GrollySTI

On a technical point I don't think that's what was said. I believe the Veyron would reach 200mph before the F1 but wouldn't have caught it - in fact it would be quite a way behind.

Fantom

after seeing the photos in Evo mag I dislike it even more.... I mean, have you seen the badge on the back and the steering wheel? Its awful!!! The interior looks horrible to me.... from the back, its an ugly car!
If I was super super rich, I'd never choose the veyron over a zonda/murcilago?/saleen/koenissegg/enzo/carrera gt...........

The performance figures are very impressive though. I don't know why, but I just hate it!!

wez_sti

hmmm, fair point

nisr227

Has anyone read the latest Top Gear Mag where the designer of the Macf1, Murray, test drives the Veyron and gives his opinion? Interesting reading.

Although he is baised, he does point out a good few issues, the main asking whats the point of the Veyron in the first place? He said Top Speed and outright power is pointless if you can't use it properly on the road, and after his drive, he mentions the lag makes it very difficult. But, he also goes on to say how impressed he was with the Veyron on the track, far better than on the road.

But surley that makes sence on such an impractical car. He designed the F1 with no holds barred but to make the ultimate driving machine, the aim wasn't top speed on the F1 apparantly, but bhp per ton without turbos, perfect weight distribution etc.

On another note, IMO its fine Buggati saying the car does 0-62mph in 2.5secs, 0-125 in 7.3secs and so on in their tests, but no independant magazines has actually timed the car yet!

I am still waiting! 2.5secs, which is the quickest you can acheive with road tyres using phyiscs, seems so fast, even too fast, for such a heavy car, even with that huge BHP and 4wd. I really do want to see a magazine get this 60 with their hard launch, but will be surprised if they do. I know 60 isn't that important, but they quoted it!

imi

http://marshallbrain.blogspot.com/20...y-bugatti.html

kammy

Its not a true super car its brute. Big, heavy and overly powerful.
This car has lost touch with reality. Any firm can whack a big turbo'd lump in a car and make it go quick. Where is the elegance and skill of design gone a'la Enzo, Mac F1, Sintura see- (http://www.f1-sales.com/lolagt.htm) etc.
This car is merely a ***** extention for Bugatti.
Kam.

Adam M

so nice to see so many agreeing with what i concluded years ago.

what the hell is the point? it is way over 2 tonnnes and is a lag monster.

Mclaren F1 for me. The fact remains, it is all about weight. That is always going to make for a decent supercar.

Massive PWR, rear (maybe 4) wheel drive, mid engine and NA. The way it should be.

After the Mclaren, it must be a Zonda F or an Enzo.

The Enzo was designed to beat the F1 round a track. Ferrari weren't looking for straightline numbers and they achieved what they wanted.

Still Mclaren F1 for me though it isn't pretty.

Far nicer than the veyron!

Having said all that, I suspect you could drive a veyron everyday.

sgcooby

Appharently someone driving the fabled clio cup handed a veyron drivers *** to him recently. Remarkable cars those clios. Totally standard too.

pete1977

Can anyone confirm that the bugatti veyron is quicker than a WRX?Im sure the WRX would have it through the twisties!

Dracoro

The WRX will beat a Formula 1 car driven by M Schumacher, straights and twisites etc. After, all it has more torque than a F1 car

Adam M

I would certainly pu money on the WRX against an F1 car on any bumpy normal road.

would expect the F1 would spin so many times on anything but decent tarmac that a well driven road car could stay ahead.

Either that or the F1 car would get beached.

Karl 227

How sad

7 Foot

Yep.

imi

The beauty about a car like this is that they will be most likely owned by people who will have one of each....veyron, enzo, zonda and similar.........so not like its gonna be their only car.

Its a engineering marvel....gorgeous engine....and bloody quick and amazingly loud.

I think its brilliant.

IMO obviously.

You guys talk about lag, how do you know? Have you driven it?

I have a twin turbo Supra and havent experienced ANY lag issues at all......cant figure out how FOUR turbos wouldnt actually help reduce ANY lag whatsoever...

scoobylav

The actual quote you are refering to is the along the lines of the following.
The Veyron was run next to an F1. The F1 was given a 10 sec head start. After 10 secs the F1 was doing 130 mph. The Veyron then set off. The veyron reached 200mph just before the F1.

So in fact the veyron will do 0 - 200 mph in a fraction less time than the F1 does 130 - 200 mph.

I hope this clears it up.

Interestingly when going full whack 251 mph the veyron will empty its tank (100 litres) in 12 minutes over a distance of 80 km. I thought my scoob was bad.

rr_ww

I don't think anyone on here as driven one. But Gordon Murray has, and he writes about in Evo. (and Top Gear magazine) and whilst he's slightly biased as he designed the F1. He makes a good case against it. He doesn't hate other Supercars either. He likes the Zonda and even considers the F430 to be a pretty good car. The Lag is apparently quite noticeable. Even James May talks about it, in his Top Gear magazine piece.

Its a fast GT car certainly, but its no supercar. And its definetly not something you could live with every day, unlike certain other cars.

slim_boy_fat

That must rank as one of the most idiotic statements ever typed on a forum.

drb5

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I don't think that's true actually, mate.

As far as i know, they are making a lighter/more powerful version later on.

7 Foot

Well no that clears nothing up.

The actual quote reads as follows:

"If a fully wound-up McLaren F1 went past a poised, stationary Veyron at 100mph and the Veyron driver gave it the gun as the F1 passed, the Bugatti would still reach 200mph just before the McLaren did."

I hope that clears it up.

Some of the posts on this thread are laughable. Nice work.

rr_ww

Not at all, fat scottish bloke. This car doesnt (from what Ive read) compete with Zonda, Carrera Gt or F1. It's not as involving to drive, is a automatic gearbox (no clutch pedal) and isnt RWD. And thats pretty much what a Supercar is all about, going stupidly fast, but being involved in the process.

Its more in line with the Mercedes SLR and the Bentley Conti GT. Only it cant carry very much luggage as its front end is full of 10 radiators! Sure its fast, but so is ContiGT and a Aston Vanquish. And they aren't supercars either.

Hope you can understand why you're wrong.

MADRod

The Veyron is a very fast car as it should be with all that Power.
The only Production car that can out acclerate most of the Top modified cars around.
0-186 in 16.7 is mega.
Mine managed 0-186 in 21.18 secs at Brunters so a bit slow. A Macca is a real slowcoach taking around 25secs. However Mr Cowie in his Skiline is around 14secs at the mo & exspecting to go much quicker next year, that car makes the Veyrons accleration seem slow. Topspeed it would be hard to beat by anything. Yep one hell of a car. I want two, one for the Mrs.

rr_ww

Unless your planning on taking your Sierra in its current spec to the Nurburgring, or ANY track, I shall not consider it anywhere near the aforementioned Supercars/GT's.

Your's and Cowies are both straight line cars, and interesting as the engineering is, we're talking about an overall package which your car simply isn't.

sgcooby

I dont think Bugatti ever intended the Veyron to be a track car so it shouldnt be compared to other track orientated supercars. It was an engineering excercise, which has gained them more publicity recently than virtually any other car ever has done for its respective manufacturer. I dont think any owner would care that many other cars could beat it round a track but its the bragging rights and snob value that goes with owning one. Plus ill bet it would be a finnancial investment to as it will probably appreciate in value. If you could only afford one supercar then you probably wont buy one but Ill bet every owner of a Veyron will have every other supercar around at the moment anyway so its just one more for the collection. Lucky b astards.

imi

All these guys slating the veyron.....they wouldnt be able to fill it up with fuel let alone owning one

LOL


It should be an entertaining TopGear on tonight

Ralph Wiggum

what you have to realise is that whilst i respect gordon murrays opinion alot, he designed and built the macca f1, he's never gonna turn round and say ' you know what this cars better than mine' he obviously went out to there to dislike it and nothing would make him change his mind, every other review i have read has been this car is utterly amazing to drive, low redline but still amazing nonetheless.

oh and yes it is supposed to be a bit laggy and going back to the comment on a twin turbo supra not feely laggy, well thats because that car uses two turbos in a sequential setup, a smaller turbo and larger turbo feeding all cylinders the bugattis setup is one turbo the same size per cylinder head, being a w16 thats four heads four turbos, another example of this is say the original audi s4 bi turbo, bi turbo being one turbo per bank of 3 cylinders on the v6,

Dracoro

The Enzo has a 'auto' gearbox so I guess that's not a supercar.

Supercars are about being stupidly fast, that's it (well, maybe outrageously priced as well ). As for involvement, aren't we splitting hairs? Nowhere have I read that the Veyron is an uninvolving car. Maybe not AS involving as an F1 or whatever. It's drivetrain is split rearward also all 4 wheels are powered. Is the Lambo Murcialago not a supercar since it, too, has 4WD and many with flappy paddles?

Anyway, where's the definition of a supercar that mentions RWD only, manual only, involving only?

slim_boy_fat

Sorry , i'll have to pass on your assessment of what the definition of a supercar is. As its clealy pish...

rr_ww

To me, thats the supercar recipe. Anything that isnt mid engine, NA and RWD is probably a great car, but not a supercar. Supercars should be terrifying. Old Lambos were real liabilities and thats what gave them the Wow factor. Not many people go Wow over a Conti GT or a Vanquish. They just think they are nice cars.

My main gripe with the Bugatti is that everyone considers it to be a BETTER car than the F1. But to nick Gordon Murrays words. It doesnt better the F1 on everything, only on Acceleration and Top Speed.

What VW should of done is sat down and said. We've seen what the F1 does well and we're going to move the technology on. We'll design a supercar that can hit 250mph. But is:

Mid engined
NA
RWD
Has Carbon brakes
Can carry more luggage than the F1 (that carries more than a Fiesta in its panniers/3rd seat bag)
Is easy to park
Is really compact. (People forget just how small/short the F1 actually is)
Has great throttle response

etc etc

No one cares about the Koenisegg now the Veyron is (allegedly) faster. As that's all the Koenisegg guys considered when designing and building there car. To make it faster than a F1.

And when the next car comes along that can hit 255. No one will care about Veyron. A car like this needs to be something special to be remembered for decades afterwards. It needs to be not just faster, but BETTER than the car that was availiable before. Remember its about 12-13 years since the F1 was launched and its still king of the all round Supercar.

imi

cool....no need to read the rest of your post then....

sgcooby

Conti and vanquish arent supercars. They are grand tourers. They are not supposed to have the same wow factor as a supercar. So the Veyron only betters the F1 on acceleration and top speed?? EH what else is there. Its a supercar that is all supercars are about so therefore it beats the F1 in every respect. A lot of people actually consider the F1 to be a 'skitish' car to drive with a very loose back end. Think that is why they then gave the option of a fixed rear wing. Dont remenber anyone saying the Veyron has any faults other than you so far. I think it hilarious that you say it hasnt pushed things on far enough. How can you say this when its not just faster than the next fastest car but absolutely miles faster. An F1 would hardly be in sight if they launched together. And for your info. the Veyron is limited to 252mph so as soon as it gets beat you can be sure the limiter will be removed as a factory option. Cant see anything beating this car for some time.