jods

You don't own the debate - you numpty

Eat another donut.

little-ginge

i'm sure she meant it in a nice way..

jods

[QUOTE=little-ginge]I wouldn't dream it - Perfect gent me - Honest

little'un

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Hi Mrs C - bad enough to have to deal with the situation, let alone attracting imbeciles on here. Hope all is ok


There appear to be 2 people on this thread that have no manners and obviously need to wash their mouths out.

I cannot believe the post above for one minute. You and dsingh are both little boys who can't take part in an adult fashion. I suggest you take yourselves elsewhere because your sort are'nt wanted in this forum. It's pathetic

little-ginge

- little'un.

Deep Singh

You are a fantastic example of a badly informed wannabe know it all who knows little. You spend your life putting 2 and 2 together to make 5.

The fact you think I should be struck off the medical register for what I've written here is beyond belief. As for feeling sorry for my patients, that would make more sense if you had spoken to any of the close to 10000 I've successfully treated. No complaints, no enquiries. Lots of thank you letters, boxes of chocolates though. When another Dr in my hospital needs their relative treated I'm often the first asked. I'd take that as a fairly big vote of confidence in my skill and bedside manner. So I doubt very much you'll get your wish of seeing me struck off

As for the cases you've outlined above I c'ant be bothered to really comment on them I d'ont see why I should. I d'ont own the NHS.

Out of interest did your father smoke?

How can I tell someone to p1ss off? Just like everyone else can

Deep Singh

By the way its PARACETAMOL and CROHNS

Deep Singh

Trying not to comment but c'ant resist.

You slag the Drs off who 'misdiagnosed' your father. Did you thank the ones who spent 5+ hours reconstructing his face? Including the surgeons, anaesthetists, nurses etc?

You say he has to be fed via a tube in his stomach. Is it the fault of the Drs that he got cancer? Do you honestly think if it had been picked up earlier he would have been just cured just like that?

Just out of interest do you know how long a Consultant in Maxillo facial surgery( who probably operated on your father) trains for ? Approx 20 years inc med school. Its a level of commitment you have little appreciation for when you say 'they gave him MRSA'. Do you honestly think the surgeon wiped his hands in the toilet before he did the op?

Deep Singh

I gave my opinion. If you d'ont like it why d'ont you go elsewhere? Maybe 'your sort are'nt wanted on this forum' . What a childish thing to say. Plonker

the moose

Actually, DS is wanted on this forum, by me if by no-one else. His expertise is clearly of relevance here, and it would be to everyone's advantage if you'd tone down the hysteria and listen to someone who is highly intelligent and spent a very very long time qualifiying in their chosen profession. Most (like 99%+) of doctors are excellent, and I can't imagine what it's like for someone in that position to have tabloid-esque hyperbole thrown at them.

If you want a sensible discussion, I'm sure you can have one. Equally, sling half-baked assertions around and you'll get a hostile reception. Your choice, I guess.

jods

Wind your neck in sweety.

mr & mrs carlos uk300

you've hit the nail on the head i agree 99% of doctors are excellent and we have a lot to be thankful for it just so happens that i happened to visit the 1% that couldn't be bothered to do his job IMO, and just for the record, when i walked in to the surgery the receptionist brought in a load of medical records put them on his desk and he said "what's all this" in a very abrupt manner, which IMO isn't very proffesional < sp?> wouldn't you agree.

jods

Can I clarify something here.
You walk into reception and the reception staff automatically pick up a "load of medical records" they then proceed to the doctors room and you just followed out of curiosity ?

Deep Singh

Thats very kind and humbling.

I'm very happy to have a sensible debate, but there were posts on here stating Drs were a bunch of badly educated f2ckwits. I find that offensive and said so.

When things go 'wrong' in medicine you can very broadly divide it into 3/4 categories

1) The Dr is not competant. This happens, just like there are incompetant solicitors, policemen, stockbrokers, (look at your pension/endowment!)

2) There are major flaws in the system. This is a REAL problem. I work with systems/equipment when dealing with peoples lives that would never be allowed in the aviation industry for example.They are dangerous. They rely on my constant vigilance rather than being made 'human proof'. I am human and so can make a mistake like anyone else

3) Adequate rest. Remember there are strict laws on how much rest a lorry driver must have, yet I have in the past treated patients when I have'nt slept for 3 days. That is not an exaggeration, I mean 3 whole days.Thats not my fault its the way it was/is. I thank god daily that I never made a f8ck up

4) We do not have crystal *****. We c'ant plug you into a computer and give you a diagnoses. The human body and its diseases come in such varied presentations that with all the best will in the world we will NEVER get it right all the time. We accept that in every other walk of life, its just that in medicine the consequances can mean peoples lives.
Even after being in the game for 15 years the different ways peoples diseases present does'nt fail to amaze me. When you think you've seen it all, you see something else. For me thats the fascination with medicine.

I may have reacted a bit, but for someone who has honestly put his heart and soul into the job for 15 years I found some of the comments frankly insulting.

Deep

mr & mrs carlos uk300

Eh No i walked into the doctors surgery after he shouts out my son's name, then was followed in by the receptionist, who then put the medical records on his desk, who i asume were the other peoples who was still waiting to be seen.

Is that any clearer for you.

Deep Singh

After saying all that I must add something. One thing I have learnt after treating 100s of children is that 'mum usually knows best' ie nobody knows the child like mum, if she thinks something is wrong, ignore her at your(the Drs) peril

Soulgirl

It's no use being angry regarding an NHS GP. If every appointment they had were genuine then there would be more time for everyone. However, because around 80% of appointments are wasted on people with colds, people with cosmetic conditions, mothers with children who aren't really ill and old people just wanting a chat to stave boredom, the GP's are stretched to stupidity really.

GP's are there to provide primary care we know, however, if you really think your child (or any other patient) is seriously ill, then a trip to A&E is the best place for promt action.

It's all to easy to judge and demean a GP following an acute illness where acute symptoms weren't necessarily presenting at the time of the GP consultation - however, this is primarily an unfair accusation after the fact. The fact is, you know your child better than ANY specialist... you know every facet of their behaviour and presentation - doctors do not. You could have been firm during the GP consultation and voiced your concern further.

Everybody in the whole wide world is completely different, if we were computers then diagnosis and treatment would be textbook.

I think it would be wholly unfair of you to make a formal complaint. Instead, make an appointment with the offending GP again to voice your concerns and at least have the decency to listen to his retort.

I am not trying to detract from the worry and anticipation of your child's ill health, but from an outsiders point of view, I can understand the GP's decision at that time really.

I hope your Son is feeling better, and that you have sought solace through the NHS

jods

Much much clearer.

I may be wrong - perhaps DS could clarify - but I would have thought that the receptionist would only bring in the records relating to the patient being presented to the GP.

For him/her to be driven to pass a comment on the size of your medical record portfolio speaks volumes.

I'll bet that you were stressing like mad at reception weren't you.
Be honest - you were giving it loads weren't you !!

How many times have you been to the GP's Surgery in the last 12 months ?
Bet you've got your own chair !

Soulgirl

come on, GP's can't be expected to remember the symptoms and problems of each and every patient, and they certainly do not have any amount of time to read brief notes, let alone full patient notes. You have but 10 minutes to advise your GP of your ailment in as much detail as you can.

You have to give it some welly during the consultation.

I have seen far to often people complain after the fact when in reality they sat there during the consultation with their mouths open not uttering a single word and just nodding at the GP's comments.

You have to take control from the off

jods

Soulgirl - Are you advocating a policy of kicking the door in and shouting the odds ? Perhaps even exaggerating symptoms a teeny weeny bit ?

Can you imagine what it must be like to work in that sort of environment?
No wonder GP's smoke and drink like they do - poor sods.

They must have the patience of a saint, I know for one that I wouldn't be any good as a GP - I'd be struck off for telling people to "Shut their whinging", "Wind their necks in" and "Pull themselves together"

Perhaps that's what we need - Might reduce the billions of pounds a year wasted in the health service for this sort of crap. Spend it on real issues like cancer research.

In fact - I'll predict that within 10 years you'll have to pay a fee for a consultation say £10 / £20 with a possibility of a partial refund / credit ond medication should it be found that you actually have a real condition.

Soulgirl

I don't think you read my post correctly... I am sticking up for the GP to be read in conjunction with http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showpost....6&postcount=77

I work in the private medical sector... ill people don't complain, they are grateful, others make everyones life hell!

I had a woman today, we have paid 43 thousand pounds for her treatment albeit cancer, double mastectomy 8 years ago, today she complains we wont pay 100 pounds for her plastic bra. She asked in a derogatory manner if she should walk around without breasts basically... I so wanted to answer than many women don't have breasts and to stop whinging LOL.

Yes, you're right, I have no sympathy

little-ginge

No you cant comment cause you are not even worthy enough for me to wipe my feet on. You do the profession of medicine an injustice.

If you bothered to read my post you will see that i posted this..

admittedly there are some very fine doctors who do know what they are doing and do care and take the time to investigate and then we have the others..

It shows just how backward a thought process YOU must have .. At NO time did i say that if it had been caught earlier he would have 'been cured just like that' - you are making unjust assumptions. The maxo consultant was an absolute star and even he said that it should have been picked up by the GP... Obviously if it had been look at properly to begin with, it would not have been such a huge operation - it's partially thanks to the stunning work of the conusltant that my dad is here today. And yes we did thank him - who wouldnt, tw*t??

It was the doctor & nurses fault that he contracted MRSA - dirty, soiled bandages left for days on end on an open wound which in the end i had to get the patient liason guys to intervene in as they just werent doing their job..The consult was furious when he found out what his staff members had let happen. Dirty syringes left lying around and not disposed of in the sharps bins. Jesus, in the patients toilets, faeces samples were left for 5 days.. this was cleared up only when we intervened & complained.
Just because you have a load of letters after your name does not a) make you gods gift b) mean you are right... to me you are a smug arrogant b*stard of the highest order.

You are right you don't own the NHS... you are only the EMPLOYEE, there to provide a service. If you don't provide it then expect to be complained about. Why should we keep quiet about things like this..our lives in hands of people like you.

I honestly don't expect someone like you to give care or give a toss..your sort never do. It's more than likely a money thing.

Soulgirl

Littleginge has an axe to grind because, as I mentioned earlier, there are after facts that make him think he has the right to complain. No offence mate, it's a natural reaction to something you had/have no control over so by complaining you think you have aided the sufferer.

How many other people did his GP see that month with a split tongue? Cancer doesn't have a neon sign above the afflicting site advising of impending death.

I hate it, so hate it, when people see fit to slag off the medical profession against something they know NOTHING about. If we were that clever we would diagnose ourselves and be done with it.

Also, GP's are NOT god! Therefore there shall be an element of human error and damn you if you think you can complain about that. Think about the last time you made an error, well, doctors and surgeons are exactly the same.

It's coming to a point where people don't want to be doctors or surgeons any more because of the stupid bull**** and hurdles placed in front of them every day, and usually based around fiscal remuneration. People aren't interested in life or death, they are interested in how much they can make from a mistake.

Deep Singh was right to defend his quater. You were wrong to assume that he did otherwise. You were also wrong to asume it was a particular persons fault that your relative contracted MRSA - did it come with a name tag? It is usually spread by healthy persons visiting the patients who have a lowered immunity.

I think you were very rude actually, and quite off base.

And another thing.. you expect the fukcing Ritz when you are paying for the equivalent of the YMCA!

little-ginge

erm I'm a she..

and i don't have an axe to grind.. I only brought the above up when Deep Singh insuated that everyone who commented on here thought doctors were 'feckwits' i believe his words were. I pointed out then and there that whilst we have good doctors etc, we have some rotten apples in the system.

I think most of the profession are stars who work their boll*cks off and i have stood up for them in the past.

Yes there is always going to be an element of error in any profession i concede to that; however, it seems to be happening more & more these days with GP's etc.. maybe it's cause they are overworked, stressed etc and maybe on the flip side it's because they just can't do their job.

We have not seeked any sort of recompense.. our requirements were that my dad received the best care possible and when it wasnt being delivered we spoke up which is our right. You complain when you buy a tv which doesnt work, so equally we speak up when something goes wrong with something like this, which in this case it did. This then helped the ward & its staff, and ulitmately the hospital to improve so that other people were not put in the postion my dad was left in.

I am only 'slagging' (although I would prefer commenting) on the situations I know about first hand. And no cancer doesnt have an 'impending death' (thats a lovely caring way to put it) sign however, when someone returns time after time with a problem, particularly one who has had problems with the area b4 and has seen consultants, and where the problem has almost split his tongue so far in half it is practically falling off, then yes i think the doctor should get off his/her **** and do a bit more.

As you said, wouldnt it be great if we could diagnose ourselves but we can't.. Again we are placing our trust and ultimately our lives in their hands - people who you guys admit have had years of training...


I object to Deep Singhs attitude - i think it stinks. I would refuse to have someone like that treat me or mine.
At NO point did i say ( as stated by his nibs) and i resent being included in that:

'but there were posts on here stating Drs were a bunch of badly educated f2ckwits. I find that offensive and said so.'

Also there is no need for him to come at everyone with

1) You were too stupid/lazy at school to be a Dr.

2) You were clever/able enough but decided to do something more lucrative and comfortable where you did'nt spend half your life in a zombie like state after working a 100 hours a week.

just because you are a doctor/suregon/nurse whatever, doesnt mean you are better than the rest of us. Get over it.

Look at the end of the day, you work in a proffession where there are problems left right and centre. You feel strongly about your side of things and others feel strongly about theirs.

Unless the government smarten up their act and sort out our supposed Health service the problems are only going to get worse.

I may be way off base in your eyes, but honey, you would stick up for it, who pays your wages...

As stated, (Unless you didnt read it properly) even the SENIOR consultant ( you know, one of those people who have been in the profession 20+ years) blamed it on the Doctors & Nurses..

If anyone is rude and off base, it is Dip**** Singh ( see 2 of us can play the 'lets see what we can do with peoples names game). I really pity anyone who is treated by him.

Accept it and move on. I am.

Adios.

Soulgirl

Don't you think that Deep Singh has a right to be defensive, after all the negative comments here I would say he does.

I apologise for sexing you wrongly

Perhaps the reason wrongs are more apparent these days is because there are more patients and less doctors. Or, more patients who think they know more about the law than doctors know about medical matters.

Yes I'm hard, we all have to die, and lets face it, 50 years ago people were dying of silly illnesses compare to today. Now MRSA hits the headlines and it's the hospitals fault. Well no, I do not agree... it's a biological being with it's own agenda and one that we can only follow behind and learn from.

Perfect care would possibly be solitary confinement, and I'm sure 99.9% of patients would not advocate that kind of treatment.

I agree with you though, yes, some Doctors cannot see beyond their nose but that could be said of any individual, as you pointed out. This thread however voiced an opinion that the NHS was crap, which it is not.

And to blame the government is another sidestep really. Lets stop all the dole-sucking scum using all our hard earned money.. let's stop using our hard earned money paying for the lives of foreign nationals claiming to be persecuted... how's about we adopt the American way of paying for all our medical needs? Why not? Because there would be uproar from the very same dudes that complain about absolutely everything else.

It's a no win situation isn't it.

I know of a couple who haven't worked for the past 30 years and constantly belittle and berate the NHS, how fukcing dare they.... oops, now I'm on another journey

little-ginge

Yep he has a right to be defensive..just as i do..but he tars everyone with the same brush I didnt theres the difference..

Lets agree to disagree cause i don't think we are going to agree on anything else re this subject..

and you are forgiven for wrongly sexing me!

Soulgirl

I still thought your trampolining was great

little-ginge

and still you thought i was a bloke..

Soulgirl

lol - yes - ooops But only up until I remembered your trampolining post - I don't remember everyones usernames/real life being Besides, if you saw photos of me as a gymnast/trampolinist you would have thought I was a boy

little-ginge

PMSL - I'll take your word for it...