asked a camera van operator on a PR exercise what the proportion of people prosecuted for being say 8 mph over the posted limit was e.g. slightly over not doing twice the limit they claimed not to be able to get this information?
I think that people see limits that have little basis for validity being enforced with a zealousness that the police fail to apply to car jacking, burglary, drug use or anti social behaviour then they lose all support from the public who ultimately they are suppose to serve.
But this is a country where the Police will detain an 82 year old who shouts "rubbish" at a cabinet minister at a political conference under Anti Terror laws so maybe all they serve are the minority who run the country who just want to milk us of money through another form of Tax?
I think since the move to loads of speed camera's driving standards have slipped as people just dont see Traffic cops any where except in camera vans. the problem is the Police have been moving away from Policing by consent for years and the Speed camera is just another nail in the coffin. they need the camera's ripping out and Traffic cops back out on the roads i dont think speed is an issue the issue is inappropriate speed which requires a human being to judge.
Also im not sure about other forces but here in Humberside the vans are not staffed by Traffic Officers so it isnt diminishing the amount of them patrolling around.
Finally saying that they dont apply enough urgency to burglary / drugs offences etc is unfair. If a burglary in progress is reported they will attend asap. If its not for a while then maybe its because the powers that be arent giving them enough officers to staff the area. As for drugs offences, you would not even believe the problems drugs cause and the problems of finding and seizing them. It is unreal the amount of pro-active and covert activity that goes on that you will never hear about in the papers or on the news because of its sensitive nature.
As I have said before, the sooner the government taking the respobsibility of enforcing traffic law away from the Police and give it to an independant organisation, the better!!
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22 November 2005, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by John57
Regarding the last comment ..... perhaps your mate would like to come out with me for a shift or two as he obviously knows nothing of what traffic police do !
What do I do ... well, aside from answering crime related calls on local divisional radio channels I go to all fatal or possible fatal collisions in my area - which covers a 1/4 of London. So far in 4 years I have gone to and managed over 120. Some are not pretty; perhaps your mate would like to come and, as I did, roll over the motorcyclist without a face to go through his pockets to find i/d. He was still warm ..... Wasn't much good to i/d him when I found his photocard driving licence! He was only 25. This is just one of many ..... my most recent this morning, a 79 year old pedestrian.....
I have replied to this just to illustrate we are not there just for speeding .... far from it ..... infact in my 4 years in traffic since leaving the world of 'normal' policing after 11 years I have only issued about 6 speeding tickets - to very, very blind drivers!
What do I do ... well, aside from answering crime related calls on local divisional radio channels I go to all fatal or possible fatal collisions in my area - which covers a 1/4 of London. So far in 4 years I have gone to and managed over 120. Some are not pretty; perhaps your mate would like to come and, as I did, roll over the motorcyclist without a face to go through his pockets to find i/d. He was still warm ..... Wasn't much good to i/d him when I found his photocard driving licence! He was only 25. This is just one of many ..... my most recent this morning, a 79 year old pedestrian.....
I have replied to this just to illustrate we are not there just for speeding .... far from it ..... infact in my 4 years in traffic since leaving the world of 'normal' policing after 11 years I have only issued about 6 speeding tickets - to very, very blind drivers!
At the end of the day, we all have to die at some point, and there are many different ways to do it, yet the nanny state we live in insists on controlling our lives in so many different ways. Penalising people for driving over the limit is just one form of control.
If the government were serious about saving lives on the road, they would educate young kids in schools how to cross roads safely , like they did when I was a nipper, they would raise the driving standards by increasing the requirements of the test, they would ensure that traffic targeted bad driving (including lane hogging, lack of indication etc) and not just the **** on these roads who endanger people.
I could go on, but I hope you see where I am coming from.
22 November 2005, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Impreza-2005
I would just like to say that i wasn't out to cause an argument. But thank you for all the info it's been good reading. 
Im not impressed and are going to try to fight it RIDICULOUS!!
23 November 2005, 01:30 AM
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I think that people see limits that have little basis for validity being enforced with a zealousness that the police fail to apply to car jacking
I can`t give too many details out (for obvious reasons), but the car was recovered, by the Police, within about 20 minutes of the job being given out.
I mention this because you mention that you feel the same zealousness is not applied to these matters, as it is to speed-enforcement.
Mate, honestly, if you could have heard the radio when the job was given out tonight, there were Traffic Cops shouting from areas as far away as Wigan (about 35 miles from Stockport, for those who don`t know the area), to come over and try and assist in catching these low-life, and recovering the guy`s Scoob. The helicopter was sent up as well; itself a major cost, everytime it takes off.
I`m not looking for pats on the back here, nor are any of us, but if you could just see what actually does go on, and the lengths that we go to to lock-up the crims, including us Traffic Cops, then it would open your eyes.
For what it`s worth, my slant on speed cameras is that they`re no use at all, and if the Goverment think that they have improved road-safety by installing these things everywhere, which they ARE/HAVE replaced Traffic Cops with, then they are fooling nobody but themselves.
Again, I would echo what someone further up the thread says, in that the sooner they give speed-enforcement to other agencies, THE BETTER !, and leave us Traffic Cops alone to perhaps try and win a bit of confidence back from the public, as they see us as the lowest-of-the-low at the moment.
Anyway, this is not a rant, BTW, but you can see that I get a bit passionate about this subject...............
23 November 2005, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Impreza-2005
I would just like to say that i wasn't out to cause an argument. But thank you for all the info it's been good reading.
This is not an argument BTW, this is just Scoobynet. You want to see some of the other threads, where someone says their car is faster than someone else`s.
Fuggin `ell
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23 November 2005, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Varboy
Please don't take this the wrong way as it's not meant to get your back up and I have a lot of respect for anyone who has to go through. A friend of mine is a fireman who attends RTAs and some of the stories he has told make me feel queasy just thinking about it.
At the end of the day, we all have to die at some point, and there are many different ways to do it, yet the nanny state we live in insists on controlling our lives in so many different ways. Penalising people for driving over the limit is just one form of control.
If the government were serious about saving lives on the road, they would educate young kids in schools how to cross roads safely , like they did when I was a nipper, they would raise the driving standards by increasing the requirements of the test, they would ensure that traffic targeted bad driving (including lane hogging, lack of indication etc) and not just the **** on these roads who endanger people.
I could go on, but I hope you see where I am coming from.
At the end of the day, we all have to die at some point, and there are many different ways to do it, yet the nanny state we live in insists on controlling our lives in so many different ways. Penalising people for driving over the limit is just one form of control.
If the government were serious about saving lives on the road, they would educate young kids in schools how to cross roads safely , like they did when I was a nipper, they would raise the driving standards by increasing the requirements of the test, they would ensure that traffic targeted bad driving (including lane hogging, lack of indication etc) and not just the **** on these roads who endanger people.
I could go on, but I hope you see where I am coming from.
Traffic cops on here going off on a rant about mangled bodies and such is beside the point. Im sure these people are not in that state because they were going a few mph over the speed limit. The govts own figures prove that even the vast increase in speeding convictions has done nothing to reduce RTA's. Its a revenue maker and nothing else. Its dangerous driving etc that causes accisents. Better education of drivers is the answer or more bobbies in cars on patrol and less ***** in vans and with hand held guns hiding in bushes.
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