compshack

So a euro import will cost circa £22k. What mods will be needed and a rough price to bring it upto 400/400?

Trout

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I think that any car that can do a sub-8 minute circuit of the 'Ring is pretty hardcore - and the MY05 Spec C did just that - that is a test of real world, bumpy twisty road capability. All with a measly 276bhp (ish).

As a reference here is what evo thinks - not the bible - but an Impreza friendly mag that drives a lot of performance cars...something to think about...

Evo FQ400 + Blistering performance - Wild, but NOT as usable as the FQ340

Evo FQ340 +Massive power, calmer chassis - FQ 320 almost as quick, £3k less

Evo FQ320 +Even faster and fiercer (than FQ300) - Even pricier

Evo FQ300 +Extra pace, extra attitude - STANDARD EVO is better value


So, if you follow the logic, then the basic car is the one to have All those aftermarket, sorry UK factory fitted, bits don't really justify the value

Which I guess is borne out by the purchase figures

Daves99

I have to agree on the BHP issue if VW are producing a 1.4 @ 168bhp for end of next year, nearly half the displacment of the new WRX, then an extra 5PS from a 2.5l is a bit poor. Christ even vauxhall can get 240 in the astra for god sake, and before I get fried, I know its not the same thing but.


I was looking for the WRX @ 240bhp and the 6 speed box

STI @ 300bhp

Specials @ 350bhp

I don't think the above numbers are to over the top for any of the cars, and as its been pointed out, that still leaves plenty of room for prodrive to do their bit as well

Just my 2 peneth

Dave

DBY

Just shows you what Evo mag knows about Evo's LOL all MR 300/320/340/400 have the same chassis, only 400 has Alcon front brakes and black painted wheels.
MR 300 was the best bet as Ecutek & 3 inch exhaust and de cat will give you 360 bhp.

John

Gangsta Smurf

I enjoy every second of driving my WR1 ... it gets tracked regularly and it's performance is sensational.

My argument is that if I want to change to the new STi ... which I did want to before I saw what it looked like ... I would at least expect a base minimum of 330+ bhp in standard format before the PPP taking it to around 380.

I have loved everything about subaru up until this point. I now find myself forced out towards mitsi because they subaru have stopped delivering awesome performance cars. These cars aren't rumble along the motorway at 85 cars they are over the top and totally impractical performance saloons, which is the way they should stay. In Japan they get the Spec C V Limited, S203 and various other performance versions. Over here we get a watered down 2.5ltr which will get taken by an Audi S3 ... all to please the cardigan crew who think that 280bhp is a manageable bhp and safe bhp. Safe and manageable are not what subaru used to be about. It's now all about the boring ******* who never take the car above 4500rpm and spend more time polishing the car and talking about it's engine to their jealous neighbours than driving it properly and exploring what their £30,000 can actually do.

Mikey Ace

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ditto - SPOT ON...


then again, 400+ ponies in an Aston sounds nice.... I'm just saying is all......

the mitsi looks a little plain jane to me, never really gone for them, they used to have a real individual perspective in the version 5 - u know, the big chunky ones, but thats gone in favour of the newer sleeker sainsburys trolley....

being bold often doesn't win many day 1 fans, but over time, the more controvertial designs become "iconic" in many ways....

So - anyone remembr the ambassador or princess... iconic shapes them LOL...

FWIW - I'd but a 2.5 sti in black or blue today if i had the dough - I'd take off that rear window spoiler .... but that's about it....

Mikey

Rvolution

I agree with the above statement, we're long overdue the Ltd editions from Japan, the S203's are awesome and I'm sure if they were officially brought over in low numbers people would buy them.
I think Subaru forget about the 22B type UK, it was a great marketing and PR exercise and they all sold out........does that not tell them something??!!??
I bought one and it was amazing.

Never driven a WR1 - are they really that good and quick??
As for MY06, we need 340 bhp + 330 lbft plus to make it a credible alternative to the EVO brigade and to surpass the WR1.
However I would never cross the bridge to Mitsi land, (big respect for them though), very tempted to get a UK '06 STI as the next demo, but after driving a 22B the Spec-C's look a more rewarding car, albeit not 2.5ltr which will have lots more scope for future mods.
As for the show and shine brigade, its horses for corses and what ever makes you tick. I was like that years ago and won a trophy or 2 but I found it became a chore after a while and these cars really do need their ***** whipped every now and again to keep them running sweet and decoked!!!!!
I'm not sure if they are all "sad" -but I know Muddy very well and he's gone totally sad!!!!! LOL

Personally I'm now thinking of a used WR1 or a MY05 Spec-C against getting another "latest model" and losing lots of £££££££'s.......again!!!!.....it will be my 9th....ouch!!!
Any suggestions would help :-)))))

Glenn

Trout

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If the WR1 is sensational how have Subaru stopped building performance cars?

The car the WR1 is based on has less power than the new 2.5 Sti. The WR1 is as much a special like a Spec V Limited as any other car. And I am sure there will be a new equivalent of the WR1 once Prodrive can get a hold of the new Sti.

Oh, and if you want a Spec C V limited for under 30k look here Although a standard Spec C will be just as quick and does without the special edition interior and the adjustable suspension.

http://www.litimports.co.uk/subaru/my06/specc.asp

Rannoch

PS And the new Spec C is better and quicker than a WR1 - and it only has an EJ20

New_scooby_04

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Where have you been these last 10 years Gangsta? It's exactly what Subaru UK has been about, Safe, usable, practical performance cars. That's why they sell so well! If you look at the advertising its the symetrical 4wd, grip and traction that is majored on....then you get a "btw it's also got x amount of horsepower and can take you to 60 in under 6 seconds etc"...

THEN you get the special editions that provide the "Banzai" effect, but they are still safe and managable. Subaru know that it has to build all rounders, that's always been what has distinguished it from the more hardcore Mitsus.

You pays your money you tkaes your chioice, but I'm betting that the 2.5 will be a VERY satisfying road car and be eminently tune-able to a safe and totally reliable 350bhp. Beyond that, its really a law of diminishing returns for a road car.

I think you'll find only PS lewis doesn't take his car above 4500rpm

NS04

john banks

compshack - turbo (eg TD06H-20G) £1000, fuel pump £130, injectors £350, full exhaust £500, remap £500. You could save the injectors and have a cheaper TD05H-20G with a bit of a saving about about 375 BHP and 375 lbft if you wanted to. Could consider a manifold and induction if you wanted but I don't think it is absolutely necessary.

T5NYW

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John Banks,
I have been told that the basic USDM 2.5Ltr "Package" that will be fitted to the UK/EU Sti Cars will not lend itself to being tweaked by to much

And that a 2Ltr JDM engine retro fitted with a 2.5ltr bottom end will be far superior in performance and reliabilty stakes.

Is this correct ?

Tony

DvNT

Try being happy with what you get for a change!

john banks

The JDM heads do flow a bit better, but if you look on NASIOC you will see USDM STIs running about double the standard outputs with unopened engines with bolt on goodies like rotated turbo kits (I mean a complete setup with induction, turbo, intercooler, pipework, headers, uppipe, downpipe, exhaust, fuel pump, injectors, engine management and if silly torque - a clutch). Essentially just a lot more air and fuel, not rocket science. In essence, 400 BHP is easily achieved and beyond this I think the driveability and power band suffer anyway.

It is uncomplicated to take a Euro STI present model, fling in an EJ257 block, TD06H-20G, headers, exhaust, injectors, fuel pump and map and get over 400 BHP.

My old TD05H-20G setup did 434 BHP and 395 lbft with 10% methanol (would do the same with some NF) with cylinder heads from a P1. I doubt the EJ257 heads are miles behind.

Even the crappest cylinder heads don't seem to prevent 400 BHP being achieved on the right turbo.

Martin2005

Give me £47k to spend on a car and I'd buy something decent!

New_scooby_04

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Do tell

NS04

Trout

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Cayman S


But it only comes with 295bhp as standard which seems really unfair as Porsche have engines that can be far more powerful than that. In fact I think that it is a complete waste of money when I can spend £89k and have a turbo, but then I could spend £300k and have the GT...

New_scooby_04

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Only if there are no Speedbumps in your area!!

REVOLUTION

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MEEEOOOWWW
Never happy!!!!!, that's the beauty of cars and being an enthusiast always looking for the next "best model"......... BLAH BLAH BLAH.........
LOL
Glenn

wide

I like -oops!

TonyBurns

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Hmmmm seems the 2.5 isnt getting quite the warm reception most thought it would do, so what did people expect? 350bhp out of the box?
Also if you want a performance scoob, go the JDM way, they are MORE powerful out of the box than the Evo, so less of this "evo 400 blah" stuff eh?
It seems that you just cannot keep some people happy, well watch your tax bracket shoot though the roof when they start changing it for cars above 2ltr, then you will be complaining

Tony

p1doc

i see the 2.5l engine as a base engine and better to tune than a 2.0l,of course subaru are going to aim "lowish" on their bhp as prodrive have to be able to modify it safely with ppp with a 3 year warranty-you cannot expect subaru to put out a 350bhp engine as a base-they only sold 500 wr1's with loads changing hands for whatever reason-that shows subaru there is a small market for a "top end model"-i am sure they made much more money on the basic sti with prodrive options,that is and will be their bread and butter.

i drove evo 8 mr 320-faster than my scooby but no burble even worse interior than subaru! and i just did not like it,edinburgh evo 400 only got 347 bhp on dyno during a test drive by a potential customer and the lag asa passenger unless in the powerband was not driveable and frustrating. mitsubishi will make more extreme faster models in much smaller numbers than the subaru which appeals to a wider ie more profitable market
martin

T5NYW

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Thanks John,
perhaps that's more like what I was told easier to g to that route

Tony

highlander68k

There is a market - every WR1 sold before it was on sale!

The problem it wasn't any better than a JDM STi - so what was the real point of releasing it? If they had made it extreme, people would have held onto them. People soon realised this when they received them and were a bit miffed.

RichS

The Daniella perhaps?

Gangsta Smurf

wouldn't worry about Martin's (p1cock, sorry doc) post. The geezer has a major chip on his shoulder about WR1s so will use any opportunity to put in a little dig about them.

Oh and nothing is ever going to be better than his TSL333 ... its the best car in the entire world! Evo FQ400 ... pah! His will keep up for sure!

cannyboy

I've been driving the 2.5 for the last year and trust me, the increased torque will shut everyone up.

Gangsta Smurf

Is this a UK car, i.e. the new subaru in question, or a modified variant, i.e. import?? How have you had one for a year?

How will the torque shut people up if the change is only negligible as compared to an STi PPP?

Not having a go just querying.

New_scooby_04

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I Wish my user ID was as inventive as "P1Cock"

Did I type that out loud!?!!?

Gangsta Smurf

trust me you don't want to turn into anthing like that guy!

cannyboy

Should have mentioned - driving a US model for 1 year now - the 2.5 is a big improvement. Compared to the evo I drove, the 2.5 pulls really hard from low down and just keeps on coming. You can just put the boot down in any gear and she just goes.
Quiet why the are claiming 289 for the UK when the US engine has being putting down 300/300 for two years now I am not sure - considering US fuel is suppose to have lower octane levels.

Thow on Cobb AP(http://cobbtuning.com/sti/power-s.html) and your pushing 350 easy.
And how much more do you really need in day to day driving in reality, before improving your driving skill makes more of an impression that tuning......