customer tried to start a fight with me today ??!!?
13 March 2005, 08:52 PM
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Sounds like a right tosser. Shame you didnt get his regy and you could of reported him i think thats what I would do now. Mind the frozen Prawns in the footwell sounds like a cracking idea
13 March 2005, 08:53 PM
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i have his name and number
he will be local.......
phone books are wonderfull things, will get one of the lads to study the book tomorrow for a few hours lol
he will be local.......
phone books are wonderfull things, will get one of the lads to study the book tomorrow for a few hours lol
13 March 2005, 08:57 PM
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I seriously doubt that you would get too far trying to shop him to the cops. If he is a cop, they'll chuck your complaint in the bin as soon as you walk through the door. If he isn't a cop, they'll promise to "look into it" (or they might not even do that) and then chuck it straight in the bin. Apparently, they have real criminals to catch. 
13 March 2005, 08:59 PM
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Turboman 786,
I will bow to your greater knoweledge of the legal definitions within the english language.
But whatever you wish to call it, some Policemen/women DO try and set you up/incite you/goad you/entrap you/encourage you/prompt you ete etc to engage in activity which is illegal, and will result in action being taken against you.
I am not speaking as a defence lawyer or as a prosecution witness, just a member of the public who in 46 years of life has witnessed (whoops that sounds legal, sorry) various activities and goings on (thats definately not legal speak) which has drawn me to the conclusion thay not everybody is honest in their actions. Including some members of the Police.
In fact on TV the other night there was a programme about dishonesty with workers.
The statistics quoted were 25% of people were completely honest, 25% of people were dishonest, and 50% of people could be dishonest (steal) if the situation was right.
So 75% of the population is potentially dishonest.
That includes me and you. but I'm not a Policeman, and I am honest
But I would say that wouldn't I.
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I will bow to your greater knoweledge of the legal definitions within the english language.
But whatever you wish to call it, some Policemen/women DO try and set you up/incite you/goad you/entrap you/encourage you/prompt you ete etc to engage in activity which is illegal, and will result in action being taken against you.
I am not speaking as a defence lawyer or as a prosecution witness, just a member of the public who in 46 years of life has witnessed (whoops that sounds legal, sorry) various activities and goings on (thats definately not legal speak) which has drawn me to the conclusion thay not everybody is honest in their actions. Including some members of the Police.
In fact on TV the other night there was a programme about dishonesty with workers.
The statistics quoted were 25% of people were completely honest, 25% of people were dishonest, and 50% of people could be dishonest (steal) if the situation was right.
So 75% of the population is potentially dishonest.
That includes me and you. but I'm not a Policeman, and I am honest
But I would say that wouldn't I.
Cheers
MTR
13 March 2005, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ProperCharlie
I seriously doubt that you would get too far trying to shop him to the cops. If he is a cop, they'll chuck your complaint in the bin as soon as you walk through the door. If he isn't a cop, they'll promise to "look into it" (or they might not even do that) and then chuck it straight in the bin. Apparently, they have real criminals to catch.
i feel like i am the loser in this even tho everybody keeps telling me im the winner
the problem is i hold grudges for EVER, and it will nag me for a long time
13 March 2005, 09:02 PM
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Mickey i would watch out for this tosser as people like them can be real dangerous in their own cowardly way. I must admit i love it when they ask to speak to the boss and you tell them you are the boss. normally wipes the smile right off their face. So how many really would of battered him then and how many of you would of kept their cool. Would of been interesting to see how he would of reacted if he had been faced with a female
13 March 2005, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
There is no such thing as 'goading' in English law, or entrapment. They are mitigation, not a defence.
13 March 2005, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wwp8
or take the car and say you do it.
and when he leaves the car.
take a **** in the car/engine bay etc)
nice
and when he leaves the car.
take a **** in the car/engine bay etc)
nice
13 March 2005, 10:54 PM
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well done mate, best thing u done 
will tell u a story once
my mate had a scooby ppp tuned sti 8 before he got the evo 8
he was driving around and he got pulled up for no reason at all, in glasgow its common if u are a coloured chap with a nice car, used to happen to me once or twice a week
so these coppers trying to be clever, told him to take out his licence, and he asked what for, what have i done, i aint done nothing, so why pull me up, i have to go and pick me wife up, they werent having any of it and they started getting cocky for no apparent reason and roughing him by taking his keys out of his ignition
well my mate got angry and told him to **** off or their gonna get it a smack on their face , haha coppers didnt like it and started messing him around more and my mate said to them dont lay your hands on me u pig.
well my mate took out his i.d and told them u have had it
my mate being a scots paki happened to be a police superior to the other 2 police officers
and he is a part of the drug traffic cops whatever u call them.
it was brilliant, well they were so embarresed and apoligised to him and basically begged him to not let them into trouble, pigs
deserved them right, well they got into trouble from him and reported
will tell u a story once
my mate had a scooby ppp tuned sti 8 before he got the evo 8
he was driving around and he got pulled up for no reason at all, in glasgow its common if u are a coloured chap with a nice car, used to happen to me once or twice a week
so these coppers trying to be clever, told him to take out his licence, and he asked what for, what have i done, i aint done nothing, so why pull me up, i have to go and pick me wife up, they werent having any of it and they started getting cocky for no apparent reason and roughing him by taking his keys out of his ignition
well my mate got angry and told him to **** off or their gonna get it a smack on their face , haha coppers didnt like it and started messing him around more and my mate said to them dont lay your hands on me u pig.
well my mate took out his i.d and told them u have had it
my mate being a scots paki happened to be a police superior to the other 2 police officers
and he is a part of the drug traffic cops whatever u call them.
it was brilliant, well they were so embarresed and apoligised to him and basically begged him to not let them into trouble, pigs
deserved them right, well they got into trouble from him and reported
14 March 2005, 08:26 AM
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And of course no one would ever sign a control order without evidence would they!
I think MTR is right Mickey-I would report it to the local copshop-if you have got one that is.
Les
I think MTR is right Mickey-I would report it to the local copshop-if you have got one that is.
Les
14 March 2005, 12:45 PM
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Someone may have said this already but; having 'shoved' you as you say he did, he'd already assaulted you. As the law provides for a pre-emptive strike in a situation where you fear for your safety or anticipate an attack; you could have twatted him with little to fear.
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14 March 2005, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by turboman786
You could easily press charges for one of two offences, or both: Firstly common assault(ie the push), and secondly a public order offence ('section 5 of the public order act), both are clearly made out by your account. Give the guy the shock of his life, if you have enough details with which he can be traced...
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14 March 2005, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Someone may have said this already but; having 'shoved' you as you say he did, he'd already assaulted you. As the law provides for a pre-emptive strike in a situation where you fear for your safety or anticipate an attack; you could have twatted him with little to fear.
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14 March 2005, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Surely a push or shove as described would be regarded as aggravated assault? Common assault is a civill offence I believe and can involve little more than raised voices and pointing...
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Traditionally, 'assault' was defined as the placing of the victim in fear of a physical attack, while 'battery' was the physical application of the force.
Nowadays, a common assault will generally include the physical element as well. Aggravated assault is somewaht more serious, but less than ABH or of course GBH.
14 March 2005, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
at about 2pm this afternoon a man walks up tom the office door and explains that he has booked his car in for a valet today.
i explain we wont do any valets on this sunday as i am in by myself
i had previously wrote in the diary weeks in advance
"NO VALETS"
this bloke is not having any of it, i check the diary, hes not there
i explain hes not in the diary and ask him if he as came to the correct wash,
he then takes offence and asks if i think he is stupid
now my blood is starting to boil at this point due to his attitude (people DO goto the wrong washes all the time)
i explain he is not in the diary and he wont be able to get his car valeted today, he starts being a cocksmith and wants to speak to sumbody in charge
i tell him I am infact in charge, but he wants to speak to my manager
when i explain that he can have the phone number for cutomer services he can ring up but they wont do anything as they only have a say in the actual carwash, and not my own valeting buisness, he gets stroppy,
starts calling me an idiot, then telling me that he spoke to ME yesterday to book the car in and i wrote it in the diary.
now i KNOW that i was in by myself today, i would not have booked a car in while i was in by myself today, i wrote in the diary "NO VALETS" in big letters lol
i tell him i dont think i did,
"DO YOU DENY BOOKING ME IN FOR TODAY"
now im trying to be reasonable but this ****er is really starting to **** me off now, i have a min to compose myself and say "yeah"
"THIS IS NO WAY TO RUN A BUISNESS, IVE JUST FINNISHED WORK AND I WANT MY CAR VALETED"
"look mate, your not booked in today, im in by myself you wont be getting your cleaned today"
at this point i had other work to do so i started getting on with it, he then starts calling me allsorts
i give him the diary, ask him to show me where he his name is, its not there, turns out he was booked in for a compleatly different day
sumthings not right with this bloke, i get a funny feeling about him, his actions, his choice of words, the way he says them, im bigger then him, he doesnt look a "hard" type, yet hes giving me loads of **** like he has sum kind of "backup" or sumthing
he continues to give me **** till i snap (nearly)
**** it i have been reasonable, hes bing a cockend, i told him to not push his luck and point my finger at him,
"I SUGEST YOU STOP POINTING YOUR FINGER AT ME"
"look dont come here complaing about being booked in for today when your not" *still pointing the finger*
"I SUGEST YOU STOP POINTING YOUR FINGER AT ME"
"why?"
with that he fooken pushed me and nearly knocked me over, now ill be honest, this pissed me off BIGSTYLE, but i sussed him, he WANTED me to hit him
it was plain to see, i was right infront of my own CCTV cam and he wanted me to smack him
and i did infact want to take the ******* down lol
but i didnt.
i told him he was to leave the site,
"YOU ARE BLOCKING ME"
i was not blocking him, he was next to his car i was nowhere near blocking him, hes trying his hardest to get me to bite, i stepped back and said
"no im not, mate your fooken banned from the site, you ever come back ill ring the coppers ASAP"
his face changed when i mentioned the police, ohh yes i had sussed him, he then DEMANDED that i scribble his name and number out of the diary on the day he was actually supposed to come in, i put a line through it, but ohhhh nooo, that wasnt good enough
he wanted it removed compleatly
so nobody could read it
he then left shout9ing all kinds of crap, which i let him get on with and asked him to drive nice out of the car park and dont crash into anybody
ill be honest, i FULLY belive, this bloke had just finished his shift at a local police station, his wording, "tricks" and "ive got back up" style of being a cocksmith, convinced me as soon as he left and i had a think about it.
i actualy still have his name and number, i have saved it in a nice place, i will be poning the regional manager as part of my weekly totals later and will be informing him of todays actions, but im still fooken going crazy
thats been the first time i have never ever just smacked sumbody and got it over and done with.
the girlfriend, says i did the right thing by not hitting him, and she is probably right, but its driving me fackin nuts thinking about it
ARHGHHHHH
i explain we wont do any valets on this sunday as i am in by myself
i had previously wrote in the diary weeks in advance
"NO VALETS"
this bloke is not having any of it, i check the diary, hes not there
i explain hes not in the diary and ask him if he as came to the correct wash,
he then takes offence and asks if i think he is stupid
now my blood is starting to boil at this point due to his attitude (people DO goto the wrong washes all the time)
i explain he is not in the diary and he wont be able to get his car valeted today, he starts being a cocksmith and wants to speak to sumbody in charge
i tell him I am infact in charge, but he wants to speak to my manager
when i explain that he can have the phone number for cutomer services he can ring up but they wont do anything as they only have a say in the actual carwash, and not my own valeting buisness, he gets stroppy,
starts calling me an idiot, then telling me that he spoke to ME yesterday to book the car in and i wrote it in the diary.
now i KNOW that i was in by myself today, i would not have booked a car in while i was in by myself today, i wrote in the diary "NO VALETS" in big letters lol
i tell him i dont think i did,
"DO YOU DENY BOOKING ME IN FOR TODAY"
now im trying to be reasonable but this ****er is really starting to **** me off now, i have a min to compose myself and say "yeah"
"THIS IS NO WAY TO RUN A BUISNESS, IVE JUST FINNISHED WORK AND I WANT MY CAR VALETED"
"look mate, your not booked in today, im in by myself you wont be getting your cleaned today"
at this point i had other work to do so i started getting on with it, he then starts calling me allsorts
i give him the diary, ask him to show me where he his name is, its not there, turns out he was booked in for a compleatly different day
sumthings not right with this bloke, i get a funny feeling about him, his actions, his choice of words, the way he says them, im bigger then him, he doesnt look a "hard" type, yet hes giving me loads of **** like he has sum kind of "backup" or sumthing
he continues to give me **** till i snap (nearly)
**** it i have been reasonable, hes bing a cockend, i told him to not push his luck and point my finger at him,
"I SUGEST YOU STOP POINTING YOUR FINGER AT ME"
"look dont come here complaing about being booked in for today when your not" *still pointing the finger*
"I SUGEST YOU STOP POINTING YOUR FINGER AT ME"
"why?"
with that he fooken pushed me and nearly knocked me over, now ill be honest, this pissed me off BIGSTYLE, but i sussed him, he WANTED me to hit him
it was plain to see, i was right infront of my own CCTV cam and he wanted me to smack him
and i did infact want to take the ******* down lolbut i didnt.
i told him he was to leave the site,
"YOU ARE BLOCKING ME"
i was not blocking him, he was next to his car i was nowhere near blocking him, hes trying his hardest to get me to bite, i stepped back and said
"no im not, mate your fooken banned from the site, you ever come back ill ring the coppers ASAP"
his face changed when i mentioned the police, ohh yes i had sussed him, he then DEMANDED that i scribble his name and number out of the diary on the day he was actually supposed to come in, i put a line through it, but ohhhh nooo, that wasnt good enough
he wanted it removed compleatly
so nobody could read it
he then left shout9ing all kinds of crap, which i let him get on with and asked him to drive nice out of the car park and dont crash into anybody
ill be honest, i FULLY belive, this bloke had just finished his shift at a local police station, his wording, "tricks" and "ive got back up" style of being a cocksmith, convinced me as soon as he left and i had a think about it.
i actualy still have his name and number, i have saved it in a nice place, i will be poning the regional manager as part of my weekly totals later and will be informing him of todays actions, but im still fooken going crazy
thats been the first time i have never ever just smacked sumbody and got it over and done with.
the girlfriend, says i did the right thing by not hitting him, and she is probably right, but its driving me fackin nuts thinking about it
ARHGHHHHH
14 March 2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Freak
if he comes back, wash his car with a scouring pad.
Are you ill mick? I thought you would have put him through the window.
Are you ill mick? I thought you would have put him through the window.
no sign of anybody today, i dont think he will be back TBH
14 March 2005, 06:07 PM
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Harry Boy,
I accept that the terminology used 'entrapment', 'goading' may not be legally recognised descriptions in English law.
I have not said the individual who appeared to be antagonising Sticky Mickey (policeman or who ever he is) is commiting an illegal act.
But whoever he was, he was certainly acting in a suspicious manner, and 'IF' he is a Policeman with an unorthodox or even non Police approved method of attempting to secure a conviction for assault, then I strongly believe Sticky Mickey would be well advised to log the event with the Police.
If it transpires the gentleman has got ulterior motives against Sticky Mickey and something develops in the future, the initial incident can be brought up as corrborating evidence (is that the correct legal speak?), wether he is a Policeman or not.
How often do we hear that a complainent berates the lack of a Police response to a problem that they allege has been going on for ages, yet they had never officially informed the Police as to the potential situation.
I would report it purely as a form of insurance.
Warrenm2,
This is a phrase I have recounted on here a long time ago, stolen from Richard Littlejohn, newspaper columnist, but may be apt in this situation.
Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
Cheers
MTR
I accept that the terminology used 'entrapment', 'goading' may not be legally recognised descriptions in English law.
I have not said the individual who appeared to be antagonising Sticky Mickey (policeman or who ever he is) is commiting an illegal act.
But whoever he was, he was certainly acting in a suspicious manner, and 'IF' he is a Policeman with an unorthodox or even non Police approved method of attempting to secure a conviction for assault, then I strongly believe Sticky Mickey would be well advised to log the event with the Police.
If it transpires the gentleman has got ulterior motives against Sticky Mickey and something develops in the future, the initial incident can be brought up as corrborating evidence (is that the correct legal speak?), wether he is a Policeman or not.
How often do we hear that a complainent berates the lack of a Police response to a problem that they allege has been going on for ages, yet they had never officially informed the Police as to the potential situation.
I would report it purely as a form of insurance.
Warrenm2,
This is a phrase I have recounted on here a long time ago, stolen from Richard Littlejohn, newspaper columnist, but may be apt in this situation.
Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
Cheers
MTR
14 March 2005, 07:54 PM
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I thought (but I am not an expert) that whilst "entrapment" - or whatever the official term is - is not an offence, evidence gathered as a result of "entrapment" is inadmissable when pursuing a prosecution?
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Originally Posted by MTR
...Warrenm2,
This is a phrase I have recounted on here a long time ago, stolen from Richard Littlejohn, newspaper columnist, but may be apt in this situation.
Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
Cheers
MTR
This is a phrase I have recounted on here a long time ago, stolen from Richard Littlejohn, newspaper columnist, but may be apt in this situation.
Just because you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
Cheers
MTR
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