Frazer

Rekon mine is a touch quicker than Chris' now (since I fitted my Maxogen), interesting you say you can pan a 182 ask Saxo boy on here what I did to his S2000 and also my pal with his Alfa 156 GTA. Wait till its got some 'proper' mods on it next month though :-)

Frazer

Yeah and with 260 hp you won't be any faster than a Clio Cup with filter/exhaust/chip below 120, and where the Clio will still do 34 mpg getting hammered you will struggle to see 20 mpg. A Clio with cams/head/inlet/de-cat/filer/re-map might 'only' kick out 210 hp but would be every bit as quick as a 280 + hp 225 to silly speeds.

meganesport.net

well I guess we'd have to get them on the 1/4 mile to decide that. Seeing as the 225 has the same 0-60 and a fater 0-100 time as a clio cup I cant really see how a modded cup would keep up with a 260bhp megane. Granted the megs mpg might end up nearer what a scoob STI's would but there are other advantages to tuning a 225, the main one being that you dont look like a boy racer

meganesport.net

oh and the fact that you spent 400 quid rather than 4 grand on the mods leaves a lot spare for the extra petrol the meg would use

Frazer

I'm saying a 172 Cup with a panel filter (30£), de-cat (90£), R Sport ECU (£250) and a Magnex (£300) would most likely be quicker 0-100 than a 260 hp 225. My car with that spec did 14.2@101. If you spend 4 k on Clio Cup your talking about of the above plus Maxogen, cams, head, inlet and a re-map and your going to need 285 + to beat that in a 225.

How much HP is the standard 225 turbo good for?

Mark A

iTrader: (1)

Well my mate bought the race/track Clio 16v off E-Bay, so looks like I might be racing that next week till the scooby is fixed

Mark A

meganesport.net

seriously? my standard 225 did the 1/4 mile in like 14.8 and I'm not the worlds best driver either with 260bhp on tap I dont think you understand just how fast it will be. I'd estimate sub 14 1/4 mile times even with me driving

If you spend 4k on a cup believe me your wasting about 3 grand of it. Like I say my m8 had all the heads and cams done and they were no better than the ones that it came out of the factory with.

I'm not getting all manly and butch about it lol but by next 1/4 mile season my 225 should be runningn a remap, intercooler filter and decat. TBH the only clio I'll be worrying about is that 365 audi engined one which as a member of cliosport which I'm assuming you must be you will know about!

meganesport.net

oh re the bhp the standard turbos good for we have a tuning outfit claiming 290 bhp off the standard turbo using a modified deisel tuning box! Not the route I would take myself but apparently theres 1 in the uk and 10 or so in norway or wherever they make them

davegtt

Blimy, high hopes there mate. You have to remember, more power and front wheel drive, you claim your not the worlds best driver so getting of the line will be hard. its not like pulling of a set of traffic lights on the road. .8 of a second is ALOT of time to make up on the 1/4mile. its the difference between an average car and a good car.... 40bhp isnt that much more. what torque will you see from them mods?

Hol

iTrader: (1)

I had one of their race engines in my car running off an 84R. Went well, but suffered damage.

If I recall, there was another GTT tuner in Kent, near Brands Hatch way (5Alive?), was good for some parts but I dont think they did the 16V stuff.

Mark. Is it the car down in Aylesford? I was considering it for a Nurburgring car for next year, but I was not going to move house quick enough to store it.
It looked a good deal and local.

davegtt

yup heard of 5Alive aswell, more of a breaker than a tuner.... these are all old names and dont get mentioned too much in the modern day tuning

Hol

iTrader: (1)

They were good for bored out carbs, but that was about all.

I picked up with some old friends on the Retault Turbo stand at Trax and was amazed at how the power and fuelling has come on with the GTT's. There were loads with injection systems.

Some to highjack the thread BTW.

Frazer

Your dreaming if you think you can get a 225 below 14 secs 1/4 mile with 260 hp. LCR 225 with a claimed 280 hp struggle to get below mid 14's.

It depends who you get to do your head work but there are 182/172 with 205-210 hp and 175-185 lbft with the usual mods + cams/head/inlet work. I know Matt's 172 didn't go as planned but im not using the same tuner as him.

davegtt

aye, but when you see a reno 5 doing 11.4 consistenty up santa pod with a carb not fuel injection thats something you wont be forgetting in a hurry.... Just think, that'd blow away 90% of the impreza on here quite EASILY using 15year old (probably more) technology.... amazing really when you think about it. still a 1.4 engine too

Mark A

iTrader: (1)

Hi Hol yeah that the one, Jon (Police & racing driver!) took me for a proper spin was amazed at the noise and the pick up. Sounded like a bike engined car.

Mark A

Billgtt

Dave, if you're refering to Andy's car then it is running EFI

So what gtt are you thinking of snapping up now, not Jake's by any chance is it?

meganesport.net

well if my standard 225 did 14.8 that would suggest that the driver of a leon 225 with 280 brake was probably setting off in third. I'm not getting into one of these cliosport esque figure quoting arguments, its a fact that you cant get proper power out of a 172 without TBs or a turbo. Like I say if you want to spunk 4 grand to get a supposed 210 bhp go for it but I'll be happy with my £400 remap and an extra 40 brake, thats before even touching internals and intercoolers and stuff like that. Dont get me wrong I love clios but they are a dead end ad far as tuning goes if you want real power.

Frazer

Go on www.seatcupra.net and ask over there 260-280 hp LCR's struggle to get below mid 14's. You really are deluded if you think you can get a sub 14 1/4 mile with 260 hp. I'd rather spend 3 k tuning my existing car than buying a new 225 and losing 5k as soon as ive driven it out of the dealers.

I know your not going to get "big" power out of a 172 but 200-210 hp in a car that weighs 1021 kg goes a long way!

meganesport.net

dude come on dont lower the tone by starting name calling its a bit childish dont you think?

R1916v

No offence to Nick Hill, but if I was wanting to tune a 172 lump I wouldn't take it to Hillpower. They are good with the old school engines as you say (t eold F7P/R), but the same tricks don't work on a 172 lump.

Ben R at Angel works has got the inlet work down to a tee, this really is one of the engines weak spots. Good work there backed up with a remap really does help.

But all this starts to add up, and that's why I doubt I'll change a thing on mine as I'd rather save the cash for a faster car in the first place.

If I was your mate I'd have asked for his money back

Daz34

Ben is doing a deal on the Inlet manifold at the moment.
£126 inc fitting IIRC

R1916v

Yeah, pity I can't get up there lol.

That's jsut fo rthe "mild" rework isn't it? He does a more full on one but they need the manifold there for longer, plus he recommends a remap which = more cash

CJAF7R

as for megane and LCR times up the strip, they may have good BHP but they weigh a fair bit more than the clio's do dont forget!

whats a LCR weigh? 1400kg? and the megane the same? cups weigh just over a ton, and there are a few knocking about with about 200bhp from a few mods.

as for no other clios than the TT clio beatin ya up the strip, ill race u in my mk1 16v if you want..???

Frazer

Name calling? I said your deluded which you are if you think a turbo'd FWD car which weighs 1355kg and only has 260 hp can do sub 14 1/4 miles. I'd love you to prove me wrong though as I really like the 225 (full fat one with Cup packs would be my choice) and would consider it as a potential next car.

meganesport.net

just a bit of evidence to prove my stable mental state

http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

weight 1355
power 260
gives you a 1/4 mile time of 14.09 so I'm near enough not to be deluded I rekon.

as the old saying goes theres no replacement for displacement....apart from a turbo and 13psi of boost

CJAF7R

strip it

but with regards to the LCR's i've only ever seen em run in the 14's revo'd

iv only raced k-tecs 225 at pod, and did beat it but he did run 14.2 later that day i believe! it is modded tho, but still a good time!

Frazer

Oh yeah very scientific, also it says 14.09 which isn't sub 14.

meganeport.net

thank you!

ktec are at the same stage as me, their remap is fuelling only ans they havent cracked the boost yet due to the ecu having a cutoff at 11 psi. My tuner has disabled the cutoff on my ecu so we are close to upping the boost after some testing as it is now. Ktecs also has an intercooler and zorst but again proving my point their whole package would cost less than a grand. Not bad to lop a second off your 1/4 mile time

fazer that site is quite accurate, and using maths to calculate a 1/4 mile time using weight and power I would say that is scientific! put your figures in, you get your 13.8 with 210 bhp so whats the problem?

am I still deluded? I'd say I was nearer to been right than been deluded wouldnt you?

davegtt

Appologies Bill, didnt realise he had EFI on it. hmm.

Oh well, yes Jakes is a potentiol car but its gonna be gone soon and I need to sell the pink 1 before I can buy another. so Im considering a std ph2 with some major engine works. got the need for speed now lol

I agree though lads, I think with "just" 260bhp your pushing it for a 13second pass... your gonna have to get a perfect start on the line and I just dont see it happening Im afriad. go for it though, good to have something to aim for. Im thinking 14.4 myself.

My mate took his LCR to get revo'd about 2 months ago and took it to Santa Pod, hes a pretty good driver and only managed a 14.4 IIRC. now thats a decent time but he was running 280bhp and 280lbs of torque IIRC so I'll be suprised if you can lug that tank over the line under 14seconds.... good luck to ya though

p.s. according to that site I should be pulling a 12.8 1/4 mile... I did 3 or 4 runs at the pod and didnt better 13.5 so its not that accurate.

davegtt

LOL... not sure if I see an exhaust and IC knocking a full second of the SQM.... I think KTEC probably had some raised boost pressure in there and knowing David Kirk hes a bit better than the average driver IMO