OllyK

What's wrong with just asking the doctor to explain himself before going tearing off to the press? If he can't account for his action take it to the GMC. If you feel they are not taking it seriously, then is the time to take it to the press.

The Zohan

Perhaps did not explain myself very well.

Yes i would want an explaination from the horses mouth, subject to this and being unsatisfactory i would make a media issue of it and or go through the proper channels

OllyK

Fair play.

Just seems to me these days there are a lot of mis-understandings and often due to poor communication. We seem to have followed the US in to a tell the press and sue culture rather than trying to talk the issues through and get resolution.

I really would have to be at the end of my tether before I'd ask the press to come sniffing about in my life, no doubt misrepresenting my siituation to fit the story they want to tell.

mr & mrs carlos uk300

Actually i did ask for him to do an assesment on my son after he wrote the script and i was told because it was an emergency appointment he didnt have the time and that he would need a booked appointment, which i tried to get in the first place. So that tells me if my son had been blue round the mouth and gasping for breath as he was last night he would still have said he wouldnt have time to put a stethoscope on his chest bull sh*t it was 5.30 in the evening, everyone in before us must of been in there for 30sec or less, to me he couldnt be bothered to do his job and just wanted to get home.

And no i don't consider myself better qualified at all i just know from past experience with my childs asthma what the problem was and what treatment would have prevented this. And it proves i was right.

Don't get me wrong I do have a high opinion of doctors my oldest son was treated for suspected menengitis last year and was hospitalised for 5days, luckily it was a bad viral infection, but the doctors and staff were absolutely brilliant with my son and me and my husband. As they were last night in the hospital, my grievence is with this GP who deffinately didn't do his job and it's funny cos everyone agrees with me apart from you but i suppose you always get one.

OllyK

But isn't that kind of the point, it was an "emergency" appointment and it wasn't an emergency at the time, indeed if it had been, you would have taken your child to A&E and not the doctor, which you did later when it did become an actual emergency.

I appreciate that NL's stupid 3 day waiting list has made a mockery of the situation, however, if it can't wait until a slot is free at your GPs then maybe you should be considering A&E anyway?

As the doctor isn't here and everybody else seems happy to put the boot in without hearing what the guy has to say, I think somebody should try and balance this out.

Geezer

That sums up for me what has gone wrong in this country. "If it's not the GPs fault, then someone is to blame".

We have slid into this crap blame culture, doens't anyone have accidents, or just have a tragic story anymore?

Doctors do make mistakes, they are only human. Anyone here who doesn't **** up at work please step forward. OK, it's a bit more serious if a doctor makes a mistake, but that is different from being negligent.

The doctor in this sorry tale sounds like a man under pressure, and the situation in his eyes was not that serious. Does that make him a bad doctor? If it does, then probably all the other GPs in the UK are too.

Geezer

jods

Make that two. I don't agree with you.
You sound like a bit of a whinger to me.

Flame suit well wrapped up

mr & mrs carlos uk300

I have a concern about my childs health and that makes me a whinger. Yeah right saddo

little-ginge

I hope this makes sense...

How do you differentiate an emergency for the doctor or for the local A&E department?

You phone the surgery for a normal appointment and cannot get it for ages ( i normally have to wait 2 weeks b4 i can see a GP by that time the problem has more than likely gone), your child is unwell, to the point that he cannot breath and has a history of asthma - you explain this to the receptionist ( who has been trained to respond appropriately to this type of thing) who advises you to have an 'emergency' appointment with the doctor. You are following their advice, right?

It is only right that you expect to have a proper consultation with the GP - if it is serious enough that you can't wait for a normal appointment, then they should take this on board and do a thorough examination - especially of a poorly child.

I would imagine that most people, in this sort of cirumstance, would rather seek the advice from their GP for a number of reasons, including

a) the persons medical history is held at the surgery, so ease of reference re previous problems
b) If you think it the probelm is that serious then yes you would go to A&E straight away, but if you think the GP can deal with it, why take up the time of a busy casualty deptartment - arent we always being informed that these places find it difficult to cope with the demands of patients who could have seen their GP first?

I agree with the comments re treading carefully on this re complaining as I have heard of people being struck off the doctors list and then having immense problems being registered elsewhere as they are seen to be troublemakers; however, if you feel that strongly maybe make a complaint to the partners of the Doctors surgery you belong to and ask for their opinions...

Mrs C... I hope your son is ok and not too upset by what he has been through in the last 24hrs .. and I hope you and Mr C are ok too...!!

Little-G
xx

jods

Are you THICK or something??

I have no issue with a parent having concerns about their childs health which you will be able to deduce if you read my initial response to you first post.

I even sympathised with the probability that the Dr was less "Emotionally Engaged" than you were.

What I have an issue with is your reaction in so far as wanting to further stretch already limited time and monetary resources by registering a complaint.

YOU DON'T HAVE A COMPLAINT. Your kid is gonna live.
Shut your Skriking whinging neck.

God, you're pi55ing me off and I haven't even met you.

In fact - DO COMPLAIN - YourGP will probably thank you for it cos he will
1. Be found totally blame free
2. Be able to cart you (no doubt HUGE) **** off his rounds list

mr & mrs carlos uk300

Cheers LG, he is fine now, he slept until 12 midday so it took it out of him a bit and i'm thankful it's now raining to dampen the pollen down, at least now i have the inhaler my minds at rest.

little-ginge

How does a perfectly resonable post degenerate into THAT^^?

I can see both sides to the story but have to go with Mrs C on this...everyone is entitled to their opinion; HOWEVER, there is no need for you (JODS) to dive to that sort of level of immature response.

OllyK

I'd just like to comment on this bit. You make it sound like GPs are not busy, that they roll in at 9am and are watching the clock to get out the door by 5pm. Many GPs do an awful lot of hours outside surgery hours in terms of home visit, on call, sugeries at remote locations etc etc.

I'd suggest at the time the child was at the GP it wasn't an emergency. It escalated later in to one and was dealt with appropriately by the medical staff concerned. If the anti-histamine had worked, we wouldn't be discussing this, the doctors "non-examination" would be a non-issue. Not all initial treatments work, some conditions need additional attention.

I'm not suggesting people all dash down the A&E for every little bump and bruise either, we seem to be a nation of hypochondriacts. If it can wait a couple of days, book an appointment with the GP. If it's potentially life threatening or a serious injury go to A&E. If it's a scratch, put a plaster on it.

mr & mrs carlos uk300

I tell you what i'd love to meet you, just to p*ss you off even more, you w*nker.


And if i'm p*ssing you off that much why bother reading or posting on my thread so **** OFF

OllyK

How can you see both sides of the story when the doctor isn't here to give his side?

little-ginge

ok both sides of the argument...not the story..

OllyK

Story / argument - much the same.

I have no idea what the doctor's side is. I just thought it a bit unfair that everybody was giving him a kicking and he wasn't able to defend himself. I put forward some possible explanations but I in no way claim that it is as the doctor saw it. Unless he puts forward his side of the story I can't really see how it can be anything other than an "open verdict".

little-ginge

no the story involves the doctor..

the argument is you, me and the other SN users debating the point...

i'm not claiming anything also..just putting my thoughts across..

At the end of the day, Mr&MRS Carlos son has received treatment and is feeling better; however, doctors need to be aware of patients feelings ..after all they are offering a service to the public and are getting paid damn good money for it!

On the flip side, patients need to be aware if the doctors workloads..which in this partilcualr case I think it was heeded however the doctor just needed a little more care, compassion, throughness and professionalism by the sound of things.

HTH.

Deep Singh

I've never read such nonsense in my life.

People are so ready to jump down the medical professions throat, call them badly educated f8ckwits etc etc. Its boring really. There are bad apples and a bad system but for Drs it often seems guilty until proven otherwise.


Mrs C, I'm sincerley glad your kiddy is fine. But even your explanation is littered with inaccuracies. You d'ont measure oxygen by blowing down a tube etc you've got it a little messed up. I'm not defending the Dr as we d'ont know the whole story.

As for the high and mighty who like to slag off and make (mis) diagnoses I have simply this to say to you. You fall into one of two categories

1) You were too stupid/lazy at school to be a Dr.

2) You were clever/able enough but decided to do something more lucrative and comfortable where you did'nt spend half your life in a zombie like state after working a 100 hours a week.

Either way, p1ss off

Deep

mr & mrs carlos uk300

I never asked anyone to take anbody's side, I asked a simple question, HAS ANYONE MADE A COMPLAINT AND WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME?

OllyK

The answer is no, and from what you have said I don't think you have much of a case - but knock yourself out if you have time to spare.

the moose

Deep, I take it you're a doctor? If so, and had you been in the same situation as the GP (from what you understand of the situation), whould you have acted in the same way?

No axe to grind here, just curious as to a professional's view of this.

jods

Here, Here - I second that emotion.

mw2655

hi, first i'm glad your child is ok now, did they give you a spacer/mask with the inhaler as it's a better delivery of the drug with one?

the next anti-hayfever med would be a nasal steroid spray.

you could write to the practice manger with your complaint but a better way might be to book a double apt. with your gp to discuss your concerns with plenty of time to talk.

cheers matt

little-ginge

I take it you are a doctor? You want misdiagnonsis..have these and they are all doctors f*ck ups.

Well on a more personal note, how about the family gp, who 18 months ago, failed to spot my father had cancer of the tongue, despite him going back 3 times to the same GP with a huge split across his tongue which was an undiagnosed tumour - the advice take paracetomal!! After major surgery, reconstruction of his tongue using part of his forearm, a nice bout of MRSA which meant the donor site on his arm had to be reoperated on, due to lack of care by the doctors, and now having to be fed through a tube in his stomach, don't you DARE sit on here and type that sh*t.

Or the friend of the family who had terrible stomach pains and was dimissed with an infection..again turned out to be cancer which then spread to other organs. The man died 3 weeks ago.

Or my cousin who had Crhons disease and had most of his inside removed years ago.. started having problems went GP who said it was the remaining part of his insides having a small flair up. Cousin went along with this diagnosis...again it was cancer which spread throughtout the rest of his body. He died 3 years ago leaving behind a 15mths old son.


So don't tell people to p*ss off.. who the hell do you think you are?

People have the right to complain. If a doctor is not doing his job properly then he shouldnt be allowed to do it at all. There are exceptionally bad ROTTEN apples in the medical profession..take Shipman for an example or are you saying he was innocent?

We put our trust in these people. Some of them do not give a toss for whatever reason and at the end of the day they are playing with peoples lives.

Not all doctors are saints as people make them out to be. admittedly there are some very fine doctors who do know what they are doing and do care and take the time to investigate and then we have the others..

If you are someones doctor I pity them, you obviously have agreat bedside manner.You should be struck off the medical registrar.

Chins

Few of my friends are not as clever as myself and therefore became Doctors

What I can say is that the complaints culture is helping to make their life miserable. My mate works his nuts off, cares about all his patients and would never knowingly treat someone incorrectly. Yet patients will still complain. Being underinvestigation is not nice, adds imense stress to an already stressfull job etc.

Anyone can complain about the service they get from my incredible sales service and I wont lose sleep. I dont envy any Doctor today with the culture we are in and the constant worry that they will be infront of the GMC.

I'm glad I had enough intelligence to foresee this and become a rep

Cheers

Jonathan

mw2655

have a look here.....

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/en.asp?T...46&LinkID=3921

but it's better all round to not make it formal too soon..

jods

Only applying the same tone as Mrs C - If she wants a heated debate she'll get a heated debate. If she climbs down off her horse and stops whittering like a damn fool then a reasoned debate will ensue.



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Originally Posted by OllyK
Ahh I see. You child wasn't having an attack when he saw the GP, but you wanted him to give the same treatment that another doctor gave him several hours later when he was actually having an attack?


Are you thick or something!! Your totaly missing the point. The doctor didn't examine his chest to see if his chest was clear or not or measure the level of oxygen, any decent doctor who reads a history of asthma of a patient, i would of thought would listen to a patients chest. If i'd gone and the doctor had examined him and then said his breathing was fine and he doesnt need an inhaler then fine, but because he didn't examine him he never knew how bad his chest was, pure laziness if you ask me

Anyhow who the **** are you! seems to me you must be a wannabe doctor know it all.

little-ginge

[QUOTE=jods]Only applying the same tone as Mrs C - If she wants a heated debate she'll get a heated debate. If she climbs down off her horse and stops whittering like a damn fool then a reasoned debate will ensue.


a heated debate is all well and good but there is no need to be personally offensive surely??!!!!!

i'm only commenting so don't start on me!!

OllyK

[QUOTE=little-ginge]I think jods was picking up on the insults directed at me by Mrs C in light of a question, ie. "Are you thick or something" and "Anyhow who the **** are you! seems to me you must be a wannabe doctor know it all."