Vegescoob

Oh dear, is this what the pros call thread shift?
Or, off topic?
Fuel protest anyone?
Or sit on our a@ses?

Luminous

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Protest. Where and when is what I want to know? Anyone know if we can join in with the lorry drivers?

pslewis

OK, you kiddies all plan a good old protest

I'll bet 50,000 will say they are up for it ......... 15 will turn up, look at each other sheepishly, realise they are all sad loners that smell of B.O. and then go home to suck on their mummies apron strings!!

Now................ if I organised it ............ the world WOULD know - but, I don't work cheap!

Pete

kingofturds

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and then they cost the nhs billions a year treating smoking related illnesses (also half of them buy cheap cigarrettes from overseas so no tax for hmg there then) they are a pure gold mine

dpb

A shame we cannot extract more from Lewis et all as the replacement council tax.....if he is what he says he is (unlikley)

pslewis

They die early ..... mainly BEFORE retirement!!

We can't lose ....... puff for the country!!

It beggars belief how people can smoke when they remove a *** from a box with letters the size of a numberplate saying 'THESE WILL KILL YOU' ........ Derrrrrrrrrr ..

If they get a brain and stop we will have to pay LOTS more Tax!!

Pete

pslewis

EH??????

And in Englsih that would be, what??

Pete

kingofturds

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only thing extracted from lewis is his boyfriends p##is on a regular basis

pslewis

And is that a problem for you???

Pete

kingofturds

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each to their own thats what i say. back on topic though pete surely as rich as you are you must begrudge paying 93p a litre for optimax? makes me sick maybe, if some of that tax was spent on improving our crumbling roaud infastructure i wouldnt be so bitter and twisted

pslewis

I pay 84p for Sainsburys SUPER ........... this is EXACTLY what I mean with you bunch of moaners,

You HAPPILY pay a PREMIUM to gain some imagined advantage - yet moan when the price goes up!!

If you own a UK car then buy NUL at 82p!!

If you own an Import, well ....... you made a mistake when you bought the car .. thats NOT the governments fault!

Pete

kingofturds

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yeah i made the mistake of buying an import with all that extra bhp and air con gutted

dpb

You could have saved a fortune Pete if youd bought an import ,had it serviced by Len down the road - benefitting the local economy................AND had a proper scooby thus contributing more adequatley to Gordans coffers....

pslewis

Imports are for mugs ..............

You look silly complaining of Petrol Prices and then driving a car only capable of 12mpg, on petrol costing 94p a litre PLUS Octane Booster!!

Pete

kingofturds

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which at least 82 p is tax still this country is so much better of for all this extra tax we are paying great roads hospitals and low crime levels , oh hang on 3 fatal stabbings in a week nl tough on crime tough on the causes of crime my fooking **** vote labour!

RB170

All I'm going to add is The cheapest BP Ultimate by me is 93.9p a ltre wtf is going on there ??

But then the cheapest SUL in my area is.........93.9p a ltre ??

dba

i pay 95p a litre for diesel thus blowing Mr Lewises theory out of the water

Luminous

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He is winding you all up, just learn to ignore him totally......

Brit_in_Japan

"not going to the NHS" ??? I politely suggest you that don't know what you are talking about.

The NHS has had it's funding boosted significantly by New Labour since they came to power. The aim is to increase spending to 8% of GDP by 2007/2008. To do that the current spending of £68 billion per year will need to be increased by about £12 billion per year. To bring our health spending up to French and German levels we would need to spend an additional £27 billion per year and £35 billion per year respectively.

You can find the figures here.

How do the French and Germans do it? Higher taxes, especially employers taxes (taxes on employing people). That's part of the reason why those economies have much higher unemployment rates, it costs more money to hire someone.

More money has gone on schools and police too. To suggest that taxes generated have gone on scroungers and immigrants is downright false and I would say dangerous. For a start there has never been more people in employment in the UK, that doesn't sound like scrounging to me. Secondly immigrants benefit the economy. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit in with your prejudices, but it is true. They come here to work, to earn a living, to enjoy a better standard of life. The same reason people from the UK move to Spain, Canada, Australia, Japan even

Yes petrol is expensive, but as someone previously mentioned, if they reduced petrol tax they would only have to raise it some other way. Much of the current increase in petrol costs are due to global demand for oil reaching the supply limit. In fact some respected oil industry experts are expecting global oil production to peak in 2007, followed by a long slow decline. Given that oil consumption is rising, especially in economies such as China and India, the law of supply and demand will mean much higher prices than you see right now. Petrol companies are trying to find new reserves and extend the recovery of oil at existing facilities, but it's happening at a much lower rate than those reserves are being used. Shell last year only replaced 20% of their used reserves. There is almost no possibility that production can be boosted much beyond current levels. So high fuel prices are here to stay for the long term and reducing the tax will have a negligible long term effect on fuel prices.

So the protests are a giant waste of time, they cannot change the long term reality of living in a world of restricted oil reserves and the inevitable upward price rises as production declines.

Luminous

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I'll take issue with the last part of your post. If the petrol companies can sell petrol for 10p per litre, and the rest is tax you cannot say that reducing tax will not have an effect!!

If the tax on fuel was abolished completely, then petrol prices would have to incresae 9 fold for them to get to current levels. It would be very easy for the government to alter the amount of tax they charge to ensure that pump prices do not become far too high for the average person. If they do it will effect our economy, transport should be subsidised, not penalised. It is what makes the wheels of our economy turn.

Brit_in_Japan

Reducing tax would have a short term effect, but there would be no long term benefit, that's my point. Try and work out how much the basic rate of income tax would have to rise by to abolish all tax on petrol. Then ask the general tax paying population (including a significant minority who don't own cars) if they would accept such an increase. I think the response would be no way. If petrol was cheap but you had less in your pay packet, are you really any better off? Of course not.

Also we should be reducing consumption of petrol for both environmental and for strategic reasons. The UK has just become an oil importer again as North Sea oil production declines (it peaked a number of years ago) so we will increasingly be reliant on foreign oil and the whims and instabilities of other countries. The US populous see this as the main reason for moving towards higher economy cars, hence why Toyota Prius sales are increasing sharply whilst Ford and GM are seeing SUV sales sharply down.

Luminous

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I think it would be daft to abolish completely. It was daft to say that reducing tax on petrol will not effect the pump price we pay.

I'm not sure why it is that people are struggling to grasp this. We should be taxed a fair amount on whatever issue it is. Massive amounts of revenue are generated by motorists, but only a tiny proportion of this is spent on our transport system. Tax levels should be reduced until the motorists do not prop up other areas of funding.

That will mean tax rises in other areas, but that is fair. You should pay your own way. Others are scrounging at the motorists expense. Smokers are taxed heavily for their NHS treatment, fair enough, same for drinkers. We do not make a profit from them. Why should we make a profit from the motorist.

The last point is that the government can promote a lower dependancy on oil by giving tax breaks on alternative fuels, something they currently do. Once that alternative technology becomes widely available more and more people will convert, as they are starting to do now.

Mick

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I assume that is not for your Scoob! You won't need very much of it if is - one tankful should suffice LOL

Anyway on environmental issues we don't need nice clean petrol engines swapped for dirty diesels pumping out carcinogenic soot - why do you think the US doesn't have much in the way of small diesel engines running around! - And then Europe moans at them for not joining in the Kyoto treaty!
You can have a soot trap granted - but not many vehicles do and there is a significant fuel penalty for using that technology.

Some funny comments on this thread - keep it up

Mick

KJD Mk1

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Good luck to them, the stuffs gone through the roof again

pslewis

If you want your petrol costs to cost you less......

Buy a car that will return a better mpg than the Impreza

If you want to race around the streets then, sorry, its gonna cost ya'!! Why?? because you are universally hated .... and thats the truth!!

People HATE RoyBacers, they HATE loud exhausts, they HATE being overtaken by an Impreza ................ you see it their gesticulations and their flashing headlights!!

I have to put up with being tarred with the same brush that the RoyBacers are and I'm getting damned fed up with it! STOP racing around and STOP moaning about petrol costs!! Buy a MOPED FFS!!!

Pete

scoobydooooo

" you want your petrol costs to cost you less......

Buy a car that will return a better mpg than the Impreza "
how is this going to make petrol cost less ??? you might get get better mpg but i doubt it will make petrol cheaper !

borat52

Heres an interesting website which goes into good detail on the relationship between the tax burden and econimic growth rates:
http://taxesandgrowth.ncpa.org/hot_issue/growth/
As it says, beyond a certain level of taxation, the money starts being spent on subsidies, and employing people who are not necessary (governments like to get people on the public payroll because 1.) it reduces unemployment by getting people jobs, and 2.) they are more likely to vote for a government who employs them) . When you make a job for which there is no demand it acts as a sink in the economy. You are paying somebody to do a job which no one is willing to pay for the result of. At the crudest level you pay somebody to dig a whole and fill it in again - they get a wage, but nobody else benefits from it. Theres lots of that going on in the UK today, all the "gay lesbian and transgender officers" you will find in your local councils, all the middle management in the NHS ect. There were figures released about 6 months ago about the education department. Out of 80 000 new people employed in the department less than 20 000 were actual teachers. This government wastes vast quantities of money on unproductive tasks.
The easiest way to think about it is this. If somebody makes you a car, you pay them a wage for the car and you et a car from it. Both sides benefit.
If the government pays comebody to dig a hole and fill it in, you pay wage but you get nothing back from it - a sink in the economy. The government need to provide certain services which would be badly handled in the private sector(ie trains) but beyond this they really do spend YOUR money unwisely.

borat52

I like your liberal free minded attitude:
"Its ok for people to do whatever they want, so long as its what i want".
If people want to strap exhausts on their cars and overtake other cars in their impreza's, its not for you to say whether thats right or wrong. If they break the law thats a police issue. It makes me laugh all the time how these so say lefty lovers of mankind are all smiles so long as you do exactly what they say, but disagree with them and they want to turn it into a dictatorship where they are in charge.
My suggestion is that you go and educate yourself about the things you say before you open your disproportionally huge gob.
Back to lions led by donkeys again if we put up with this.

Pavlo

borat, class.

pslewis

I suggest to read my post .... not between the lines, the ACTUAL words!! You appear to struggle with literacy!

What I said is that RoyBacers are universally hated and no-one will lose any sleep whatsoever if they have to pay more tax for the priveledge of driving like a dick

Scoobydooooooo - you also seem to have trouble with your reading and understanding ........ I will repeat what I said, "you want your petrol costs to cost you less...... buy a car that will return a better mpg than the Impreza"

That means that your petrol costs go down - not the price of petrol

Don't the stupid make you laugh???

Pete