Sub97

Thanks for all your help guys.

I've bought a Red Type R with AC from Honda in Northampton. Pick it up next Friday - can't wait

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

Dont wanna buy some pukka red mates taylor made for it do you, they where in my ctr for about a month.

Also have some nice rear lights.

what would scooby do

I went from a Scoob STI Type R to a civic CTR and found it a very compromised car, any bumps or wetness and it was all over the place. Get cought out in the wrong gear and a milk float will pass you. My origin blue speed trap detector would jump out of its cradle of you ran over a piece of fluff on the road.

Yah it was fun, better suited to the track than road, ended up with a BMW 330CI sport, faster, so much better equiped and cheaper to run.

misty

My sentiments entirely mate. I got a 330i se though.......but I am a grandad!!
dave

super6four

Hmmm get cought out in the wrong gear in any car and a milk float will pass you, that is why it's the 'the wrong gear'

I have been cought out in our sti, off boost in the wrong gear before, it's even more sluggish than our civic, I do agree on the ride however the lack of a diff on the UK car is unforgivable. What helps is swapping the tyres to Toyos, slightly softer, and much grippier in the wet. Of course going from an STI R, to a 2ltr N/A car is not gonna feel torquey, there isn't a 2ltr petrol N/A that wont feel like that (not counting Diesels)...unless it weighs next to nothing. Compared to pretty much everything in it's class it has comp-arable if not more torque.

Sideways, the way forward

Really???? have owned a CTR (liked it but nothing special) now own P1, looking for a slightly cheaper car to run. is the 330ci sport much better in this respect?

Dai-Tec

Civic R, its not a bad car to be honest, quite nippy, but kinda hard comparing it with much more expensive cars like the 330i.

For the money and engine type (2 litre NA), I don't think anything comes close to it. If you know how to drive it properly, it can be quite surprisingly fast as well.

Ru55e11

I currently own a standard 51 civic type r and have done for the past 18 months. Good car in lots of ways, not so good in others.

Its up for sale soon as in a few days time I collect my new car, a standard 2001 bugeye wrx. The reason for the change is because of family circumstances i.e. I need four doors and five seat belts although I'm quite looking forward to living with 4wd and turbo power.

What does concern me however is the various horror stories I've read about the massive jump in running costs when going from type r to wrx. Are the costs really that different?

I own both cars outright so theres no outstanding debt. A years road tax is the same, my insurance will go up about £200 a year(£700 to £900) and as I only do around 10,000 miles a year I'd be looking at a service every 12 months with either car. Fuel consumption will drop to 20-25mpg(as I understand it) from 25-30mpg and tyres & brakes seem around the same price.

So on paper at least theres not a great deal in it. Am I missing something?

<Russ>

p.s. Hello all! My first post on a great site!

dexter

Russ, as far as I can see, you haven`t missed a thing mate.

I`ve gone from a facelift CTR, to a new standard WRX, and, apart from insurance (which for me is only an extra £100 a year), there`s no difference in running costs. The Scoob is identical to my CTR on petrol (for me at any rate), at 24 around town, and more on the M-way.

I don`t think anyone can complain at that for a car that performs like the Scooby.

PhilA

one on SIDC cheap with only 6K on the clock. not sure on air con though.

p1mark

i have a P1, the missus a 52 CTR, and we both drive each others cars regularly.

the things i really despised about the CTR were made miles beter by getting shot of the o.e bridgestone potenzas and putting toyos on. namely awful wet weather grip, steering which always felt as though it was pulling even though geometry was spot on (this is a common fault), and truly awful steering feedack (makes this better, but not a total cure).

the jarring and banging over the estate road potholes is very similiar to the P1, i.e not ideal but liveable with. the price you pay for having a sports car thats all.

the engine is a little gem. its strangely forfilling to have to reap that much abuse on something to get anywhere quickly.

the build quality is miles better than a classic scoob, and its a honda so it will be mega reliable.

running and servicing is miles cheaper than the P1, but the performance and handling of the scoob is in another league.

TheJesus

drove my mates CTR a few times and yes, can confirm that they are great in the respect you dont really have to have any mechanical sympathy for them, just rev the ****** til you hear it bouncing off the limiter everywhere. thing I found most disapointing though was the lack of 'feel' and it felt dog slow when driving, but very very quick in the passenger seat

davedipster

A clio 172 has more torque! and my sti has more on tickover

TheJesus

why are people so caught up about torque? Turbo diesels have a load of it, but it makes a slow car 'feel' quick, dont get me wrong, it's a good thing to have, but bhp/ton is far more important. A CTR with less power and torque than a similar priced Scoob (WRX 225bhp one?) will easily live with one all day in a straight line drag I would have thought.

Sub97

Mine certainly doesnt feel any slower than my old scooby. It also feels a lot better put together.