sjah555

I'm no Michael Schumacher.. (or Fernando Alonso if you are watching this season's F1.. ) so the AWD in the Scoob really helps me keep up with more exotic machinery especially in the wet.

I had originally wanted an S2K which would have forced me to learn to drive properly (or promptly stack it..) but can't go that way because I just couldn't live with the lack of space and practicality as it would be my only daily drive. So I've got it down to the above 2 (3 ?..).

Only thing for it.. test drive them all and then decide.

At the moment reckon it'll be an MY04 LCR in black !

-Sal-

ScoobyJawa

I think you'd be very surprised And no, I'm not bigging them up coz I own one And in the wet, as long as you leave the traction cont on they are fine.

ScoobyJawa

As for LCR black mate, it is a nightmare to clean/keep clean

Scrappy2

Yep - I'll second that!!

sjah555

Howz about the platinum grey ?.. looks pretty nice IMO.

-Sal-

Scrappy2

Very nice - one I test drove was Platinum, not too keen on the red... But despite having to clean the car once a week to keep it looking clean, I'm pleased I went for black...

Hotpants

I went for the Platinum , wanted black originally but was told that they're particularly prone to showing up scratches , don't know if that's true or if they're any more prone than any other black car , but platinum looked great in the flesh , a bit RB5 in colour I think.

sjah555

Avalyn - it'd be a total no brainer for me I think if I lived up north (WRX all the way ! ) but down here, the snow don't come around that often and even when it does it doesn't stay for that long It does rain quite a lot tho.. , so decent wet-weather grip would be plus point.

Still LCR (platinum/black).

-Sal-

A'K

I got a artic grey one (silver really).. many cos there quite rare in silver, well I haven't seen another one on my travels yet...

davyboy

I would suggest the Leon still utilises independant rear suspension even though it uses torsion bars.

Mitchy260

Having owned all 3 of the cars mentioned the impreza wins hands down in damp/wet conditions along with traffic light grand prix's.

I really didn't rate the civic that great, hence the reason i only had it for a couple of months. To get anywhere quick it needs to be dropped 2 gears and the nuts revved off of it. Its standard equipment is rubbish, no aircon as standard, not even fog lights!!
They are indeed quick when in vtec but they need to stay there. Its very easy to catch a CTR out. By the time you've dropped from 6th -4th, the other cars long gone!!

I had a MY99 impreza and loved the performance and sound but the impreza has turned into the new chav icon and its looks are well dated. Its interior was rubbish and the fuel bill was astronomical. It's quick off the mark but once rolling the 4wd system doesn't help it. There are numerous stories of clio cups and similar beating chavved up imprezas, its not got a good image any more IMO.

I then opted for the car i currently own, a Seat Leon Cupra R. Its standard equipment is very good, (18's/4 pot brembos/Climate/Aircon/Recaro Alcantra interior/6sp/6cd/All round airbags/tracker, sound system is very good and so is the tunability of the 1.8T)

Ive had a jabba remap over Revo and AMD as its a custom map suited for my car and not just a generic like the others. It produced 273bhp and 289lbft. Cost £500.

It would eat my old scoob for breakfast 3rd upwards. It's comfy, relaxed, and so far a reliable car.

I cant speak highly enough of it and i'd definitely reccomend it.

mattvortex

{/Ive had a jabba remap over Revo and AMD as its a custom map suited for my car and not just a generic like the others. It produced 273bhp and 289lbft. Cost £500.}

changing the subject a little, was just wondering how these remaps affect the lifespan/reliability of the engine? was always led to believe that these kind of power upgrades put tremendous extra strain on the mechanicals/gearbox etc. is that not the case with these or is it just that you dont plan to keep the car that long and so hope that it doesnt go bang while you have it!

ianc

You can suggest all you like It's still a shared torsion beam with integral anti-roll, whereas the 4wd stuff uses seperate trailing wishbones.

Put it this way, the Leon Cupra racecars, whilst being FWD, use the european 4wd chassis with the independant rear setup.

ianc

Remap at 23k, car has now done 79k, still on original clutch, gearbox etc, most remaps are sensible.....

dba

the mighty Golf GT TDi MKV PD140 2.0 remapped will batter the lot between 50-70 mph in sixth

druddle

I have an LCR225 with APR remap. Yes its a bit excitable in the wet with the TC off (dry aswell actually !!) but for an all round motor its ace. Quick, smooth and comfortable on long journeys, remap actually made the motorway fuel consumption better. As a day to day car I would put it above the Scoob and the CTR (also had both).

Dave

davyboy

Ok, I am confused - can you get a pic

Dave

sjah555

Ta for comments again..

General consensus seems to be that the LCR is overall best of all worlds (comfort, practicality, performance and maintenance).

Is there a comparison of 30-70 for the standard/Jabba/Revo/AMD variations ? .. would be interested to find out.

Also, driving into work this am.. never realised just how many CTRs there are on the road.. daammmm ! Not a single LCR tho.
-Sal-

sjah555

Is the exhaust note anything to write home about ?..

Still love the Scooby rumble even after 3 1/2 yrs of ownership but don't mind a change as long as it's not as drone-like as the S3's (quite uninspiring IMO )

-Sal-

Scrappy2

Nothing particularly inspiring inside the car, but outside the car it makes a nice discreet burble. As I mentioned in an earlier post, you will miss the flat4 sound!

Emms

Lazy get , what exactly is the problem with changing down a cog, oh I know the gearbox on Golfs et all, you would want to use it as little as possible. But if your engine sounds as good as, say a Civic Type-R, and that is mated to one of the best gearboxes on any car ever, period. Then you will want to change as often as you can. As for thrashing the car to get it to go quick, just because it has an 8000 rpm limit don't forget the CTR still has 90% of its power befor 6200rpm and that is more than enough to get you going at a fair clip. Also any car that can do the 1/4 in 15 sec or just under cant be all that slow surely? I agree it is not quite as refined or perhapse seemingly effortless than the leon, but it is no worse, just different.

Mitchy260

Sjah555.....I have a video of a Jabba LCR vs a Revo LCR up santapod 1/4 mile strip.

Its an incar video so don't know the times but the jabba car pulls on the revo example by about 4 car lengths. Both get off the line at the same time but the jabba car just seems to pull better.

Im not just saying that in the fact i have the jabba map. I drove a Revo LCR a few days ago and i didn't think it was as punchy or as sustained as mine. Still bloody quick mind you but i have experienced both and i am glad i chose jabba over the 2 maps. I dont know a lot about the AMD map so cant comment.

The Revo map is a generic LCR map suited for LCR's in general. The map takes 20 minutes to load and you have the option of a plug and play dongle to change the settings. It costs around £500 for the map and £200 for the dongle.

The Jabba map is a custom map suited to the individual car. The map takes around 3hrs to load as a lot of the time is spent fine tuning and tweaking on the rollers at jabbasport. The map can be changed on the move with a boost controller. The revo map cannot be changed on the move with the dongle, the car engine needs to be restarted for the new map to take effect. I also find this a big advantage over Revo. The jabba map costs £475 and then an optional £180 for the B.C

Because of the time and care element spent on my car i opted for jabbasport over Revo. From all accounts the jabba map holds onto its boost longer.

However in Revo's favour is they are nationwide and can be booked within a week. Jabbasport has around a 2 month waiting list as they are only based in peterborough.

Jabbasport are 1.8T specialists and know the ins and outs of the car. I can't reccomend them highly enough.

Either way im sure you'll be happy with either of the 3 maps as it makes the car into a monster. LOL

sjah555

Mitchy mate.. ta for your time.

I've joined up at http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/ and been on fasthatchbacks.com here : http://www.fasthatchbacks.com/newsst...ld=2227&type=9 so will hopefully get a decent idea as to what would be the better option.

Ohh.. have you got a copy of the video (Jabba vs Revo) hosted somewhere ?

Much appreciated.

-Sal-

Mitchy260

Not hosted but if your on msn, i can send it to you

Hotpants

Hope my decision to sell the Scoob & get an LCR (with a touch of Revo) is justified , 6 years of Scoob ownership ends tomorrow morning. It's a strange Happy but Sad sort of feeling....Hope it stops raining , might have to keep the Scoob for another day!!!

sjah555

Hotpants - hope the LCR meets/surpasses your expectations !

Will probably be going through the same thing.. soon-ish

-Sal-

Chins

Ive almost owned all three like Mitchy (didnt see a MY03 in his list, but the classic shape, which is very different IMHO)

Owned a MY03, std and with PPP(one nicked!!), 2 S3's one remaped (so understand the remap issue), Accord Type R, not Chav Type R and a Cupra R.

Buying a car is so much more than 0-60 or 0-100 IMHO. Whats the ingear performance, the lag if its a turbo at low revs etc.

The Civic Chav Type R would be my last choice. Looks crap and the engine needs the crap reving out of it. I'm glad I have got the VTEC out of my system, not one for a normal person. You need a can of Red Bull before you turn the key - if your not alert you will be blown away by a Corsa 1.0. Nice handling and gearchange though. My eldest daughter is easier work than one of these.

MY03 vs Cupra R. When I bought my R32, I had the Cupra R for 3 weeks as well. It never left the garage. It is fast and with a chip no doubt the equal -but not really any quicker in the real world than an Impreza. I am still left with a feeling of a car without soul. Bit like the Raikonen in F1, quick but boring. If the threat of theft is not an issue, then for soul, sounds, handling etc I would buy an MY03. You can add a PPP for a car that will match a chipped Leon. I did have an MTM S3 and if was not quicker than a UK scooby.

Jonathan

hades

This from someone on scoobynet who hasn't yet figured out that the WRX only has a 5 speed box

03-CTR

i'm wondering how 273bhp and 289lbft is sensible given that a stock lcr has 225bhp and 206lb ft.

not having a go but that's 40% extra lb ft of torque which is a hell of a lot of extra stress for all parts concerned. i'm not sure what kind of safety factor vag specify for their engines but i've a feeling that 40% is erring on the limit. just out of interest do amd/jabba etc. spend a lot of time analyzing the effects of their remaps using FEA through the entire chain??

if tuning is the order of the day then i'd go for a scoob as it'll have been designed with a ppp ugrade in mind. i much prefer the look of an lcr though.

Mitchy260

As far as im aware the 1.8T is good for 350bhp/330lbft on standard engine and gearbox.

Jabbasport are 1.8t specialists and they have tested the engines to breakdown point.
The 1.8t as used in the 210/225 already come with strengthened forged pistons/crank and rods.

Many people have done in excess of 60000 miles on Jabba/Revo/AMD remaps and ive yet to read a horror story concerning the remap.