hawkthescoobslayer

where abouts are you again n one? don't kno if it's tweaked I doubt it

possibilities so far then

Mitsu MR 400 ............ 4 seats a boot but NOT exactly luxury
New Audi RS4 ............ 4 seats a boot and luxury NOT as quick
New BM M5 ............ 4 seats a boot and luxury NOTas quick
Ferrari F60 Enzo ............. 2 seats NO boot NO Luxury BUT quicker
Ariel Atom 300............. 2 seats NO boot NO Luxury BUT quicker
Porsche Carerra GT............. 2 seats NO boot and Luxury and quicker
Merc McLaren SLR............. 2 seats NO boot and Luxury and quicker
McLaren F1............. 3 seats NO boot NO Luxury and quicker

hmmm nothing springs to mind yet......

Vec

The new BMW M6 seems promising
Merc SL55
Merc SL65
Ferrari 575
Bentley GT
Aston Vanquish 'S'
Noble M400
TVR Cebera

jonc

Hows about this:

Nismo R34 GT-R Z-Tune
4 seats, a boot, certain amount of luxury and likely to be faster

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/driven/...gtr_ztune.html
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...5_scc_skyline/

v8voodoo

Luxury..? Pah. Go buy a Range Rover or something.
Point to point, Metro 6R4 or Westfield SEight.

Now they'd be fun.

jonc

And for real performance luxury with 4 seats and a boot:
Merc CL65
http://www.ameinfo.com/32232.html

Moray

how many drugs do you guys sell then ?

jeremy

I'm surprised no one has really commented on the truly important issues regarding fast road driving.

1. Predictability
2. Adjustability
3 on-limit poise
4. slip characteristics
5. four-wheel drive characteristics
6. bump-absorbsion
7. Steering feel
8. Chassis feel

Also added into the equation must be driver commitment. Certain cars/configurations suit drivers who are willing to risk it by relying heavily on oversteer, throttle adjustability, left-foot braking etc. Many drivers see such agressive on-road driving as too dangerous to ever be worth it. With that in mind many cars can be driven to just about the same a to b speeds as one another- with the main difference being their latent potential to handle X way in emergency situations; to which I say if a car has too much tire/grip when slippery bits appear (wet, oil, sand) such cars are more apt to slide right off into a wall, electronic aids be damned.

Note: Chris Harris, last year compared a 911 turbo to a Hyndai WRC- and timed each into and through corners, it wasn't even close. For supercar money a used WRC car could easily be put on the road.

ALso note that for wet-road driving cars like the old Audi Urq with lots of weight up front- and average size tires (wheels) tend to provide more mechanical traction than cars with the now popular front-mid engine config.

n one

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[QUOTE=hawkthescoobslayer]where abouts are you again n one? don't kno if it's tweaked I doubt it

How soon you forget, about 4 miles from you... the big City

zoog

Lotus Exige S2:

Not most powerful, but super agile, light as a gnat, and cut slicks as standard equipment. Seems to tuck in just behind the mega cars in lap times, and is devastating on A/B roads.

jameswrx

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don't think there'd be an amazing amount in it though, have you seen the link in the M5 thread about it keeping with the new Lambo and paaing a 993TT (with factory upgrade) etc?

princessyin

mitsubishi evo rs450
lamborghini murcielargo
ariel atom
ultima gtr
mclaren f1
westfield xtr2 or something

those would be my choices

Gutmann pug

I would suggest it is a mines better than yours thread .....

I'll tell you what would beat you point to point, any car with a proper driver, and that includes the 360 Modena you were talking about. When I say proper driver I mean race driver or someone who really knows what they are doing.

Oh and that doesnt mean your not a good driver it just means that any car can be spanked by a lesser car when driven by a committed race driver or lunatic. Its the reason my little 130bhp pug overtakes 420bhp 911 turbo's. Its the same reason why my pug could be overtaken by 100bhp 106's and other such cars.

Just my two penny worth.

Gary

jonc

Thats why the Nismo Skyline R34 Z-Tune will spank the lot with all the electronic gizmos to help you out!!

Deep Singh

I'd like to be spanked with electronic gizmos. It costs me a fortune in Soho for the real thing

falkster

The fastest point to point (Standard) car is the Intergrale Evo

jeremy

Not one thread here indicates any sort of understanding of what it takes to drive fast on challenging roads *safely* (without killing yourself, after all whats the point of driving so fast if your risk of dying goes up to dangerous levels)- indeed as so many thousands DO each and every year! Don't you lot get it? an M5, a 4WD Lambo, a maclaren f1, a SLR, a 911, an Enzo, a skyline, an Impreza, a noble, a lotus, even a Porsche Cayanne (John Barker of Evo mag drove one back to back with an RS-6 and left the Audi standing on wet wales roads), a Zonda, an NSX, an Evo, a supra etc etc, can all be driven to just about the same speed (with two good drivers aboard) along any challenging B-road. They all have the combination of handling abilities reguired to tackle challenging roads. However, if its all grip and poise and composure, with no communication or indication, anywhere between your 265 section or 295 or 305 or whatever fat tires grip, about the point of slip, it could be curtains for the next fool who drives with their eyes and with no feeling!

corradoboy

I think I'd favour the F430, along with the Maclaren and the SLR, and of course the Carrera GT. Read a review of the F430 last night comparing it with a Gallardo and they rated it much higher. Bare in mind that the Gallardo has 4WD and a mighty 500bhp V10 over the Ferarri's 480bhp V8 and RWD, but the new "e-diff" is supposed to bring the car to life and give amazing driver feedback along with massive agility and grip. It was said it grips like a 4WD but communicates like the very best of RWD.
Forget the fast Audi's, as they have always been uncommunicative at speed, although they are supposedly answering some of that criticism in the new RS4 V8. I think the M5 may surprise many, especially if derestricted to allow its full 205mph potential, but it will always suffer on tighter roads with its weight. I'd also forget the MR400 ! Most motoring journo's agree that the MR340 is a better A-B car (a fact compounded by a MR300 owning friend whom recently had a go in a 400 and was seriously underwhelmed), and luxury doesn't come into it.
The Noble and the Ultima I think would have the speed, but not the luxury. Much the same as many of the lightweight sportscars (Elise/Exige/Westies/Caterhams)

I have to say Paul, you are pretty much near the top of what is required for a great car, especially within the criteria you stated. I think the Pagani would top you, but at one Hell of a price.

Incidentally, was the Stradale Ian's ? I didn't realise he was back from France.

BTW Jeremy, I think we all understand what you're saying, but Paul could spend another few hundred thou to get a Zonda, but no amount of money will turn him into Ayrton Senna. I fully realise the value of quality driving, having many times in the past (and very recently) received tuition from professional drivers which has increased the potential of whatever car I'm driving significantly more than any pricy modifications would have.

Deep Singh

People waffling on about cars they have never driven and probably never will. Regurgitating what they've read in mags and vomiting stats.

What is the point??

JBONDO1

The fastest point to point (Standard) car is the Intergrale Evo. Well said!

jonc

The point is that this thread is just a bit of friendly banter/discussion. Nothing more, nothing less. We know that not everyone has access to all those exotic cars to provide a direct comparison, hence why we use magazine reviews to give us an idea how these cars compare. If this thread was only based on cars people have driven, well I imagine it would be pretty much a forgon conclusion and a very short thread, ie, how does the RUF911 compare with scoobies, etc.

ScooByer Trade

I would say twin hayabusa engines each with 500hp in a westfield or similar.

Deep Singh

I d'ont think it would be so short. Many here drive other cars apart from Scoobs. Though I love banter but someone giving an opinion on one car versus another when they have never even sat in either car is a bit silly.

Its like someone saying one girl is a better **** than another based on what they've seen of them in a porno mag!!

cookstar

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jonc

So what you're saying is don't be silly by posting your opinions unless you've been in a certain car. Therefore how would you propose to make a comparison/opinion with your car if you've never been in a RUF911, asuming that you have a car that is comparible to a RUF 911?

I would stick my neck out and say that there aren't many supercar owners who have been in a rare RUF911 to provide a direct comparison. So I say, we'll continue to post our opinions, be it from our own experience or based from what we can take from a magazine review to make an "informed" opinion, after all this is a forum. You can of course stick with your porno mags.

hawkthescoobslayer

[QUOTE=n one]sorry m8 it's these drugs im peddling

must get together for a blast sometime.

hawkthescoobslayer

near enough exactly what i'd come to think aswell

gutmann thanks for your two peneth worth although it does seem biased

I think what it comes down to is diminishing returns, you could spend over twice as much and the car would only be fractionally "better"

mind you it has made me realise there are some seriously nice motors out there.

paul

Gutmann pug

Not in the slightest bias, just saying that any car can be beaten by any other car depending on the experience and talent of the driver. Too much is talked about how fast a car is and not enough about the guy behind the wheel ........IMHO

Im sure you car is a stonker, but then so it should be it cost enough money........ So is a carrera GT, Macca F1, Radical, etc etc .... Which is the most capable, who'se to say. I guess you could use the top gear track times as a way of deciding the quickest. As for on the road, well non of us speed there now do we so its all irrelevant.

Gary

hawkthescoobslayer

fair comment

however in the next couple of months ive been offered (along as money permits) to have serious lessons given at a certain local track to me by two incredible drivers.

A certain Bintcliffe & Plato

just saving for the tyres right now

Gutmann pug

Well there you go, have your lessons then get the car on the track, thrash the holy hell out of it and still dont be suprised when someone passes you in what appears to be a dodgey old E30 318 BMW. Just so long as your gracious enough to go chat to the beemer driver after and not run to the hills tail between your legs then your ok by me..........

Gary

Deep Singh

jonc, I'm not trying to be a snob but can see it may seem that way. I love car banter, all day everyday. Thats why I spend so much time here. My point was that someones opinion on a Carrera GT vs SLR vs 911 Ruf based on what they've five knuckled to in a mag means very little

As you say there maybe few supercar owners who have also driven a Ruf, but they have at least owned a supercar of some sorts, not just a WRX. This may all make me sound like a snob, but I call a spade a spade. btw I d'ont own a car comparable to a Ruf 911.

As for my ****, you are welcome to share it