'civil war' erupts in Paris suburb
04 November 2005, 03:04 PM
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Muslims don't want to integrate. They want us to convert to Islam.
04 November 2005, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mad_dr
******* digusting i hope the person who did this dies horribly!
I hope they deport all of the scum that are caught rioting
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04 November 2005, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by _RIP_
I see yet another piece of PC tosh is being bandied about. Museum curators at Chedder Caves in Somerset have banned BC (Before Christ) to be replaced by BP (before present). It's no wonder certain immigrants who come to the UK can take the ****.
<shakes his head is disbelief>
We are in trouble!
04 November 2005, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
My take is the immigrants come in to western countries either invited or even claiming asylum, don't bother to integrate and then then blame whitey when they make a complete failure of it. 
Are they really all living in their own faeces because - despite being well motivated, incredibly smart and getting themselves educated - they just can't find jobs because the French are racist??
Suresh
(descendend from an immigrant who made a big success of it)
Are they really all living in their own faeces because - despite being well motivated, incredibly smart and getting themselves educated - they just can't find jobs because the French are racist??
Suresh
(descendend from an immigrant who made a big success of it)
Theyve moved into far better living standards than the countries they came from, so are probably happy at first, but then see the (majority) white people driving around in expensive cars, living a better lifestyle and the immigrants then get jealous and blame everything on them. Muslim immigrants will generally insist any job they take will accept their religious demands so no wonder they are more likely to be unemployed and poor.
Just look at statistics in the UK - people of Indian origin (non muslim) earn MORE than white English people on average, yet earnings for people from muslim countries earn far less and are way more likely to be unemployed.
Just goes to show you move to these countries which give you the CHANCE to be a success, but you have to make the effort - its not given on a plate.
04 November 2005, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RedFive
The French government is now considering to send in the army (and all white flag jokes aside, this thing is seriously getting out of hand)
As you say joking aside this is a serious move to turn things over to the military. There will be little fecking about by the french army!
I would have considered this a last resort!
Where did you hear this?
04 November 2005, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by _RIP_
They were considering using the army right from day one as the French police are (apparently) not trained to fight people rioting in the streets.
They will end up reading the riot act, and using the army, you watch.
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04 November 2005, 05:31 PM
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Not looking good.
Sad thing is the end result will probably be that all immigrants housing will be knocked down and luxury appartments will be built in their place to house them (at tax payers expense), and then lots of positive discrimation schemes launched - companies must give more good jobs to immigrants etc
Nobody will dare question that maybe mass-scale immigration is the root cause of the problems, or that maybe immigrants should agree to intergrate if they want to remain there.
Sad thing is the end result will probably be that all immigrants housing will be knocked down and luxury appartments will be built in their place to house them (at tax payers expense), and then lots of positive discrimation schemes launched - companies must give more good jobs to immigrants etc
Nobody will dare question that maybe mass-scale immigration is the root cause of the problems, or that maybe immigrants should agree to intergrate if they want to remain there.
04 November 2005, 05:33 PM
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Sad thing is the end result will probably be that all immigrants housing will be knocked down and luxury appartments will be built in their place to house them (at tax payers expense), and then lots of positive discrimation schemes launched - companies must give more good jobs to immigrants etc
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04 November 2005, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Dunno about that..they have the CRS, and THOSE lads don't mess!
They will end up reading the riot act, and using the army, you watch.
Alcazar
They will end up reading the riot act, and using the army, you watch.
Alcazar
04 November 2005, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by _RIP_
Well it was the local police chief who stated that. Perhaps this is too big even for the CRS, who tbo I thought were involved already.
Sarko, maybe? He's all talk, from what I've seen.
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04 November 2005, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
My take is the immigrants come in to western countries either invited or even claiming asylum, don't bother to integrate and then then blame whitey when they make a complete failure of it.
Are they really all living in their own faeces because - despite being well motivated, incredibly smart and getting themselves educated - they just can't find jobs because the French are racist??
Suresh
(descendend from an immigrant who made a big success of it)
Are they really all living in their own faeces because - despite being well motivated, incredibly smart and getting themselves educated - they just can't find jobs because the French are racist??
Suresh
(descendend from an immigrant who made a big success of it)
So Suresh please tell us more about your success story....sounds intesrting...
04 November 2005, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Not looking good.
Sad thing is the end result will probably be that all immigrants housing will be knocked down and luxury appartments will be built in their place to house them (at tax payers expense), and then lots of positive discrimation schemes launched - companies must give more good jobs to immigrants etc
Nobody will dare question that maybe mass-scale immigration is the root cause of the problems, or that maybe immigrants should agree to intergrate if they want to remain there.
Sad thing is the end result will probably be that all immigrants housing will be knocked down and luxury appartments will be built in their place to house them (at tax payers expense), and then lots of positive discrimation schemes launched - companies must give more good jobs to immigrants etc
Nobody will dare question that maybe mass-scale immigration is the root cause of the problems, or that maybe immigrants should agree to intergrate if they want to remain there.
First of all: they are not all immigrants (although many of them are). There are as many Antillians, christian Africans, Portuguese, and French living in those area as there are muslims, mainly from Algeria and Morocco. Many of the immigrants are 2nd or 3rd generation.
Secondly, I don't think even the French can build say a million houses or luxury appartments just like that. I presume you haven't seen these suburbs ? They are grim and ugly. Visit Marseille if you have the chance (and live to tell the tale...) They'd make some London suburbs look like a fantasy island
There has never been a real integration problem with the older immigrants (and yes indeed, they were invited there for cheap labour). There is a problem with the younger generations, who do get a rough deal, most have diploma's, but can't find work. So they become more radical. Not really a surprise.
Thirdly, many people living in these suburbs object heavily to the riots, as it's their ****ing cars & schools that are getting torched.
Besides, I believe it is a Scoobynet Law (TM) that all immigrants go to the UK, so there can't be any immigrants in France.
These riots have been predicted for the last 2 years BTW. Yes, it is partly "racial", but in essence it is social.
04 November 2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by _RIP_
lol so busy being successful that he posts his wisdom in here 
04 November 2005, 08:04 PM
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Mr. PC
At the risk of offending some and quite possibly being un-PC (oh no!) I have a simple solution for this senario. If they attack the police using bricks and fire and are causing conditions that could harm/kill innocents; place a bullet in thier skull. They are attempting murder, plain and simple. Kill enough of these *******s and the problem will solve itself. I don't know when people will understand this PC crap does not work. Just like here in the UK, where the yobs/thieves/rapists rule the night and the police are all but powerless, there is NO law without accountability. If I am a crimminal, and if the rare chance takes place where the police happen to stumble into me while I am commiting a crime, I KNOW the courts will give me a few hours community service. What kind of a deterrent is that?
Now play the same scenario with the ending being a bullet creasing my skull like a canoe, I now have a powerful motivating reason NOT to commit the crime. THAT'S WHAT CRIMMINALS UNDERSTAND. Until these weak dick do-gooders stop playing the games of the solicitors and criminals, it will not change. It's convenient to watch this unfold on your TV,r safely in your living room, what happens when it moves into your back yard?
Two women were raped on the main street of my small town last week, at 10:00 PM, on the sidewalk of a well lit road. Do you think the criminals were even remotely worried about being caught? I advocate people start standing up for themselves. The police will not help, trust me on this one: been there, done that. They were awfully polite but my cat would've given more of an effort to solve the crime. They are undermanned and thier hands are tied by courts who act more as criminal advocates than doing thier job of enforcing the law. I truely think its sickening to watch it happen. How do they look themselves in the mirror everyday? I guess the payoffs make it easier.
Until we fight back and let them know this will no longer be tolerated, it will continue; it will get worse. My two cents anyway
Now play the same scenario with the ending being a bullet creasing my skull like a canoe, I now have a powerful motivating reason NOT to commit the crime. THAT'S WHAT CRIMMINALS UNDERSTAND. Until these weak dick do-gooders stop playing the games of the solicitors and criminals, it will not change. It's convenient to watch this unfold on your TV,r safely in your living room, what happens when it moves into your back yard?
Two women were raped on the main street of my small town last week, at 10:00 PM, on the sidewalk of a well lit road. Do you think the criminals were even remotely worried about being caught? I advocate people start standing up for themselves. The police will not help, trust me on this one: been there, done that. They were awfully polite but my cat would've given more of an effort to solve the crime. They are undermanned and thier hands are tied by courts who act more as criminal advocates than doing thier job of enforcing the law. I truely think its sickening to watch it happen. How do they look themselves in the mirror everyday? I guess the payoffs make it easier.
Until we fight back and let them know this will no longer be tolerated, it will continue; it will get worse. My two cents anyway
04 November 2005, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Getsum
At the risk of offending some and quite possibly being un-PC (oh no!) I have a simple solution for this senario. If they attack the police using bricks and fire and are causing conditions that could harm/kill innocents; place a bullet in thier skull. They are attempting murder, plain and simple. Kill enough of these *******s and the problem will solve itself. I don't know when people will understand this PC crap does not work. Just like here in the UK, where the yobs/thieves/rapists rule the night and the police are all but powerless, there is NO law without accountability. If I am a crimminal, and if the rare chance takes place where the police happen to stumble into me while I am commiting a crime, I KNOW the courts will give me a few hours community service. What kind of a deterrent is that?
Now play the same scenario with the ending being a bullet creasing my skull like a canoe, I now have a powerful motivating reason NOT to commit the crime. THAT'S WHAT CRIMMINALS UNDERSTAND. Until these weak dick do-gooders stop playing the games of the solicitors and criminals, it will not change. It's convenient to watch this unfold on your TV,r safely in your living room, what happens when it moves into your back yard?
Two women were raped on the main street of my small town last week, at 10:00 PM, on the sidewalk of a well lit road. Do you think the criminals were even remotely worried about being caught? I advocate people start standing up for themselves. The police will not help, trust me on this one: been there, done that. They were awfully polite but my cat would've given more of an effort to solve the crime. They are undermanned and thier hands are tied by courts who act more as criminal advocates than doing thier job of enforcing the law. I truely think its sickening to watch it happen. How do they look themselves in the mirror everyday? I guess the payoffs make it easier.
Until we fight back and let them know this will no longer be tolerated, it will continue; it will get worse. My two cents anyway
Now play the same scenario with the ending being a bullet creasing my skull like a canoe, I now have a powerful motivating reason NOT to commit the crime. THAT'S WHAT CRIMMINALS UNDERSTAND. Until these weak dick do-gooders stop playing the games of the solicitors and criminals, it will not change. It's convenient to watch this unfold on your TV,r safely in your living room, what happens when it moves into your back yard?
Two women were raped on the main street of my small town last week, at 10:00 PM, on the sidewalk of a well lit road. Do you think the criminals were even remotely worried about being caught? I advocate people start standing up for themselves. The police will not help, trust me on this one: been there, done that. They were awfully polite but my cat would've given more of an effort to solve the crime. They are undermanned and thier hands are tied by courts who act more as criminal advocates than doing thier job of enforcing the law. I truely think its sickening to watch it happen. How do they look themselves in the mirror everyday? I guess the payoffs make it easier.
Until we fight back and let them know this will no longer be tolerated, it will continue; it will get worse. My two cents anyway
Its a joke in the UK however the way so much goes in favour of the criminals.
04 November 2005, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
I don't know a lot about the French, but I don't think they brought them in as cheap labour.
i do, and they did , because basically the french are *******
04 November 2005, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by peterpeter
i do, and they did , because basically the french are *******
I mean even waiters are proud that they are waiters.
04 November 2005, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
LOL! No, seriously I'm interested in what Suresh thinks is success for the son of an immigrant.....is it having nice house/job/car/money etc, or does it go beyond that....it was a serious Q....honestly!
I guess I meant meant having integrated into society, as well as having all the material trappings (which of course are important too in the definition). Success in my life has come from hard work - beating prejudice by confronting it head on rather and dealing with it, rather than bleating about it. I count myself as English even though some here might tell me I'm a paki and others will tell me that I'm an Uncle Tom
. I laugh my **** off at British comedy, knowing full well it really is the best in the world. I have butterflies in my stomach whenever England play (apart from the time we properly stuffed Germany in 2001). At the same time, guests we invite for dinner at our house get treated to a feast of tradtional family recipes, eaten to the soundtrack of a cracking Bollywood film. Sorry about the square chapatis, though.Hope my rambling goes some way towards answering the question.
Suresh
05 November 2005, 11:06 AM
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Just hope that it does not start here on a copycat basis
05 November 2005, 03:30 PM
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And guess what someone has said on the BBC website. We need to wake up to this threat before it's too late because it's exactly what they want and will do in the future.
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The French must turn over the disputed areas to the people who live there. Only Muslim law and leaders can control this violence. Police action is only making it worse. If they would announce that Imams were in control and send the murderous police home, a new era of peace would begin.
France has been warned. Will they listen? I doubt it.
Alam, London
France has been warned. Will they listen? I doubt it.
Alam, London
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