Can see where he is coming from though, a Manual would have been way better than a auto in this type of car

 

I lost all respect for you when you moved from a Scooby























Look forward to seeing it, hopefully before you sell it of course

 

I think you think of me as more of a petrol head driver than I actually am

I spend most of my time on motorways, and I'm happy with a 15 minute Nurburgring time

Coming out off the CSL which was SMG, I just didn't want another car with a stick. The manual might be quicker, might be more of a drivers car, but these days I'd rather turn up my James Blunt CD and light another ciggy

If I was the stig, completely see your point, 100% manual all the way. But the amount of times I actually 'go for it' these days is slim. I just love cars, love being behind the wheel, love being in Europe.

When I got SMG in the first M3 I didn't miss sticks atall, I know that it's basically a manual box, but to be honest I left it in drive most of the time. Sure I have blasts through the country and switched over to padles, but 75% of my time was motorways!

It might not be for me, in which case the GT3 is next on my list, but I've got 12 days on Friday to put it through it's paces on a drive from UK > Ring > Switzerland, so when I get back I will be able to tell you what I think of it.

Then I'll probably post some pics of my GT3

 

 

I'm not so sure on the 911 TURBO

It's in the market place as a luxury super car, not a track car, thats the GT3.

The 911 Turbo is too heavy to be a track car, it's all about leather, computers, classical music, but at the same time getting from A > B as fast as possible.

If you really want a drivers porker you buy the GT3.

The Turbo, with it's 4wd system, and tiptronic option is not the porker you want to choice if you want a track weapon.

And that is the reason why I wanted it, when the snow starts to set in around the Black Forest, I still want to reach my desination, something which the CSL or M3 for that matter couldn't do.

I'm in complete aggreement that a true drivers car should have a stick, yes 100%, but I'm not that driver.

If I was, and if that's want I wanted the GT3 would be on my drive.

SO yes aggree with you about the stick, but disaggree with you that 'I' made the wrong choice

 

But still, a auto is not much easier to drive on the motorway as you would be keeping it in the same gear anyway, all you have done with a Auto is make it even more lardy and slower, but hey it still not exactly slow looking forward to seeing it, and after all your driving it so choose whatever you want like the GT3 idea though

 

Well the tiptronis S does still have the option to change gear whenever you like, so it's not like I'm 100% restricted.

There are + & - here on both counts, Adam is coming at it from a purely drivers view point, where I am coming at it from a Touring viewpoint.

I think the manual is 9.3 to 100, and the Tiptronic is 10.4, so yes the manual is the quicker car, but I'm sure I'll cope with 10.4

 

You Barsteward!!

Enjoy it mate!!

Take it easy at the ring!

All the best.

Paul.

 

Steve, I'd be interested to know how the SMG compares to the 'manual' setting of the tiptronic ie are the up/down changes of the tip as fast as the SMG?
I was quite impressed by the SMG and was wondering whether the tip was as good.

The tip/switch on my AMG is awful!!

Cheers
Deep

 

No worries Deep I will let you know what it's like when I get back.

Are you still looking around for a 911tt / CSL ?

 

Not a CSL for a few reasons even though I think its a great car.

TT maybe, if I can bring myself to spend the money! I've become a real tight **** as I've got older.

Cheers

 

Wierd, in the turbo I drove it actually changed pretty fast, all be it more smooth than SMG.

Maybe it's because the turbo has enough power to be able to get away with tiptronic?

 

Here is a good manual vs tiptronic thread.

Seems to me really is each to their own on this argument.

Makes an interesting read:-

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...48&t=87025&h=0

Personally, I'm so used to SMG now, going back to manual would be strange. Like Adam says, I must be an old man, I think he's correct!

 

I have driven both, but I ended up with the manual because of familiarity. I had never had an "auto" as such before.

An auto/tip is definitely a more relaxing drive, both around town and on the motorway - just relax and let the 'box sort out which gear is best. Alternatively you can change down using the buttons before an overtake maneuvure, and when slowing down for roundabouts. It is (nearly) the best of both worlds.

 

Thanks

I'm more than happy with an 'auto' box like the SMG. Even though not perfect it allows really aggressive gear changes up and down. I really caned a M3 (non CSL) down some back roads and found the SMG suited me, allowed me to be a hooligan without pumping the life out of my left foot.

It sounds like the tip might be more 'slushy' like my car rather than sharp and aggressive like the SMG?

 

Oh - and I also have a car with tiptronic which I much prefer over long distances than the manual

 

Can't say I found that on the test drive. It was not as harsh as the SMG changes, but I definatly wouldn't say 'slushy'.

On kick down it nearly pushed me through my seat

I really think it's just down to what you want to the car for, if it's a weekend toy / track car - go manual. If it's a every day car and a European Cruiser go Tiptronic.

I'd image the 4.6 0-60 time of the manual is with them really giving it all in 1st gear. In real world I would not want to put my gearbox through that, so I'd imagine tip will be just as quick. IMO

But this time in 10 days I will off done about 2,000 miles in her, so will be more quailified on the subject

 

Adam's a driver?

 

Good. Let us know when you get back

Deep

 

I tried both on my C4 and took the tip, still think it was the right decision, you're of course entitled you your opinion .

 

I'm suprised Hawk hasn't turned up to tell us his car is faster

 

Deep, interested to know the reasons.

Currently considering a CSL or TT or GT3 later this year...

Nevetas, what were your thoughts on the CSL?

 

After 3 hours of ownership

Accelaration:- Awesum

Tiptronic S:- It's for me, can understand Adam's point, but for my needs, this is the way to go.

Sound System:- Rocking!

Exhaust Note:- CSL Blows the Turbo Away, but I am still awaiting my sports exhaust.

Looks: Stunning

Brakes: Not as good, but then again I had full AP set up on the CSL.

Do I prefer it over the CSL?




















Yes

Off to the ring, see you in 10 days

Fromage / Fozzy: Hope to see you at Lakeside

 

Few piccies (from my phone rubbish quaility)

http://tinyurl.com/bc8be

 

See you there mate!

Just seen the pics....YOU ARE A GIT!

 

Never mind the turbo....what about the csl?

 

don't ask his opinion, he drives an auto! what does he know about cars?

 

 

That looks like OPC Porsche Silverstone