little-ginge

1) can you not spell? it's GingE..

2) No is one of the smallest words in the dictionary.It's not that hard to understand and someone of you supposed intelligence should get it. Just in case here are some more definitions for you...

*A negative response; a denial or refusal
*Not at all; not by any degree
*Used to express refusal, denial, disbelief, emphasis, or disagreement
*forbidden territory


You can keep post insisting that I tell you but you are wasting your time. It's not going to happen .. you are just making yourself look a tw*t by not accepting it and moving on..

As I have said b4, this thread is boring me and as evidenced by some of the other post, others SN users..

Moose..

I have had many PM's supporting what I have said...it is evident that although I may have been the only one to comment in such detail, there are many other SN users who feel exactly the same way I do.... its not a case of a doctor on one side who is clearly proud of his profession and achievements, and someone who just doesn't like doctors on the other.


It a case of someone speaking up as is their right - and thats both myself and Deep Singh, and everyone else on here. I have no doubts that Deep Singh is proud of his acheivements.. his comments re how everyone else must have been too thick or lazy to become a doctor, shows how big an opinion he has of himself - which he is entitled to have.. making that sort of comment and by making statements such as he has, will only add fuel to the fire and doesnt make him look very professional.

scooby stu!!

I have been watching this thread and tbh it is ridicolous. It started of with a mother worried about her young son, with support coming from little-ginge. Asking whether she should compliain or not! it is everybodys right to complain. I do not dissagree with the fact that doctors are overworked but the fact remains that doctors do make misjudgements, as does every other human being. But deep singh, we do not have the right to complain about a doctor??? this country faught 2 world wars for the freedom of speach. Every body is entitled to complain about every service, and thats what a doctor is.. they are paid to do a job just the same as everybody else, they are a service the same as the bin men are a service. If your bin men left a trail of rubbish on your driveway, you wouldnt complain I take it as they are performing a service?? get real. From the posts you have made in this thread i would deduce about you, the same a LG and others. and what makes you think that knowing what LG does is gonna make any difference to the facts of this argument. Besides, there is one thing that you would do good to remember buddy, no matter what anybody does it is allways for the good of people. Imagine a country with no bread no water no money. All have their place in the inferstructure of the country. Or are doctors the only ones that do anything for the greater good? get over yourself m8 or do you need a bigger ladder?

Dracoro

I'm not sure you can compare council services to Doctors. If the bin men stop collecting, it's annoying but people would get by (taking their rubbish to skip etc.). If the Doctors left the profession then people die.

Conditions doctors have to work in are deteriorating and it's not good for well being of this country. My g/f is a doc and conditions are getting frustrating (mainly due to crap management and goverment 'targets', the dangerous 4 hour breach rule etc.). She's on 5 year rotation along with all the other registrars so every year they move on to next hospital so hopefully the next place will be better run. I'm sure in the next coming years she'll have had enough and we'll go to Canada/Aus/NZ where conditions are better. The problem is there are many who are in this situation (esp in hospital medicine) so you can see what'll happen if things don't improve.

Docs make mistakes, they learn from them and carry on. Of course some don't and there are rules and procedures in place to help wrong things from re-occurring. As long as the the doctor is aware of the mistake and admits to it, I don't see the problem. What's done is done and let's hope that it doesn't happen again.

Ultimately you've got to ask yourself. What GOOD will complaining do? DON'T do it just to 'make yourself feel better' or for 'justice' or 'because you've been wronged' etc. DO DO IT if the doc has been negligent and hasn't learnt/admitted that things could be done better next time. I'm not sure, but is there a process whereby you can 'enquire' about what went on and what the outcome was/what was learnt etc. Get the other side of the story etc.

Of course, you can all complain all the time if you like whenever things don't go great but then in the long term you'll be stuck in a country with no doctors coz they've all gone abroad where they're appreciated.

And please, don't quote the shipman case, he was NOT a doctor who killed loads of people, he was a mass murderer who was a doctor. There is a difference if you understand my meaning. It is a very unusual case and the profession I'm sure has learnt from it and will find ways to help that it doesn't happen again.

scooby stu!!

Dracoro,

why not compare council services?? you would take the rubish to the skip.. who emptys it? what happens when millions of people dump rubbish?? pepole die.

I agree with the rest of your post but how do doctors know they have made a mistake unless people speak up? The conditions of working for doctors is bad and their is no denying that but ultimately it is no excuse for tardiness. in my proffesion a complaint is welcome because it points out where you are failing therefore you can improve upon the service that you provide.

The whole point of this argument is whether mrs c is within her rights to complain about the treatment of her son which in my opinion was shabby for a doctor to say sorry i have not got time to do that today is wrong he could have recommended that she take her child to A&E as he could not perform the nessesary checks at that time but to send away a child that couldnt breathe, and tell them to make another appointment in a few days in wrong. For people on here to say then that you have no right to complain about this is moronic.
Doctors are overworked and often work in conditions that are less than favorable but this is no reason to overlook the welfare of yourself or your loved ones.
Doctors have to make some tough calls and will somtimes make the wrong one but with others lives in my hands I would want to know if I had. 'For the greater good'

Richard_P

Its not really comparable, I could fill a truck with rubbish and drive it to a tip, so most people could do it. I couldn't advise someone what was wtrong with them, I couldn't operate and save their life.

I think the point Deep is trying to make about what profession someone does is that he has came on to a thread where it was possible doctors would be criticised and stated that he was one. I can see the logic as he is coming in for some heavy criticism on a public bbs for trying to help people and he's simply saying well you've criticised me, tell me what you do to help others.

OllyK

I don't think anybody has said "You do not have the right to complain", of course she has that right. The argument has been "should she complain". We have been given half of a story from a mother who was in an emotional state about the condition of her child. How acurate and un-biased do you think that account will be? The point many of us keep making is that there is another person involved, who is not able to respond on here (we assume) who may have seen the events very diferently.

What Mrs C has to do is try and re-think events with a cool, calm and unbiased head and consider if she does have all the facts straight in her head and if she does have very real grounds for complaint. If people all agree with her, based on her side of the story alone, she may well go in guns blazing and come out looking really rather foolish. By putting forward some of the points that may be raised if she were to consider a complaint, she may be able to make a more reasoned decision. I would suggest that, with how easily she seem to fly off the handle when asked a few questions, that this kind of approach is not likely to win her a great deal of sympathy in a hearing and is more likely to come across as a hysterical nut rather than a concerned mother.

jasey

But his opening gambit was "If you aint a Doctor you're either thick or a greedy money grabbing w@nker - so **** off".

Dale Carnegie would not approve .

little-ginge

Daryl

have'nt, d'ont, does'nt, c'ant - how many more examples do you need? Perhaps you should read this book

As a matter of fact, the reason I pointed out your poor punctuation, was because you had already had a go at a couple of posters who had made spelling mistakes...

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

wot he said^

little-ginge

I had a quick look at your link.. not so interested in the book you've recommended to Deep Singh (good call btw), but the others which were recommended by the readers of the aforementioned literary works..


The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time

&

Eats, ****es & Leaves...



oh and what she ^ said about what ^^he said..

mr & mrs carlos uk300

where has mr singh gone !!!!!!!!!

289

May be working, you know. Illness waits for no man.

mr & mrs carlos uk300

Must be working his 100hr week, still seems to have plenty of time to post on here

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

he is re-taking his english GCSE

scoobyangel

hmmmm...so,... after reading this thread... and watching it turn into a playground slanging match.... i gotta ask.... if you got hit by a car today, and Deep was the only one who could save your life... would you refuse because his punctuation is rubbish??


as for the origional question on this thread... yes i think everyone has the right to complain if they think they have recieved poor service... saying that just before my little boy was one, he became ill, i took him to the docs and was sent home with the usual paracetamol and told to keep him cool etc, he got worse... i took him back to the docs the same day and he was rushed into hospital with bronchitis.. now i could complain that the first doctor fobbed me off as a over worried parent... or i could just say what happened, i.e that my child was not so bad when first taken to the docs, but became more ill as the day progressed, the first doc i saw didnt have a crystal ball so could not tell me the future!!

I do feel for anyone in a service profession, wether it a doctor, policeman, postman, dustman (not meant to be sexist either b4 you all rant about that too!!) because not everyone is happy all of the time... no one on this planet is God, not even a doctor at the top of his profession is God, and expecting them to be God is ridiculus!! people get ill, some can be cured some cant, sometimes no matter if the person gets the best treatment available and best care available they still die.... its nature.

you can rant and rave about it all til you are blue in the face, nothing is going to change, its just the way it is.... i was chatting to a policeman i know just the other day, and like he says , he goes in to break up a brawl in the city centre, someone watching will pass coment that it was a bit heavy handed to arrest the brawlers and cart them off.... but.. if it hadn't been done and the brawl had encompassed them then the "complainer" would be complaining that the police hadnt done their job correctly.....


hmm.... no win situation!!

i can see both points of view on here where the arguing is, LG feels her father was not cared for correctly and maybe rightly so, only have her side of things after all, and i can see Deep's view in trying to defend himself and his profession and all the good that they do do.

but i do think it has now gone away from the origional arguement and turned into a childish slanging match on who is right anf who is wrong... neither of you are wrong, you opininion is right, to yourself,as is everyones, and everyone is entitled to that, just not everyone has to agree!

little-ginge

neither of you are wrong, you opininion is right, to yourself,as is everyones, and everyone is entitled to that, just not everyone has to agree![/QUOTE]

Exactly.. As i said in a prevsious post.. everyone is entitled to an opnion, and are entitled to post on an open forum such as this...

Not everyone is going to agree with you and you are going to get comments back... and so forth but at the end of the day people are going to speak up and sometimes it is negative.. you just have to accept it and move on..

Thats the way of the world.

scoobyangel

Exactly.. As i said in a prevsious post.. everyone is entitled to an opnion, and are entitled to post on an open forum such as this...

Not everyone is going to agree with you and you are going to get comments back... and so forth but at the end of the day people are going to speak up and sometimes it is negative.. you just have to accept it and move on..

Thats the way of the world.[/QUOTE]


this is exactly right..... sometimes it just isnt worth the effort to argue, because no matter how hard you try to change a persons opinion, 9/10 times you wont be able to!! also quite often with arguments, they become personal slanging matches, which just arnt necessary....



so lets just make some daisey chains and hug some tree's and let this all go peacefully to bed!!


now all join hands and sing......

OllyK

Ahhhhh - shoot the lentil munching, car hating, hippy!!

scoobyangel

eugh... lentils!!!!


give me a car or a cbr anyday!!!!

little-ginge

Heres one i made earlier..

scoobyangel

aww truely a masterpiece



just to start another debate going... did you know that kids are no longer "allowed" to make daisy chains as they are unhygenic!!!

Deep Singh

Hello again my friends

I see whilst I've been away some people see fit to have a little dig.

This thread runs on and on. I'd like to summarise.

There was a post on the first page that read something like ' Drs are all badly educated f8ckwits' On reading this I was obviously quite angry and posted the comment about people being to thick or greedy etc. This was aimed at people who made comments such as the one I quoted

At NO time did I say I am perfect

At no time did I say the system is perfect

At no time did I say we d'ont make mistakes

At no time did I say d'ont complain

If I did show me the posts

The response I got was ' I should be struck off' blah blah blah. Stupid reactionary nonsense. A picture was painted of me as being a money minded zealot with a god complex. Frankly not true I'm afraid

Now I've listened to enough criticism/**** take. What I want to know is why w'ont Ging answer my question? What do you do?? Whats the big fr1gging secret?

Stop waffling, quoting dictionary definitions blah blah. Answer the question and be done with it.
I've spent 15 years(and have 30 to go) doing my tiny bit for society. Sometimes I've done it well, sometimes I could have done better. Its microscopic in the bigger picture but its my little bit. I've always tried and will continue to do so.


Now I'd like to know what your contribution is

Deep Singh

For all the others who have had a little laugh at me. I wonder if you'd be laughing if you had just put the life of your little child in my hands. Hundreds do every year( not laugh at me of course LOL)

porkerboy

Deep, I wouldnt get too worried/angry by various posts on here - they probably feel your an easy target. I think most of it is jealousy - its like having a nice car- get both positive and of course negative comments - and these tend to stick in the mind.

These days - people just love to complain/pull faults - sad - but its the ways things are going in this country.

Dont rise to the bait - its just what people on here want

Porker boy.

Deep Singh

Thanks PB. I know what you mean. I'm quite disappointed with myself for getting drawn into this. But hey if it makes some people feel better by saying I clean **** bottles so be it. As I mentioned I have actually cleaned them!!!

I still would really like to know what Ging does everyday so we can put her comments about me into perspective.

john banks

In amongst all the other stuff, I've seen about half a dozen kids with hay fever and asthma or wheeze in the last two days, all in emergency appointments at less than one hour notice from their initial phone contact. They all got full asthma reviews with history, examination, peak flow where possible, check of inhaler technique and review of medication, despite being allocated 5 minutes for their emergency appointment, probably only one of which was a real emergency. I ended up 30 minutes late by the end and some of the latter patients were quite cross, generally the ones that were least unwell, had least personal responsibility etc (you know the type if you work with the public). What do you do, I can't win LOL. There is only so much time in my day, and Scotland is about 25% over-doctored for GPs than England (and we make less money LOL).

Maybe I should reinstitute my "**** off it's a virus and make a proper appointment if you have something interesting to show me" LOL.

mr & mrs carlos uk300

I only wish my son had seen you

Deep Singh

Why are you so concerned about where I am?

mr & mrs carlos uk300

Because i enjoy reading your posts