dave cos4x4

Yeh, had an off at Casle Combe and the car is a write-off.

Gutted as it was all just rebuilt,run in and set up.

hope you lot had a good day there today and glad the cars were all ok.



Dave.

Swordmaster

I'd like to extend my thanks to Rich for organising yet another enjoyable day at the rollers. I am very pleased with the figures, nice to see a 'Sport' turning a few heads.


regards

the swordmaster

STEVECHAPS

Thanks Rich, well happy with my figure despite the slipping on the rollers & the 0.4 bar boost (I'm assuming the heat got to it as it was back to 0.7 bar as normal on the way home!).
Some great cars, the Sport was excellent (Did it have a 'ickle turbo in there somewhere????), Alan's car is superb & it was great to see my favourite one make it's figures despite the heat (nice one Rob)!

4ndy

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Why , what figures did a sport get ???

speedstermick

yes good day rich.thanx.iirc the sport did ave a turbo as i saw im take his numberplate of to reveal a fmic.

mick.

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189 bhp!!!!!

P20SPD

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supercharged?

RICH WILD

Correct and only running a fraction of the boost of an OEM turbo (less than half). So an amazing achievement I reckon, especially considering the temp in there yesterday was 29 degrees!

Swordmaster

Nope no turbo. A supercharger.
Nope no FMIC. A radiator.

Just to clear up any confusion.

Definition of a 'Turbo' - This is a turbine driven centrefugal supercharger.

Whilst there are other types of supercharger (roots and twin screw) as used on the Mini Cooper S and various Mercs, this car uses a centrifugal supercharger

i.e. the air compression mechanism of the 'Tubo' and this supercharger is the same, it is merely the drive mechanism which differs,
'Turbo' - Turbine driven using exhaust gasses
'Super' - Belt driven from the crank

I hope this clears up any confusion.

the swordmaster

speedstermick

mechanical muppet me.

Swordmaster

No problem. Centrefugal superchargers are generally add ons rather than original equipment so most people assume a supercharger as being the type on the Mercs and Minis.

regards

the swordmaster

alanbell

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Rich good day as allways, Steve first, you second, was I 3rd ??? or did that opel beat me ????? cheers , Alan.

vulnax999

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The Supercharged sport sounded different and certainly showed the figured well.

Would the hot weather have affected it less than the turbo cars?

We were sure it was a FMIC ... at the front ... and along with the big brakes maybe a Turbo with a sport bonnet!

Swordmaster

Certainly not, it is a genuine MY00 Sport it has had some upgrades on the brakes due to the extra power (have you seen the brakes that are on the sport as standard!)

As to an FMIC, nope its a radiator for the chargecooler.

Turbos by their very nature produce large amounts of heat from the exhaust gasses that drive them. Centrefugal superchargers don't suffer from this due to the nature of the drive mechanism. There might be a case to say that chargecooler systems are less affected by high ambient temperatures than air to air intercoolers.

Glad to be of help

the swordmaster

Swordmaster

Was I last?


Do I get a wooden spoon?



the swordmaster

RICH WILD

Sorry for the delay but here are the results:

Just got to say Steve Chaps car was amazing 407bhp at 0.5 bar of boost. Looked and sounded awesome.

Well done to the swordmaster's 1st supercharged sport in the uk 189bhp at only 6psi (0.4bar) is extremely promising, especially in 30 degrees. Can't wait to see what a smaller pulley gives on a colder day.

All the cars seemed to suffer with the heat. 29 degrees inside the garage was recorded several times. That will have a significant efffect on any car, even a normally aspirated one.

Also on the day I thought mine recorded 310lbsft peak but when I got home and studied the graph it was actually 320lbsft and from 3750rpm to 6000rpm the torque curve is almost totally flat and never goes below 310lbsft.

1. Steve Chaps MY04 Noble M12 GTO 3R (M400 turbos and intercooler, uprated internals, raised boost) 407bhp 317lbsft

2. Craft MY02 STi (PPP, Prodrive 2nd cat replacement, TSL exhaust, STi panel) 292bhp 248lbsft

3. RLE MY03 STi (PPP, TSL 333 remap) 332bhp 290lbsft

4. NotoriousREV MY01 WRX (Supechip, full decat) 284bhp 283lbsft

5. Whitsteruk1 MY01 WRX (TD05 turbo,uprated pump, induction kit, full decat, Blitz Spec R boost controller, PPP) 288bhp 260lbsft

6. Kris Kocsis MY03 WRX (full decat, uprated pump, MRT panel ported headers, STi TMIC, Samco hoses) 283bhp 255lbsft

7. Alan Bell MY02 STi (Greddy FMIC, uprated pump and reg, big injectors, K&N induction, alloy headers, TD05/06 turbo, full decat, Tek3) 360bhp 313lbsft

8. KevC MY94 WRX (Blitz SUS Induction, MRT inlet plenum pipe, Full decat, Blitz Spec S boost controller, uprated fuel pump, HKS FCD, MRT lightened pulleys, ported headers, Iridium plugs, Hybrd FMIC) 309bhp 262lbsft

9. New boy MY96 UK turbo wagon (TD05 turbo, Hybrid FMIC, ported headers, uprated pump and reg, 440 inj, Apexi power FC, full decat, lightened flywheel) 281bhp 251lbsft

10. Speedstermick MY96UK turbo wagon (full decat, Dawes device, panel filter) 247bhp 228lbsft

11. Vulnax999 MY94 WRX wagon (TD05 turbo, Samosa twin cone airfilter, MRT inlet plenum pipe, OBX headers and uppipe (ceramic coated) STi5 TMIC, silicone hoses, 550 inj, full decat, Hybrid boost controller, Apexi Power FC, water spray, uprated fuel pump and reg, earthing mod, lightened pulleys and flywheel) 358bhp 320lbsft

12. Swordmaster MY00 2.0 Sport (K&N filter, H&S exhaust with sports cat, supercharger) 189bhp 164lbsft

13. Oldschool MY99 WRX (K&N filter) 274bhp 248lbsft

14. Rich Wild MY97 UK turbo (Blitz SUS induction, MRT silicon inlet, TD05FE turbo, ported headers and uppipe, full decat, MRT lightened pullies, HKS EVC 5 boost controller, Apexi Power FC, Uprated pump and reg, MRT uprated TMIC, Samco hoses) 371bhp 320lbsft

15. Paul Crafts MY97 STi3 RA (Blitz NUR spec exhaust) 238bhp 240lbsft

16. Scott Mags Series 1 Escort RS turbo (2.1 zvh bottom end with low compression pistons, FMIC, Piper cam, Induction kit, Superchip) 223bhp 205lbsft

RICH WILD

POWER

Steve Chaps 407 1
Rich Wild 371 2
Alan Bell 360 3
Vulnax999 358 4
RLE 332 5
KevC 309 6
Craft 292 7
WhitsterUK 288 8
NotoriousREV 284 9
Kris Kocsis 283 10
New Boy 281 11
Oldschool 274 12
Speedstermick247 13
Paul Crafts 238 14
Scott Mags 223 15
Swordmaster 189 16


TORQUE

Vulnax 999 & Rich Wild 320 1=
Steve Chaps 317 3
Alan Bell 313 4
RLE 290 5
NotoriousREV 283 6
KevC 262 7
WhitsterUK 260 8
Kris Kocsis 255 9
New boy 251 10
Craft & oldschool 248 11=
Paul Crafts 240 13
Speedstermick 228 14
Scott Mags 205 15
Swordmaster 164 16

* * * KEV * * *

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Thanks for another great day Rich, quite happy with my figures despite the hot day.
Going to wait now until the beginning of the new year before I put it on again, then maybe if you do your magic with the boost I can get a true figure with better temps.

Well done also to the Swordmaster with his sport although I think you need to work a bit on your dancing M8 LOL. Get the wooden spoon out. See you all again, KEV

Swordmaster

Quite

speedstermick

my last rolling road there i had 258bhp.still with cat d/pipe.this time 247bhp. with full decat. so il put it down to the scorchin weather.dont know what psi it ran at.?

mick.

* * * KEV * * *

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3 months ago I got 314bhp at 1.1bar, sunday I got 309bhp at 1.3bar, draw your own conclusions.

alanbell

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RLE with the sti got 332 bhp it has the tsl 333 pack (I THINK) so the rollers at well lane were fair on Sunday , my 360 bhp for my slow bugeye was ok >> isshhh Lots of room for improvement,

STEVECHAPS

Hi Alan, Rob's (My former fabulous, gorgeous, wonderful) car has the 333 remap with PPP hardware but it made a solid 330 on it's previous Well Lane outing. The only subsequent power affecting mod (that I know of ) is the constant water spray switch which I guess would've been a bit of a bonus on Saturday @ 29 degrees C!
Steve