Why do you frown at dump valves?
13 October 2005, 09:56 PM
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To all those who post on here who KNOW why vta d/v's are NOT good for Scoobs and who understand why:
Forget it lads, the chavs have taken over, and they KNOW better
They'll be telling us how to make them perform better soon, let alone make chav noises, then it'll go onto how to make one handle better, (sorry, didn't you know they don't handle as standard?), then how to remap one.
Look out, the lunatics have taken over the asylum
Alcazar
Forget it lads, the chavs have taken over, and they KNOW better
They'll be telling us how to make them perform better soon, let alone make chav noises, then it'll go onto how to make one handle better, (sorry, didn't you know they don't handle as standard?), then how to remap one.
Look out, the lunatics have taken over the asylum
Alcazar
13 October 2005, 09:58 PM
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Only ever driven one car with a dump valve. It was an imported WRX about 8 years ago. I drove that and a standard classic back to back. The import had been tweaked although I don't know how and I'm not sure what exact model it was. I made the mistake of driving the jap import first as the standard car felt pedestrian afterwards. It went like absolute hell for leather and sounded like some kind of wild animal
I'd previously had 16v Golfs, and was driving around in a 16v Clio at the time, I'd tried a friends Sierra Cosworth but nothing prepared me for this beast. I absolutely loved the sound of the dump valve it made driving the thing an event
I also decided that purchasing this beast would result in either my untimely demise or that of my driving licence. It took me two more years to save and get a brand new MY2000 classic which I couldn't afford to modify but which I loved.
I suppose the bottom line is do whatever floats your boat there seem to be all sorts of people with different cars ready to slag each other off for the slightest reason. We should at least be a bit more tolerant of each other.
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I'd previously had 16v Golfs, and was driving around in a 16v Clio at the time, I'd tried a friends Sierra Cosworth but nothing prepared me for this beast. I absolutely loved the sound of the dump valve it made driving the thing an event
I also decided that purchasing this beast would result in either my untimely demise or that of my driving licence. It took me two more years to save and get a brand new MY2000 classic which I couldn't afford to modify but which I loved.I suppose the bottom line is do whatever floats your boat there seem to be all sorts of people with different cars ready to slag each other off for the slightest reason. We should at least be a bit more tolerant of each other.
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13 October 2005, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
To all those who post on here who KNOW why vta d/v's are NOT good for Scoobs and who understand why:
Forget it lads, the chavs have taken over, and they KNOW better
They'll be telling us how to make them perform better soon, let alone make chav noises, then it'll go onto how to make one handle better, (sorry, didn't you know they don't handle as standard?), then how to remap one.
Look out, the lunatics have taken over the asylum
Alcazar
Forget it lads, the chavs have taken over, and they KNOW better
They'll be telling us how to make them perform better soon, let alone make chav noises, then it'll go onto how to make one handle better, (sorry, didn't you know they don't handle as standard?), then how to remap one.
Look out, the lunatics have taken over the asylum
Alcazar
Your right...if they want to belive the Bulls**t dished out by naff parts manfacturers and the retailers (shame on them) for pushing people to have these, only for their pure financial gain (nothing else- a £50 part for £300 FFS
). Or the literal diarrhea spouted by some halfwit reject journalist working for Max power/Fast car (or whatever) who has no clue of exactly how a engine managment system on a Impreza works (or any other car)....or in fact, the actual original concepts and design usage for the "air by-pass" valve to reduce thrust and torsional loadings which stress Turbo componenets caused by shockwaves. Unfortunately the truth has got thrown away and replaced with advertising buzzlines such as "give much more power" and "smoother throttle response" with no factual evidence to back it up.
I just pity the genuine poeple who get duped into thinking that replacing the original one gives an improvement. When it doesn't, it only causes problems.
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13 October 2005, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by EVOLUTION
a load of crap, clearly you aint driven a dealer spec WRX, if we are talking about the NEWAGE cars, let me tell you, there IS a major difference that you notice to the car when you fit a VTA D/V, and the difference is all bad.
I have just sold mine as there was definatly a decrease in performance, more lag to be exact. Now this may have only been specific to my car, but i doubt it. Why would subaru spend millions upon millions developing a RECIRCULATING system if it wasnt good???
John
I have just sold mine as there was definatly a decrease in performance, more lag to be exact. Now this may have only been specific to my car, but i doubt it. Why would subaru spend millions upon millions developing a RECIRCULATING system if it wasnt good???
John
, but i have fitted the D/V to my car and have not noticed any difference in performance or lag so it may be just your car as you did say you had to take it back to the dealer and they found a sensor was faulty.
14 October 2005, 12:52 AM
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LOL, so much anger, think some of you guys need a dump valve fitted to you
I got a mate with a scooby and another with an evo both with dump valves and they love them, I personaly don't but its totaly each to there own. I am 100% sure getting a stock motor and tuning it in any serious way is bad for its long term health over a standard "as it came out of the factory" spec car yet I think all the knowledgeable peeps on here have done that as well, I wonder whats worse for your cars health a VTA dump valve or a TD05/6 20G....... New gear box anyone?
I got a mate with a scooby and another with an evo both with dump valves and they love them, I personaly don't but its totaly each to there own. I am 100% sure getting a stock motor and tuning it in any serious way is bad for its long term health over a standard "as it came out of the factory" spec car yet I think all the knowledgeable peeps on here have done that as well, I wonder whats worse for your cars health a VTA dump valve or a TD05/6 20G....... New gear box anyone?
14 October 2005, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Could someone please enlighten me as to what is the point of asking a question, and then attacking those who give any answer other than the one you want?
Do yourself a favour: if you ask a question on here, and when you get any responses, have a look at the post count for those who've bothered to respond. A large post count means we've been around for some time. It means we have experience, probably of the VERY thing you're asking about. It means we WON'T repond with statements like "Dump valves are as cool as fukc mate get one", or other such ill-thought out crap.
It means that responses you get from us are almost certainly NOT going to end up damging yopur pride and joy, 'cos WE went through it and are telling you our experiences.
I SAY AGAIN: IF VTA DUMPVALVES WERE OF ANY USE WHATSOEVER OR DID NO DAMAGE, DO YOU NOT THINK THAT SUBARU, (WHO DESIGNED THE CAR) OR PRODRIVE, (WHO RALLY PREP THE THINGS), WOULD FIT THEM AS STANDARD OR AS PART OF AN UPRATING KIT.?
YOU HAVE HEARD OF PRODRIVE, I TAKE IT?
If you want a vta d/v, then go out and get one. Don't come on here asking your questions, and then slagging off those who KNOW better.
Rant over
Alcazar
Do yourself a favour: if you ask a question on here, and when you get any responses, have a look at the post count for those who've bothered to respond. A large post count means we've been around for some time. It means we have experience, probably of the VERY thing you're asking about. It means we WON'T repond with statements like "Dump valves are as cool as fukc mate get one", or other such ill-thought out crap.
It means that responses you get from us are almost certainly NOT going to end up damging yopur pride and joy, 'cos WE went through it and are telling you our experiences.
I SAY AGAIN: IF VTA DUMPVALVES WERE OF ANY USE WHATSOEVER OR DID NO DAMAGE, DO YOU NOT THINK THAT SUBARU, (WHO DESIGNED THE CAR) OR PRODRIVE, (WHO RALLY PREP THE THINGS), WOULD FIT THEM AS STANDARD OR AS PART OF AN UPRATING KIT.?
YOU HAVE HEARD OF PRODRIVE, I TAKE IT?
If you want a vta d/v, then go out and get one. Don't come on here asking your questions, and then slagging off those who KNOW better.
Rant over
Alcazar
14 October 2005, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by marcymarc555
Dump Valves are cool as fu ck mate, and thats final,
The problem with scoobynet is it is filled with 40yr old wrx dealer spec numptys who see anything as chav , even though they dont even know what one is.
The problem with scoobynet is it is filled with 40yr old wrx dealer spec numptys who see anything as chav , even though they dont even know what one is.
14 October 2005, 03:25 AM
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John,
Whats new!
Everyone else,
CHILL OUT PLEASE..... christ, disasters are happening all over the world and guys on here are arguing about a flaming dump valve, can we get things in to perspective.
Regards,
Shaun.
Whats new!
Everyone else,
CHILL OUT PLEASE..... christ, disasters are happening all over the world and guys on here are arguing about a flaming dump valve, can we get things in to perspective.
Regards,
Shaun.
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14 October 2005, 07:33 AM
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Shaun do you ever sleep!
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While another DV thread in general turns into a bun fight,, can anyone remember the days of constructive criticism
nope me neither lol
you got a dump valve so your a chav
you have not got one so your boring
and on and on and on and on.........................................
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While another DV thread in general turns into a bun fight,, can anyone remember the days of constructive criticism
nope me neither lol you got a dump valve so your a chav
you have not got one so your boring
and on and on and on and on.........................................
14 October 2005, 08:09 AM
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Im 22, got my standard sti 4 18 months ago. I added a 4.5inch cat-back exhaust system and some decent alloys. I then tried a nice shiney turbo xs vta dumpvalve. Yes, it made a nice loud 'look at my turbo' noise, but it also made the car idle irratically, jerky to drive and was causing the engine to over-fuel. I saw sense after just 1 month and reverted to the standard dump-valve.
I do not see vta's as a 'chav' upgrade, just a pointless upgrade with more minus points than plus points.
I do not see vta's as a 'chav' upgrade, just a pointless upgrade with more minus points than plus points.
14 October 2005, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Look out, the lunatics have taken over the asylum
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14 October 2005, 08:55 AM
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Can I just say that dump valves are for sad, childish losers with very small *******
Next time, let a mate drive your car past a few random people ...... listen to their responses - you will be surprised.
When you are in the car driving, you think they are saying, "Look at him, he's sooooo, sooooo coool" "Wow, what a man!" "I want his chilren"
When you are outside, actually listening, you will discover that the words were actually, "Look at him, he's such a dick!" "Wow, what a w4nker!" and "It's for the children!"
You are driving a grown-ups car so, grow up FFS!!
Pete
Next time, let a mate drive your car past a few random people ...... listen to their responses - you will be surprised.
When you are in the car driving, you think they are saying, "Look at him, he's sooooo, sooooo coool" "Wow, what a man!" "I want his chilren"
When you are outside, actually listening, you will discover that the words were actually, "Look at him, he's such a dick!" "Wow, what a w4nker!" and "It's for the children!"
You are driving a grown-ups car so, grow up FFS!!
Pete
14 October 2005, 09:03 AM
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Re-reading this thread in the light of day, I've noticed that at least one of the "pro-dumpvalve" posters SEEMS to think that he's fitting something the car doesn't have?
The argument is NOT about whether to FIT a dumpvalve, Subaru did that for us all when the cars were built.
The argument is about whether to change the OE Scoob RECIRCULATING dumpvalve for an aftermarket VENT TO ATMOSPHERE part.
For the record, I HAVE changed my OE recirc unit, but for a better built metal one (still recirculating type), when the car went over 300bhp. It was done on the recommendation of a RENOWNED tuner and mapper, NOT Max Power et al.
If anyone posting pro-dumpvalves (ie: pro vta d/vs) can find a RESPECTED tuner to tell me that a VTA d/v will not harm a Turbo Impreza, (any Turbo Impreza), and will, in fact increase performance, then please do so. If not................. Both Subaru, and Prodrive fit, and refit RECIRCULATING types. Ask yourselves why, when the price of an aftermarket recirc type is about the same as an aftermarket vta type? WHY do they, and others, stick to the recirc type? There HAS to be a reason. No Respected builder, mapper, or tuner does things for no reason.
My car also has an induction kit.......it has a LINK ecu, so no worries on MAF probs, and the recirc d/v CAN be heard through it, as can wastegate chatter. I do my best NOT to scare old ladies with it, honest
Lastly, a word about post count. No-one said post count endowed intelligence What a large post count IMPLIES is that we have been around some time. We have spoken to numerous other Scoob fans, both on here, and in the flesh. We have sifted myth from reality, (we hope!!). MOST of our cars have NOT gone "bang". We STILL own Scoobs and post on here.
Does that tell you something?
If not, well, fair enough.
Old, some of us may be. Unwise? I think not
Regards,
Alcazar
The argument is NOT about whether to FIT a dumpvalve, Subaru did that for us all when the cars were built.
The argument is about whether to change the OE Scoob RECIRCULATING dumpvalve for an aftermarket VENT TO ATMOSPHERE part.
For the record, I HAVE changed my OE recirc unit, but for a better built metal one (still recirculating type), when the car went over 300bhp. It was done on the recommendation of a RENOWNED tuner and mapper, NOT Max Power et al.
If anyone posting pro-dumpvalves (ie: pro vta d/vs) can find a RESPECTED tuner to tell me that a VTA d/v will not harm a Turbo Impreza, (any Turbo Impreza), and will, in fact increase performance, then please do so. If not.................
Both Subaru, and Prodrive fit, and refit RECIRCULATING types. Ask yourselves why, when the price of an aftermarket recirc type is about the same as an aftermarket vta type? WHY do they, and others, stick to the recirc type? There HAS to be a reason. No Respected builder, mapper, or tuner does things for no reason.My car also has an induction kit.......it has a LINK ecu, so no worries on MAF probs
, and the recirc d/v CAN be heard through it, as can wastegate chatter. I do my best NOT to scare old ladies with it, honestLastly, a word about post count. No-one said post count endowed intelligence
What a large post count IMPLIES is that we have been around some time. We have spoken to numerous other Scoob fans, both on here, and in the flesh. We have sifted myth from reality, (we hope!!). MOST of our cars have NOT gone "bang". We STILL own Scoobs and post on here.Does that tell you something?
If not, well, fair enough.
Old, some of us may be. Unwise? I think not
Regards,
Alcazar
14 October 2005, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by unfeasablylargegonads
LOL, so much anger, think some of you guys need a dump valve fitted to you
I got a mate with a scooby and another with an evo both with dump valves and they love them, I personaly don't but its totaly each to there own. I am 100% sure getting a stock motor and tuning it in any serious way is bad for its long term health over a standard "as it came out of the factory" spec car yet I think all the knowledgeable peeps on here have done that as well, I wonder whats worse for your cars health a VTA dump valve or a TD05/6 20G....... New gear box anyone?
I got a mate with a scooby and another with an evo both with dump valves and they love them, I personaly don't but its totaly each to there own. I am 100% sure getting a stock motor and tuning it in any serious way is bad for its long term health over a standard "as it came out of the factory" spec car yet I think all the knowledgeable peeps on here have done that as well, I wonder whats worse for your cars health a VTA dump valve or a TD05/6 20G....... New gear box anyone?
Quite a good point you have mate.
14 October 2005, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by marcymarc555
Iv only just noticed this post ,,,
Quite a good point you have mate.
Quite a good point you have mate.
), not whether we mod or not.A vta d/v will affect the engine, not the gearbox, guy. What's the gearbox got to do with owt?
Seriously..........the car already has the d/v as preferred by Subaru, Prodrive, rally teams and respected tuners. Why change it for a different TYPE? By all means change for a BETTER one, or a louder one, if that floats your boat, but a different type?
Oh, and I loved the post from someone about Subaru not fitting the best brakes, CD player, Turbo, etc. Those are choices made by them, or FOR them on cost considerations, and emissions regs. Prodrive, and others, DO change those things, (well, not the CD player
), but they DO NOT change the recirc valve for a vta one. Ask THEM why. Mike Wood posts on here. If HE says to stay with a recirc one, then that's that.........or should be for anyone who's thinking straight. You DO know who Mike is, I assume?Alcazar
14 October 2005, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Can I just say that dump valves are for sad, childish losers with very small *******
Next time, let a mate drive your car past a few random people ...... listen to their responses - you will be surprised.
When you are in the car driving, you think they are saying, "Look at him, he's sooooo, sooooo coool" "Wow, what a man!" "I want his chilren"
When you are outside, actually listening, you will discover that the words were actually, "Look at him, he's such a dick!" "Wow, what a w4nker!" and "It's for the children!"
You are driving a grown-ups car so, grow up FFS!!
Pete
Next time, let a mate drive your car past a few random people ...... listen to their responses - you will be surprised.
When you are in the car driving, you think they are saying, "Look at him, he's sooooo, sooooo coool" "Wow, what a man!" "I want his chilren"
When you are outside, actually listening, you will discover that the words were actually, "Look at him, he's such a dick!" "Wow, what a w4nker!" and "It's for the children!"
You are driving a grown-ups car so, grow up FFS!!
Pete
FPMSL!!!
Beware the ***** checker!!!
14 October 2005, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by webmaster
John,
Whats new!
Everyone else,
CHILL OUT PLEASE..... christ, disasters are happening all over the world and guys on here are arguing about a flaming dump valve, can we get things in to perspective.
Regards,
Shaun.
Whats new!
Everyone else,
CHILL OUT PLEASE..... christ, disasters are happening all over the world and guys on here are arguing about a flaming dump valve, can we get things in to perspective.
Regards,
Shaun.
Cool! A 'Flaming dump valve'...........
Could this be the next 'Chav invention'? Combining the two most apparently chav things on a scoob into one ultimate chav accessory..........
Wow, I put the word chav three times into one sentence! Chavtastic!
You do have a very valid point Shaun. There are so many awfull things happening in the world, if dump valves are all we have to worry about then we are sorted!
14 October 2005, 11:23 AM
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oooo a Heated debate
IMHO , if ya want a VTA, have one. I wont call anyone chav for having one.
I DONT CARE if u wanna make lovley noises.
But if its all the same, this numpty 40+ geezer will stick with a recirc thank you very much, I have listened and believe the more wizened ( and maybe other 40+ numpties on here ) and believe what is said about the effects it can have.
Dont ask me to quote the effects, coz i'm a numpty 40+ and memory aint too good these days . LMFAO...
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IMHO , if ya want a VTA, have one. I wont call anyone chav for having one.
I DONT CARE if u wanna make lovley noises.
But if its all the same, this numpty 40+ geezer will stick with a recirc thank you very much, I have listened and believe the more wizened ( and maybe other 40+ numpties on here ) and believe what is said about the effects it can have.
Dont ask me to quote the effects, coz i'm a numpty 40+ and memory aint too good these days . LMFAO...
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14 October 2005, 11:30 AM
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Scoobynet at its best!
SO much Love for eachother on here.
This is possibly one of the most amusing threads for quite some time.
I do have a VTA dump Valve on my V5 Type R........Had two HKS ones on my 300ZX. Personal choice really, if you dont like them, point taken but I think slating people for it is a little harsh.....
I have spent about 25K on my car (not including the car) and i dont think its chavvy at all. Infact i'm a bit tired of the expression now. Ooh Ooh I have 19Inch wheels too does that make me a chav?
Blimey, I await a harsh response from someone? PS Lewis perhaps you will take up the task?
SO much Love for eachother on here.
This is possibly one of the most amusing threads for quite some time.
I do have a VTA dump Valve on my V5 Type R........Had two HKS ones on my 300ZX. Personal choice really, if you dont like them, point taken but I think slating people for it is a little harsh.....
I have spent about 25K on my car (not including the car) and i dont think its chavvy at all. Infact i'm a bit tired of the expression now. Ooh Ooh I have 19Inch wheels too does that make me a chav?
Blimey, I await a harsh response from someone? PS Lewis perhaps you will take up the task?
14 October 2005, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Yeah, good point, but irrelavent...........the original post asks about why people frown on dump valves (assuming vta valves ), not whether we mod or not.
A vta d/v will affect the engine, not the gearbox, guy. What's the gearbox got to do with owt?
Seriously..........the car already has the d/v as preferred by Subaru, Prodrive, rally teams and respected tuners. Why change it for a different TYPE? By all means change for a BETTER one, or a louder one, if that floats your boat, but a different type?
Oh, and I loved the post from someone about Subaru not fitting the best brakes, CD player, Turbo, etc. Those are choices made by them, or FOR them on cost considerations, and emissions regs. Prodrive, and others, DO change those things, (well, not the CD player ), but they DO NOT change the recirc valve for a vta one. Ask THEM why. Mike Wood posts on here. If HE says to stay with a recirc one, then that's that.........or should be for anyone who's thinking straight. You DO know who Mike is, I assume?
Alcazar
), not whether we mod or not.A vta d/v will affect the engine, not the gearbox, guy. What's the gearbox got to do with owt?
Seriously..........the car already has the d/v as preferred by Subaru, Prodrive, rally teams and respected tuners. Why change it for a different TYPE? By all means change for a BETTER one, or a louder one, if that floats your boat, but a different type?
Oh, and I loved the post from someone about Subaru not fitting the best brakes, CD player, Turbo, etc. Those are choices made by them, or FOR them on cost considerations, and emissions regs. Prodrive, and others, DO change those things, (well, not the CD player
), but they DO NOT change the recirc valve for a vta one. Ask THEM why. Mike Wood posts on here. If HE says to stay with a recirc one, then that's that.........or should be for anyone who's thinking straight. You DO know who Mike is, I assume?Alcazar
14 October 2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by unfeasablylargegonads
I think it is realy as simple as people love the "Phssssssssst" sound and some don't, hence the arguments. I think it should be clear by now that the performance aspect is not the main driver behind fitting a VTA dump valve by the masses and never will be again
(I would have LOVED to keep Subaru's ecu, but it was of the age car that couldn't be remapped properly).
All that people like me are trying to do is to ensure that others know what trouble they might be buying when they fit a vta dumpvalve. I asked, when I first had my car, and got the same reponse as I'm giving now.
If folk then go on to have one anyway, that's their choice and their lookout.
Alcazar
14 October 2005, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Luke C
I do have a VTA dump Valve on my V5 Type R........Had two HKS ones on my 300ZX. Personal choice really, if you dont like them, point taken but I think slating people for it is a little harsh.....
Fair enough if you like that sort of thing. However most people will think you are a wally when they hear you psssshh by. fact of life really.
14 October 2005, 12:35 PM
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I have an uprated recirc on my car. But with the induction mods I have it sounds like a VTA.
Oh the embarresment.
Oh the embarresment.
14 October 2005, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Twood
Something i not understanding amongst scoobys is why so many people slate dump valves and classify those who do have one? I really don't get it or understand it, please enlighten me!
14 October 2005, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
It can be heard because I've got an induction kit.
I personally like the way a decent vta performs (ie HKS SSQV). Cant be arsed getting into the ins and outs of it all again though.
14 October 2005, 01:04 PM
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Didn't know Subaru or Prodrive fitted induction kits?
Of course they don't, BUT: I didn't have much option with my particular model when it came to more power/remap, and the mapper recommended an induction kit, since the MAF is now redundant.
Had it not been fitted with the LINK ecu, and had the mapper not been respected, no way would I have touched an induction kit. As you probably realise
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