Gav

If it's not on camera then how can he prove you were driving dangerously?? really pi$$es me off this, they bait you into speeding up, complement you on your driving then do you for dangerous driving. Doesnt make any sense to me. I'd go all the way with it and say with them driving right up your **** you were in fear of a car jacking as said before...just my 2p's worth..

Gav..

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Last week Mr Brunstrom parked his 20ft yacht on double yellow lines outside his Colwyn Bay headquarters. Asked what action would be taken, police said: "We have no comment."

25PTS for drunk driver

10PTS for dangerous driver

5PTS for speeding driver

PTS for catching the boss's yacht illegally parked outside his own HQ??

PRICELESS!!! :-)

NS04

MadMark

I agree with most of the comments on here:

1. I echo getting a specialist solicitor or legal advice - helped me to get a much reduced ban and fine.
2. Quote the policeman's phrase on the the court documents - if he doesn't turn up at court to answer to this - they will throw the case out!
3. Unless he had a callibrated speedo and measured you for over quarter of a mile - his assesment of your speed can only be used as a possibility you were somewhere near that speed and can't be counted as fact or evidence!
4. The tailgating assignation will put plenty of doubt into the minds!

Good luck!

scoobfan

I'm up in court on 11 July for speeding in my bosses Jag.

99mph on a dual carraigeway (70 limit).

I'm expecting between 5 and 6 points plus 200 + fine.

OK, i was in the wrong and i admit that, i'll take my medicine !

One question, will the points make any difference to my insurance?

Rob

automodellistagt

yes

scoobfan

Thankyou !

black scoobs

sorry to say but yes .

Carina

Some Insurers ignore your first 3 point speeding conviction (SP30) but anything other than that will cost you. Dangerous Driving and/or a ban will cost you big-time, possibly 50% loading on your policy. Some Insurers won't insure you at all if you've been banned in the last 3 years.

So definitely get a good brief, plead guilty to speeding and not guilty to dangerous driving. But do bear in mind that if you plead not guilty and are then found guilty, you might be more heavily penalised than you would have been had you pleaded guilty. So if you really have been a very naughty boy you'll have to take the pain. A good local brief who knows the local magistrates and what their attitude to speeding motorists is will be money well spent.

Hey, whaddya know, that 12 years of dealing with motor claims was useful for something after all!

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Use a specialist solicitor not a general run of the mill version. Look here under resources tab for solicitors in traffic law http://www.abd.org.uk/

You could also try Pryce woodrow solicitors.
Check out pepipoo for comments from the members
Regards

Andy

Steve001

iTrader: (7)

all good advice here

but watching those 'Police Camera Shows' on sky makes you think??

just tell em you nicked the car for a joyride. you will prob get 3 months community service and a caution.

This country stinks

scoobfan

I have never been in trouble with the law before and never attended court,
so this talk of solicitors and briefs etc has me worried to be honest.

I have made no contact with a solicitor, should i ?

Oh well, should of thought of that before i hit the loud pedal.

Rob

Steve001

iTrader: (7)

i think you should make some enquiries

good luck

cossie01

No point to be honest m8

99mph means court appearance, but won't get you a ban as less than the magic 100mph.

Even if you were to get a ban, then you would prob only get 7 - 14 days (had my first conviction in jan this yr, 103.5mph on motorway and got 7 days ban). That speed was caught on vascar, so no room to argue it.

However if your caught on something other than vascar, i.e laser / radar gun, etc then just ask the court for a 10% reduction in the recorded speed, and this should allow you to get a much lower punishment.

scoobfan

Thank's guy's for your input, it really is appreciated

I think i'll go in plead guilty and be done with it, lifes too short !
I may have something that will help, it's to do with my job, we'll see.

I'll let you know how i get on later.

Oh, and sorry to the originator of this thread, i seem to have hijacked it some what.

Rob

Echo

I recently had plod sitting on my tail late at night, right up trying to move me on. I spotted them parked up before they zoomed after me to try it on so they had no joy.

If the police authorities sanction this behaviour we should be told.

Grrr

mart360

Are they for real??

ask them under which statute is a baby on board sticker required...


and how would that prevent a wan*er from running up the back of you???

the only reason for the signs was due to the emergency services missing a child when in an rta... in the states i think,,,,

and you wonder why some of them come accross as wan*ers

Mart

New_scooby_04

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That's just not on. If it happens again, get the reg plate and write a letter to the inspector of your local station demanding an explanation. This wouldn't be in Thames valley would it?

NS04

pimmo2000

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one of my friends left work at 2am and was followed out of the car park by an unmarked, obviously he didnt know this and **** his pants. Put his foot down and did some stupid route around the city centre with this **** behind him. When finally the Copper pulled along side he told him off for speeding and dangerous drivng, but only gave him a 7 day ticket.
He KNEW he was in the wrong

stilover

Pappasmurf
When your in court, surely you could accuse the Police officer of Dangerous driving. The police are to suposed to drive to the Highway code. How is being right on your bumper not dangerous. If you'd have braked hard for whatever reason, he would have slammed into you. If the police see someone tailgating, they would pull them & do them. Whats the difference?
Ask the court if they condone tailgating? If the answer is no, then you could argue that you have no other choice to report the police officer of dangerous driving. See what happens then.

pappasmurf

Good point Stilover...thourght had crossed my mind.

Spoke to solicitor today and she said wait for the summons to come in the post because it might be that a charge of dangerous driving is dropped when the circumstances are looked at more closely.....it does happen. Certainly if a charge of dangerous driving is persued by the CPS then evidence for this will be required...ie on board camera...which i don't think there was??

Steve001

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just a thought.......

you said you left him standing at the 'twisties' he then caught you up

did he have to do 110mph to catch up? therefore how could he have clocked you?????? dont they have to clock you over a certain distance (1/4 mile if memory serves) also was in car electronics/camera tracking you? if not then (i may get flamed for this) does'nt it require 2 officers to confirm speed from a standard speedo reading????

steviep1609

Did the polie officer have proof of your speeding? As is he was in his own with no proof it's his word against yours. Unless this is all to late and your have confirmed that you was and provide then with your statement. Also dangerous driving...Can't do you for that. Driving with due care would be the worst but wouldn't even do you for that. Can only do you for then if for example you had a accident and hurt somebody.

pappasmurf

No proof was given to me in his police car that i had been doing 110mph or was driving dangerously. I presume because he claimed i was doing 110mph i was dangerous.
As i say, my solicitor said wait and see what summons i recieve. It might not be for dangerous driving just speeding. The fact i drive 60,000 miles a year for a living and have a clean license will also help me.
I fully expected the Copper to show me evidence of my offense but he didn't. I really wonder what evidence he's got?

I'm sorry, but if i get a car appearing up my boot in the wee hours of the morning..i'm not hanging around. Too many scum around my neck of the woods. I know someone who had the same happen to him...90mph and dangerous driving charge because he was concerned who it might be up his rear. He was not convicted of dangerous driving....he got 6points and a fine.

billythekid

"3. Unless he had a calibrated Speedo and measured you for over quarter of a mile - his assessment of your speed can only be used as a possibility you were somewhere near that speed and can't be counted as fact or evidence!"

Not strictly true... The requirements are: 1 police officer requires corroboration to confirm his opinion that the car is speeding. This can be either from a Speedo (later checked to be accurate) or from a device such as a laser or VASCAR computer. 2 police officers: No mechanical corroboration required - only agreement from both officers that the vehicle was speeding.

In this particular case, with good legal representation, it is likely the dd charge will be dropped. However, the speeding charge will stand unfortunately. Depending on your location and requirements to drive to earn a living you are looking at a chunk of points and a large fine upto a 3 month ban.

Like everyone else said, the best thing to do is get a good solicitor with lots of experience in this field.

dualtech

Mmmmm... I think I had a goading policeman this morning. Had to pick the wife up a Luton Airport at 3am so a nice drive down the A1 and across to Luton.

After the bombings in London and driving a performance car I was bound to be pulled over so to make things easy I took all my doc's and left a hour early. No problem.

Took a leasurely drive, sticking to speed limits and enjoying the scooby rumble.

Going through Hitchen at 30 mph a large car appears from nowhere, travelling at speed and sits on my boot lid.

This thread springs to mind.

I'm not one for High St races any way so continue at 30. The car drops back and speeds up again and sits on my boot a couple of times.

The after Hitchen the road to Luton is dual carriageway so it was play time.

!st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and I hit 45 mph in about 20 sec lol. The car dropped right back and followed about 300 yards behind for a couple of miles probably doing reg check and waiting for me to take off before getting fed up and blasting past and getting the bird from me.

Large silver Volvo. didn't get reg, too dark and too fast.

I think Mr Chief Constable might be getting a letter about his officer's behavior

Silver Scooby Sport

iTrader: (15)

I watched this programme and one of the guys he defended and got off was on similar sorts of grounds.. talk to a solicitor and tell him you were being followed at speed closely you became scared for your own saftey and where it was safe to do so you decided to put some distance between you and the unidentifed car behind you, apparantly this is a legal driving manover in certain cases.

Good Luck
Simon

P4LNY

Absolutely right, its called a DURESS OF CIRCUMSTANCES, my accountant got caught in the same circumstances, only his recorded top speed from memory was nearer 140, he pleaded that a couple of guys had pulled along side a few miles earlier thretening to steel his car and thought that the unmarked copper car was them,
Got off without even a fine!

disrupta

Correct me if im wrong here, but if you admit to dangerous driving, after the ban you will recive at least one year, wont you then have to do a re test.

PhilA

If you get banned due to the dangerous driving charge you will probably get 12 months and a resit. If they do not ban you but give you 12 points and a fine, you will then be banned from totalling up 12 points. This is a 6 month minimum ban with NO re-sit, you will also have zero points after a totting up ban but i don't think this is the same for dangerous driving. Either way the conviction on your license will cost you in terms of insurance for a few years.
In my oppinion I would get a solicitor ASAP even if you are going to plead guilty and especially if you are not. Trust me, I leant the hard way. It may cost you a bit but it will help. Good Luck.

Bubba po

Shurely shome mishtake.