99 mph on motorway.....any advice?
15 July 2005, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by icedtoast
TBH you could get anything.
There's absolutely no consistency when dishing out any endorsement, especially when going to court.
Some advice I'd give to anyone whose pulled over for any offence from past experience...
1. Never show your licence, even if you have it on you. In the eyes of the law it's an admission of guilt to the alledged offence. It may also sway the decision of the officer if he see's any previous/current endorsements even though they're meant to be impartial.
2. Send away for a new licence once past points are no longer valid. Standard points stay for 3 years, small bans are 5 years. This is helpfull for the above and also for Insurance companies if they ask for licence photocopies.
3. This last one is a touch dodgy. This is if you've been physically stopped and issued a ticket that will result in points, been given the 7 day producer and haven't handed over your licence on the scene. Do not produce to the same police station that the officer who pulled you over is based. Hopefully it won't be local to you but if so try another close by but not the same. Do not produce your licence with the rest of your documents. Instead write down your licence number and give them that saying it's lost and you're waiting a new one to be sent. They will caution you for this which is ridiculous but don't wory about that. They will typically ask for you to bring your licence in once it arrives which you don't ever do.
I have done this before and I never heard back about the offence, now over 2 years ago, which was being pulled for a not so mediocre 3 figure number on the motorway (not in a scooby). Abviously the lack of actual licence must have held up some system when transferring details from one station to the over but as they have my licence number, I hadn't really done anything wrong in terms of producing documents.
I doubt this is full proof and maybe I was very fortunate but I'd say it's worth a go.
There's absolutely no consistency when dishing out any endorsement, especially when going to court.
Some advice I'd give to anyone whose pulled over for any offence from past experience...
1. Never show your licence, even if you have it on you. In the eyes of the law it's an admission of guilt to the alledged offence. It may also sway the decision of the officer if he see's any previous/current endorsements even though they're meant to be impartial.
2. Send away for a new licence once past points are no longer valid. Standard points stay for 3 years, small bans are 5 years. This is helpfull for the above and also for Insurance companies if they ask for licence photocopies.
3. This last one is a touch dodgy. This is if you've been physically stopped and issued a ticket that will result in points, been given the 7 day producer and haven't handed over your licence on the scene. Do not produce to the same police station that the officer who pulled you over is based. Hopefully it won't be local to you but if so try another close by but not the same. Do not produce your licence with the rest of your documents. Instead write down your licence number and give them that saying it's lost and you're waiting a new one to be sent. They will caution you for this which is ridiculous but don't wory about that. They will typically ask for you to bring your licence in once it arrives which you don't ever do.
I have done this before and I never heard back about the offence, now over 2 years ago, which was being pulled for a not so mediocre 3 figure number on the motorway (not in a scooby). Abviously the lack of actual licence must have held up some system when transferring details from one station to the over but as they have my licence number, I hadn't really done anything wrong in terms of producing documents.
I doubt this is full proof and maybe I was very fortunate but I'd say it's worth a go.
15 July 2005, 12:38 AM
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see now i could get really on one and say , while the cameras were watching you, maybe they should have been concentrating their efforts somewhere else maybe .....just a thought ...hope all goes well
15 July 2005, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by icedtoast
TBH you could get anything.
There's absolutely no consistency when dishing out any endorsement, especially when going to court.
Some advice I'd give to anyone whose pulled over for any offence from past experience...
1. Never show your licence, even if you have it on you. In the eyes of the law it's an admission of guilt to the alledged offence. It may also sway the decision of the officer if he see's any previous/current endorsements even though they're meant to be impartial.
2. Send away for a new licence once past points are no longer valid. Standard points stay for 3 years, small bans are 5 years. This is helpfull for the above and also for Insurance companies if they ask for licence photocopies.
3. This last one is a touch dodgy. This is if you've been physically stopped and issued a ticket that will result in points, been given the 7 day producer and haven't handed over your licence on the scene. Do not produce to the same police station that the officer who pulled you over is based. Hopefully it won't be local to you but if so try another close by but not the same. Do not produce your licence with the rest of your documents. Instead write down your licence number and give them that saying it's lost and you're waiting a new one to be sent. They will caution you for this which is ridiculous but don't wory about that. They will typically ask for you to bring your licence in once it arrives which you don't ever do.
I have done this before and I never heard back about the offence, now over 2 years ago, which was being pulled for a not so mediocre 3 figure number on the motorway (not in a scooby). Abviously the lack of actual licence must have held up some system when transferring details from one station to the over but as they have my licence number, I hadn't really done anything wrong in terms of producing documents.
I doubt this is full proof and maybe I was very fortunate but I'd say it's worth a go.
There's absolutely no consistency when dishing out any endorsement, especially when going to court.
Some advice I'd give to anyone whose pulled over for any offence from past experience...
1. Never show your licence, even if you have it on you. In the eyes of the law it's an admission of guilt to the alledged offence. It may also sway the decision of the officer if he see's any previous/current endorsements even though they're meant to be impartial.
2. Send away for a new licence once past points are no longer valid. Standard points stay for 3 years, small bans are 5 years. This is helpfull for the above and also for Insurance companies if they ask for licence photocopies.
3. This last one is a touch dodgy. This is if you've been physically stopped and issued a ticket that will result in points, been given the 7 day producer and haven't handed over your licence on the scene. Do not produce to the same police station that the officer who pulled you over is based. Hopefully it won't be local to you but if so try another close by but not the same. Do not produce your licence with the rest of your documents. Instead write down your licence number and give them that saying it's lost and you're waiting a new one to be sent. They will caution you for this which is ridiculous but don't wory about that. They will typically ask for you to bring your licence in once it arrives which you don't ever do.
I have done this before and I never heard back about the offence, now over 2 years ago, which was being pulled for a not so mediocre 3 figure number on the motorway (not in a scooby). Abviously the lack of actual licence must have held up some system when transferring details from one station to the over but as they have my licence number, I hadn't really done anything wrong in terms of producing documents.
I doubt this is full proof and maybe I was very fortunate but I'd say it's worth a go.
15 July 2005, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by icedtoast
3. This last one is a touch dodgy. This is if you've been physically stopped and issued a ticket that will result in points, been given the 7 day producer and haven't handed over your licence on the scene. Do not produce to the same police station that the officer who pulled you over is based. Hopefully it won't be local to you but if so try another close by but not the same. Do not produce your licence with the rest of your documents. Instead write down your licence number and give them that saying it's lost and you're waiting a new one to be sent. They will caution you for this which is ridiculous but don't wory about that. They will typically ask for you to bring your licence in once it arrives which you don't ever do.
I have done this before and I never heard back about the offence, now over 2 years ago, which was being pulled for a not so mediocre 3 figure number on the motorway (not in a scooby). Abviously the lack of actual licence must have held up some system when transferring details from one station to the over but as they have my licence number, I hadn't really done anything wrong in terms of producing documents.
I doubt this is full proof and maybe I was very fortunate but I'd say it's worth a go.
I have done this before and I never heard back about the offence, now over 2 years ago, which was being pulled for a not so mediocre 3 figure number on the motorway (not in a scooby). Abviously the lack of actual licence must have held up some system when transferring details from one station to the over but as they have my licence number, I hadn't really done anything wrong in terms of producing documents.
I doubt this is full proof and maybe I was very fortunate but I'd say it's worth a go.
The only way you'll give you're licence over at the Police Station is if the PC issued you with a Fixed Penaly Notice ticket when you originally were stopped and reported. This is not the case, correct? If you was issued with a ticket you would then hold onto it and use it as your 'licence', whilst your actual licence is sent off to have your points put on.
If you fail to produce any of your documents (i.e both parts of your licence), you commit a further offence ( as well as the speeding). This will no doubt lead you to have your day in Court.
15 July 2005, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Adidas
Got to agree with Hedgehog.
The only way you'll give you're licence over at the Police Station is if the PC issued you with a Fixed Penaly Notice ticket when you originally were stopped and reported. This is not the case, correct? If you was issued with a ticket you would then hold onto it and use it as your 'licence', whilst your actual licence is sent off to have your points put on.
If you fail to produce any of your documents (i.e both parts of your licence), you commit a further offence ( as well as the speeding). This will no doubt lead you to have your day in Court.
The only way you'll give you're licence over at the Police Station is if the PC issued you with a Fixed Penaly Notice ticket when you originally were stopped and reported. This is not the case, correct? If you was issued with a ticket you would then hold onto it and use it as your 'licence', whilst your actual licence is sent off to have your points put on.
If you fail to produce any of your documents (i.e both parts of your licence), you commit a further offence ( as well as the speeding). This will no doubt lead you to have your day in Court.
15 July 2005, 06:29 AM
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the wonderful world of speed scamera's yes thats scamera's, was in hungary at the weekend my mate works over there he was saying if the cops do you you just get a 30 quid ( 10000 forrint) fine and no points. not too bad i thought but he said they can be arseholes and will try to dish em out ***** nilly.
some top man cut a speed camera clean off in telford made the paper and everything. speed camera was by the local college so i do understand the point for this.. as accidents had risen there but, they have still failed to put in either traffic lights or a pedestrian crossing so same kids only get hit by cars doing 30 now :/
if only they had to write a 5 page report on how the camera is justified to be used in that particular area i'd bet there would'nt be so many.
some top man cut a speed camera clean off in telford made the paper and everything. speed camera was by the local college so i do understand the point for this.. as accidents had risen there but, they have still failed to put in either traffic lights or a pedestrian crossing so same kids only get hit by cars doing 30 now :/
if only they had to write a 5 page report on how the camera is justified to be used in that particular area i'd bet there would'nt be so many.
15 July 2005, 12:41 PM
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You may be interested in the following:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...694858,00.html
Speed camera U-turn as 500 sites rejected
By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent
THE Government is blocking the installation of nearly 500 new speed cameras amid signs that ministers are beginning to doubt the effectiveness of the devices.
The 38 camera partnerships, which include police forces and local authorities, have been ordered not to use cameras at any new sites. The ban includes places where there have been several fatal crashes caused by speeding vehicles.
The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) condemned the ban, saying that it could cost lives because dangerous roads were being left unprotected by cameras.
The Department for Transport is reviewing the rules on deploying cameras after concerns that partnerships have failed to consider alternatives, such as improving junctions or erecting warning signs.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...694858,00.html
Speed camera U-turn as 500 sites rejected
By Ben Webster, Transport Correspondent
THE Government is blocking the installation of nearly 500 new speed cameras amid signs that ministers are beginning to doubt the effectiveness of the devices.
The 38 camera partnerships, which include police forces and local authorities, have been ordered not to use cameras at any new sites. The ban includes places where there have been several fatal crashes caused by speeding vehicles.
The Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) condemned the ban, saying that it could cost lives because dangerous roads were being left unprotected by cameras.
The Department for Transport is reviewing the rules on deploying cameras after concerns that partnerships have failed to consider alternatives, such as improving junctions or erecting warning signs.
15 July 2005, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Hi folks
Oooops, got caught doing 99 mph this evening, told by the friendly policeman that i will have to go to court.
Anyone else been caught doing the same speed....and if so what did you get?
Got caught on one of those hand held radar things.
(4 lane motorway, and i was the only car on there)
Already got 3 points on my licence, so would prefer a short ban really (if it is going to be around 6 points).
p.s......yes i know it was very naughty, and i am a danger to innocent road users, and i should never do that speed etc etc before people post the usual comments regarding this.
Cheers
Gary
Oooops, got caught doing 99 mph this evening, told by the friendly policeman that i will have to go to court.
Anyone else been caught doing the same speed....and if so what did you get?
Got caught on one of those hand held radar things.
(4 lane motorway, and i was the only car on there)
Already got 3 points on my licence, so would prefer a short ban really (if it is going to be around 6 points).
p.s......yes i know it was very naughty, and i am a danger to innocent road users, and i should never do that speed etc etc before people post the usual comments regarding this.
Cheers
Gary
16 July 2005, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by sti-04!!
You sir are a prized class one CLOWN
As you'll see from all the replies on this post it isn't just me who drives a little bit quicker than i should on an empty motorway.
Have you never done it then?
31 October 2005, 01:59 PM
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have to confess tend to sit at 90 on the motorway, even had police car pull alongside once and hover for about ten seconds before pulling away, hardly any traffic around, had given early signal to pass the 1 car around for 2 miles pulled out in plenty of time and smothly, left plenty off room and smoothly back in and he must have seen that cos he caught me up about 30 seconds later.
think you have to drive to the conditions, ban isn't gonna happen unless you have lots of points already or are very unlucky. i know few peopl who have been done for 104 and got 6 points and a fine, even one of the police super intendants got done doing 104 and didn't get banned, one of the guys i know, who so happens to have a scoob and be on here even had the policeman who pulled him stand up in court and say he wasn't driving dangerously or badly was just going to fast (thats was 104 by the way)
think they are more bothered about people who drive like ****, cut in and out of trafic swerve when changing lanes etc. speed isn't bad as such its how you drive with that speed.
think you have to drive to the conditions, ban isn't gonna happen unless you have lots of points already or are very unlucky. i know few peopl who have been done for 104 and got 6 points and a fine, even one of the police super intendants got done doing 104 and didn't get banned, one of the guys i know, who so happens to have a scoob and be on here even had the policeman who pulled him stand up in court and say he wasn't driving dangerously or badly was just going to fast (thats was 104 by the way)
think they are more bothered about people who drive like ****, cut in and out of trafic swerve when changing lanes etc. speed isn't bad as such its how you drive with that speed.
31 October 2005, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rb5ban91r
4 lane motorway on your own.... plod had nowt else better to do then i take it... barstiges...
31 October 2005, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by WRXPete
Blah blah blah....yes as usual the police had nothing better to do than uphold the law
Speed is relative to the conditions. The 70 m.p.h limit was introduced during the oil crisis when we were driving Morris Minors. Variable speed limits should be used .Don't tell me every piece of motorway is safe at 70 m.p.h at all times in all conditions.I believe the limit should be slower in some circumstances & higher than 70 m.p.h in others.
31 October 2005, 05:05 PM
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a friend of mine got done in a radar trap by two plods at 103. 3 points & 60 fine, no court appearance, nothing. in a TT.
he tells me its the one & only time he's been over 100. gutted i am frequently >100 and (so far, touch wood etc) never been flashed etc. but i look out for plod & cameras like a hawk & use Tom Tom with checkPOInt GPS camera detector on any roads i haven't driven recently.
the bird ain't so lucky, got done for DD and got an 18 month ban (only £100 fine though, thanks to my spreadsheets i took to court- proving that it cost her £200 a month more to live than she got paid (NOT ACTUALLY TRUE
), and the fact that i was well off had nothing to do with it as i wasn't going to pay it off for her- they let her pay it at £10 a week!)
she'd only been driving about a year, but for some reason when the ban was up she got sent her full licence back!
fingers crossed at the mo though, cos she's been on a long journey to & from bristol at night and seemed oblivious to the fact that to get there she must have driven through a 20 mile section of 50mph SPECS cameras with no traffic on the road (OH CR4P!)
he tells me its the one & only time he's been over 100. gutted i am frequently >100 and (so far, touch wood etc) never been flashed etc. but i look out for plod & cameras like a hawk & use Tom Tom with checkPOInt GPS camera detector on any roads i haven't driven recently.
the bird ain't so lucky, got done for DD and got an 18 month ban (only £100 fine though, thanks to my spreadsheets i took to court- proving that it cost her £200 a month more to live than she got paid (NOT ACTUALLY TRUE
), and the fact that i was well off had nothing to do with it as i wasn't going to pay it off for her- they let her pay it at £10 a week!)she'd only been driving about a year, but for some reason when the ban was up she got sent her full licence back!
fingers crossed at the mo though, cos she's been on a long journey to & from bristol at night and seemed oblivious to the fact that to get there she must have driven through a 20 mile section of 50mph SPECS cameras with no traffic on the road (OH CR4P!)
31 October 2005, 05:22 PM
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have been through the same sort of thing earlier on in the year, i was caught doing 87 on the motorway, etc etc went to court got £170 fine and 5 points !!!!! i have also been doing some finding out of my own as some of you may allready know the police do NOT have to make them selves visable to the motorist, but in no instance they also say they do not operate covertally, hiding in bushes, hiding the police car, not using reflective vests etc etc etc again i am not hear for any argument for or against just some of my own thoughts.....
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The thread asks for any advice.... Here's mine...
Theres a dial on the dash that tells you how fast you / your car is travelling at, and there are laws about what the speed limits are on certain types of road.
My first piece of advise is to learn what the dials on the dash are for, I worry you may also run out of petrol or over rev your car if you are currently so unaware
Secondly learn the speed limits documented within the highway code and understand the word limit - no where is there reference to speed targets within this publication.
Thirdly - understand that because others do it shouldnt make it right and how many cars or who many lanes me jack **** when you're simply braking the law.... Justifying it is quite pathetic
Fourthly - Dont try and prevent messages like mine with sarcastic closures to your thread opening posts. If you arent able to corrollate car speed with speed limits, OR if you hold British law in such disregard then you derserve a bit of a ribbing...
Anyhoo at least you took your points on the chin unlike many others. Fair play... Please take my advice on board... If you follow it you might just keep your license...
Theres a dial on the dash that tells you how fast you / your car is travelling at, and there are laws about what the speed limits are on certain types of road.
My first piece of advise is to learn what the dials on the dash are for, I worry you may also run out of petrol or over rev your car if you are currently so unaware
Secondly learn the speed limits documented within the highway code and understand the word limit - no where is there reference to speed targets within this publication.
Thirdly - understand that because others do it shouldnt make it right and how many cars or who many lanes me jack **** when you're simply braking the law.... Justifying it is quite pathetic
Fourthly - Dont try and prevent messages like mine with sarcastic closures to your thread opening posts. If you arent able to corrollate car speed with speed limits, OR if you hold British law in such disregard then you derserve a bit of a ribbing...
Anyhoo at least you took your points on the chin unlike many others. Fair play... Please take my advice on board... If you follow it you might just keep your license...
Last edited by Abdabz; 31 October 2005 at 05:26 PM. Reason: I cant spell - I spend too much time concentrating when driving!
31 October 2005, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdabz
The thread asks for any advice.... Here's mine...
Theres a dial on the dash that tells you how fast you and your car is travelling at and there are laws about what speed limits are on certain types of road.
My first piece of advise is to learn what the dials on the dash are for, I worry you may also run out of petrol or over rev your car perhaps if you are currently so inept
Secondly learn the speed limits documented within the highway code andunderstand the word limit - no where is there reference to speed targets within this guide on how to drive properly.
Thirdly - understand that because others do it shouldnt make it right.
Fourthly - Dont try and prevent messages like mine with sarcastic closures to your thread opening posts. If you arent able to corrollate car speed with speed limits, if you hold British law in such diregard or are too incompetent to notice your error you derserve a bit of a ribbing...
Anyhoo at least you took your points on the chin unlike many others. Fair play... Please take my advice on board... If you follow it you might just keep your license...
Theres a dial on the dash that tells you how fast you and your car is travelling at and there are laws about what speed limits are on certain types of road.
My first piece of advise is to learn what the dials on the dash are for, I worry you may also run out of petrol or over rev your car perhaps if you are currently so inept
Secondly learn the speed limits documented within the highway code andunderstand the word limit - no where is there reference to speed targets within this guide on how to drive properly.
Thirdly - understand that because others do it shouldnt make it right.
Fourthly - Dont try and prevent messages like mine with sarcastic closures to your thread opening posts. If you arent able to corrollate car speed with speed limits, if you hold British law in such diregard or are too incompetent to notice your error you derserve a bit of a ribbing...
Anyhoo at least you took your points on the chin unlike many others. Fair play... Please take my advice on board... If you follow it you might just keep your license...
31 October 2005, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdabz
The thread asks for any advice.... Here's mine...
Theres a dial on the dash that tells you how fast you and your car is travelling at and there are laws about what speed limits are on certain types of road.
My first piece of advise is to learn what the dials on the dash are for, I worry you may also run out of petrol or over rev your car perhaps if you are currently so inept
Secondly learn the speed limits documented within the highway code andunderstand the word limit - no where is there reference to speed targets within this guide on how to drive properly.
Thirdly - understand that because others do it shouldnt make it right.
Fourthly - Dont try and prevent messages like mine with sarcastic closures to your thread opening posts. If you arent able to corrollate car speed with speed limits, if you hold British law in such diregard or are too incompetent to notice your error you derserve a bit of a ribbing...
Anyhoo at least you took your points on the chin unlike many others. Fair play... Please take my advice on board... If you follow it you might just keep your license...
Theres a dial on the dash that tells you how fast you and your car is travelling at and there are laws about what speed limits are on certain types of road.
My first piece of advise is to learn what the dials on the dash are for, I worry you may also run out of petrol or over rev your car perhaps if you are currently so inept
Secondly learn the speed limits documented within the highway code andunderstand the word limit - no where is there reference to speed targets within this guide on how to drive properly.
Thirdly - understand that because others do it shouldnt make it right.
Fourthly - Dont try and prevent messages like mine with sarcastic closures to your thread opening posts. If you arent able to corrollate car speed with speed limits, if you hold British law in such diregard or are too incompetent to notice your error you derserve a bit of a ribbing...
Anyhoo at least you took your points on the chin unlike many others. Fair play... Please take my advice on board... If you follow it you might just keep your license...
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31 October 2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DonnieDarko
^^ there's no need to be a w@nker about it. we all do it, some of us are lucky and don't get caught some aren't so lucky (i meant about the speeding ... but)
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31 October 2005, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdabz
The thread asks for any advice.... Here's mine...
Theres a dial on the dash that tells you how fast you / your car is travelling at, and there are laws about what the speed limits are on certain types of road.
My first piece of advise is to learn what the dials on the dash are for, I worry you may also run out of petrol or over rev your car if you are currently so unaware
Secondly learn the speed limits documented within the highway code and understand the word limit - no where is there reference to speed targets within this publication.
Thirdly - understand that because others do it shouldnt make it right and how many cars or who many lanes me jack **** when you're simply braking the law.... Justifying it is quite pathetic
Fourthly - Dont try and prevent messages like mine with sarcastic closures to your thread opening posts. If you arent able to corrollate car speed with speed limits, OR if you hold British law in such disregard then you derserve a bit of a ribbing...
Anyhoo at least you took your points on the chin unlike many others. Fair play... Please take my advice on board... If you follow it you might just keep your license...
Theres a dial on the dash that tells you how fast you / your car is travelling at, and there are laws about what the speed limits are on certain types of road.
My first piece of advise is to learn what the dials on the dash are for, I worry you may also run out of petrol or over rev your car if you are currently so unaware
Secondly learn the speed limits documented within the highway code and understand the word limit - no where is there reference to speed targets within this publication.
Thirdly - understand that because others do it shouldnt make it right and how many cars or who many lanes me jack **** when you're simply braking the law.... Justifying it is quite pathetic
Fourthly - Dont try and prevent messages like mine with sarcastic closures to your thread opening posts. If you arent able to corrollate car speed with speed limits, OR if you hold British law in such disregard then you derserve a bit of a ribbing...
Anyhoo at least you took your points on the chin unlike many others. Fair play... Please take my advice on board... If you follow it you might just keep your license...
Rob