Countryfile rolls out I.S.A.
06 March 2005, 01:30 PM
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Been five years already then? 
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06 March 2005, 01:31 PM
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PSL,
Why do you rant at other drivers about breaking the speed limit when you have already told us twice about the times you were doing just that?
Why should we take any notice of your blathering when you set us such an example yourself?
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Why do you rant at other drivers about breaking the speed limit when you have already told us twice about the times you were doing just that?
Why should we take any notice of your blathering when you set us such an example yourself?
Les
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06 March 2005, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
If I had ISA I'd sit back, plant my foot to the floor all the time and take a nap
I won't expect your 5year child old to run out in to the road chasing a ball. As the ISA will sort all that out for me. Oh, hang on,no it won't...better wake up and hit the brakes <BANG> oops too late...never mind - wasn't my fault It was impossible for me to speed!
I won't expect your 5year child old to run out in to the road chasing a ball. As the ISA will sort all that out for me. Oh, hang on,no it won't...better wake up and hit the brakes <BANG> oops too late...never mind - wasn't my fault It was impossible for me to speed!
06 March 2005, 03:10 PM
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I think that it is time that the BBC were closed down, as they are just a forum for plugging government propaganda 
I watched Countryfile with disbelief...
Stupid b*tch reporter was casually walking along a country road on the left hand side with her back to the traffic - HEY MORON, READ HIGHWAY CODE RULE NUMBER TWO!!!!!!
Stupid b*tch reporter commented on how many times the ISA forced her to slow down - thats 'cos you were "speeding" you dumb cow. Maybe if the 85th percentile was used when defining limits, the vast majority would obey the "law".
Butter wouldn't melt parents were saying that the 40mph limit should be cut to 30mph (or less) along a stretch of road peppered by cars parked half on the pavement (both illegal and dangerous).
Professor CarSTOP said that if ALL cars were fitted with ISA (a moneymaker for someone ) then KSIs would be reduced by 20%. Well what about the other 80% you stupid prat?????
Aaaaarrrggghhhhhhhhh!!
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I watched Countryfile with disbelief...
Stupid b*tch reporter was casually walking along a country road on the left hand side with her back to the traffic - HEY MORON, READ HIGHWAY CODE RULE NUMBER TWO!!!!!!
Stupid b*tch reporter commented on how many times the ISA forced her to slow down - thats 'cos you were "speeding" you dumb cow. Maybe if the 85th percentile was used when defining limits, the vast majority would obey the "law".
Butter wouldn't melt parents were saying that the 40mph limit should be cut to 30mph (or less) along a stretch of road peppered by cars parked half on the pavement (both illegal and dangerous).
Professor CarSTOP said that if ALL cars were fitted with ISA (a moneymaker for someone
) then KSIs would be reduced by 20%. Well what about the other 80% you stupid prat?????Aaaaarrrggghhhhhhhhh!!
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06 March 2005, 03:14 PM
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I wish somebody could remove lewis's stupid attention seeking troll posts so this important subject could be debated intelligently.
06 March 2005, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by *****
if just ONE death is due to speeding then surely its as unacceptable as drink/driving!?
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06 March 2005, 03:17 PM
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A gentle reminder, for those who actually give a monkey's and haven't done so already:
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407027
1) Get off backside
2) Complain to someone who can actually do something about it.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407027
1) Get off backside
2) Complain to someone who can actually do something about it.
06 March 2005, 03:19 PM
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As I have said, don't be distracted by the safety argument as it isn't an argument at all.
Consider this system purely in terms of its potential to control and restrict your movements and to charge you for the roads you use. The minute you mention safety you fall into their trap, they want a futile debate about safety to take your eye off the fact that this system will be used to force you out of your private car while making you pay for your own downfall. That is its one and only purpose and anything else is merely a distraction.
Consider this system purely in terms of its potential to control and restrict your movements and to charge you for the roads you use. The minute you mention safety you fall into their trap, they want a futile debate about safety to take your eye off the fact that this system will be used to force you out of your private car while making you pay for your own downfall. That is its one and only purpose and anything else is merely a distraction.
06 March 2005, 03:24 PM
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Serious question: Is there anywhere we can go and have a closer look at these devices?
We may aswell start thinking about how we can beat them technologically, so to speak, because it's obvious that Labour are not going to ask us whether or not we want them in our cars....not in the longer term anyway....
All technology is surmountable, one way or another....
We may aswell start thinking about how we can beat them technologically, so to speak, because it's obvious that Labour are not going to ask us whether or not we want them in our cars....not in the longer term anyway....
All technology is surmountable, one way or another....
06 March 2005, 03:28 PM
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That's hardly the point, though. Undoubtedly the 'nanny box' could be fooled, disabled or otherwise rendered harmless, but the penalty for doing so would undoubtedly be disproportinately harsh. It's easy to measure whether or not you're speeding.
Far, far better to fight against such things ever becoming law in the first place. I offered in a previous thread to provide sample material around which you can write your own letter to your MP on the subject - exactly one person took me up on the offer.
The offer is still open.
Far, far better to fight against such things ever becoming law in the first place. I offered in a previous thread to provide sample material around which you can write your own letter to your MP on the subject - exactly one person took me up on the offer.
The offer is still open.
06 March 2005, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AndyC_772
That's hardly the point, though. Undoubtedly the 'nanny box' could be fooled, disabled or otherwise rendered harmless, but the penalty for doing so would undoubtedly be disproportinately harsh. It's easy to measure whether or not you're speeding.
Far, far better to fight against such things ever becoming law in the first place. I offered in a previous thread to provide sample material around which you can write your own letter to your MP on the subject - exactly one person took me up on the offer.
The offer is still open.
Far, far better to fight against such things ever becoming law in the first place. I offered in a previous thread to provide sample material around which you can write your own letter to your MP on the subject - exactly one person took me up on the offer.
The offer is still open.
This government have shown us that they mean to do anything they want, despite us screaming, shouting and begging. If they have decided to do this, then they will do it... as long as they are in power.
Far more effective than writing to MP's would be simply not to vote for them. No additional effort required.
In the mean time I don't think there is any harm in investigating ways to make sure their "scheme" is a devastating, unworkable failure.
06 March 2005, 03:42 PM
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I agree on not voting for them - but it's important that they know exactly why you're not voting for them. They do need to be aware of the issues that people care about, otherwise how are they going to know what to change in order to stay in power?
06 March 2005, 04:07 PM
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There are 23 million voters who are also motorists. Each year 3 million of them get speeding tickets from a Home Office approved "speed gun" and you can see from this video how well they work:
http://www.pepipoo.org/files/inside_out.rm
ISA will probably work just as well, you will have no chance of a defence and soon it wil force you off the roads as it will be too costly, unpleasant and slow for you to make a journey.
With this in mind I think it is important that you let your local political figures know where you stand. Even if you can't be bothered to write at least tell them on the doorstep.
I honestly don't believe that you, as a basically law abiding citizen, will be in a position to subvert the ISA systems as it is likely to be linked to RF ID tags in your numberplate and, possibly, on your person. There will also be the ANPR cameras, CCTV cameras and a range of other measures to ensure that you are where your ISA system says you are. There may also be roadside beacons to ensure that it is providing the correct speed reading, they will probably call it "calibration" but of course it is just to make sure that you haven't made any modifications. The way to subvert it will be to drive on false plates with no ISA system, no tax, no insurance and no responsibility to society. Those people will be safe from control, monitoring and charging. They will also not be the average law abiding citizen.
http://www.pepipoo.org/files/inside_out.rm
ISA will probably work just as well, you will have no chance of a defence and soon it wil force you off the roads as it will be too costly, unpleasant and slow for you to make a journey.
With this in mind I think it is important that you let your local political figures know where you stand. Even if you can't be bothered to write at least tell them on the doorstep.
I honestly don't believe that you, as a basically law abiding citizen, will be in a position to subvert the ISA systems as it is likely to be linked to RF ID tags in your numberplate and, possibly, on your person. There will also be the ANPR cameras, CCTV cameras and a range of other measures to ensure that you are where your ISA system says you are. There may also be roadside beacons to ensure that it is providing the correct speed reading, they will probably call it "calibration" but of course it is just to make sure that you haven't made any modifications. The way to subvert it will be to drive on false plates with no ISA system, no tax, no insurance and no responsibility to society. Those people will be safe from control, monitoring and charging. They will also not be the average law abiding citizen.
06 March 2005, 05:30 PM
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I don't know??
The answer to all this is SO SO SO simple
Just do NOT speed!
I really struggle to understand why people blame everyone except themselves for breaking the law ....
"It not my fault, I can't control my car it's too fast for me"
Buy another car turd brain
"They have lowered the speed limit on my favourite road and I cannot drive properly enough to comply"
Get OFF the roads, you are a liability!
"I was only doing 39 in a 30 and they did me, its NOT fair!"
The car thief only stole 3 cars, he could have stolen 4! He is STILL guilty! STOP CRYING!
"I have had PPP fitted and should be allowed to use my 3000000BHP whenever I like"
Errrrrr, sorry - just because YOU have wasted money doesn't give you the right to waste a childs life whilst trying to prove that the £2000 was 'really' well spent! Grow Up!
"They are doing it to collect money"
Well don't speed and DON'T PAY THEM! just STOP blaming someone else!!
Finally, and most importantly ..... YOU are the reason you have got snapped speeding, YOU are the one wasting money going ever faster, YOU are the one who is a danger on the roads
STOP blaming everyone else and stand up for your actions and please, STOP CRYING like babies!!
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The answer to all this is SO SO SO simple
Just do NOT speed!
I really struggle to understand why people blame everyone except themselves for breaking the law ....
"It not my fault, I can't control my car it's too fast for me"
Buy another car turd brain
"They have lowered the speed limit on my favourite road and I cannot drive properly enough to comply"
Get OFF the roads, you are a liability!
"I was only doing 39 in a 30 and they did me, its NOT fair!"
The car thief only stole 3 cars, he could have stolen 4! He is STILL guilty! STOP CRYING!
"I have had PPP fitted and should be allowed to use my 3000000BHP whenever I like"
Errrrrr, sorry - just because YOU have wasted money doesn't give you the right to waste a childs life whilst trying to prove that the £2000 was 'really' well spent! Grow Up!
"They are doing it to collect money"
Well don't speed and DON'T PAY THEM!
just STOP blaming someone else!! Finally, and most importantly ..... YOU are the reason you have got snapped speeding, YOU are the one wasting money going ever faster, YOU are the one who is a danger on the roads
STOP blaming everyone else and stand up for your actions and please, STOP CRYING like babies!!
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06 March 2005, 05:55 PM
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Do we actually know that if we did vote Conservative or any other party that they wouldn't introduce a system that was exactly the same?
Andy, I will have the letter please. I am getting truly sick of this!
Andy, I will have the letter please. I am getting truly sick of this!
06 March 2005, 06:14 PM
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The Tories have not clearly stated that they would not introduce ISA and, therefore, I am given to believe that they will go ahead with it just as Labour will.
Remember, this is about control and the one thing a political party most wants is control. With this in mind most parties can see that to not introduce such a scheme might make it impossible for them to get elected again. This device will control not just how fast you can travel but where you can travel, when you can travel and how much each journey will cost you at £1.45 per mile. Members of the ruling party will, of course, have party cars which can travel whenever and whereever they like. You and I might only be allowed to drive a certain number of miles per week within certain time limits and on certainly "allowed" roads. You might come to the end of your driveway to find that, literally, you are not allowed to turn left and must turn right to follow the "party recommended route" to your destination.
Anyone who isn't worried about this is in for such a big shock when it arrives. Interestingly if it arrives when the Tories are in power it may give them so much control that we are stuck with a Tory one party state.
Remember, this is about control and the one thing a political party most wants is control. With this in mind most parties can see that to not introduce such a scheme might make it impossible for them to get elected again. This device will control not just how fast you can travel but where you can travel, when you can travel and how much each journey will cost you at £1.45 per mile. Members of the ruling party will, of course, have party cars which can travel whenever and whereever they like. You and I might only be allowed to drive a certain number of miles per week within certain time limits and on certainly "allowed" roads. You might come to the end of your driveway to find that, literally, you are not allowed to turn left and must turn right to follow the "party recommended route" to your destination.
Anyone who isn't worried about this is in for such a big shock when it arrives. Interestingly if it arrives when the Tories are in power it may give them so much control that we are stuck with a Tory one party state.
06 March 2005, 06:27 PM
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OK, so if it is inevitable, how do we stop it? Mr "I read the Sun and believe every word it says" will be brainwashed into thinking that it is for good reasons and not stand up to it until it's too late.
Please, tell me what to do! I am already a member of the ABD before anyone says anything, but to be honest, they are not really known of generally.
Another thing - is this going to be introduced into other European countries at the same time? If not, I see a mass exodus coming. The same thing will happen as in the 70s when we had the brain drain when the top earning professionals all went to live abroad to avoid Labour's 90% tax or whatever it was and the country got itself into a right state then. Don't they learn?
Please, tell me what to do! I am already a member of the ABD before anyone says anything, but to be honest, they are not really known of generally.
Another thing - is this going to be introduced into other European countries at the same time? If not, I see a mass exodus coming. The same thing will happen as in the 70s when we had the brain drain when the top earning professionals all went to live abroad to avoid Labour's 90% tax or whatever it was and the country got itself into a right state then. Don't they learn?
06 March 2005, 06:40 PM
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Hit the nail on the head NototiousREV - complacency is a killer. Stick folk in cars with a dozen airbags and a five star NCAP rating and they think they're invincible. Picture the scene of two cars travelling down the motorway both travelling at 80 mph. One car is a brand new Merc with electric everything, the other car is a MK 1 Fiesta 1.1 litre - who do you think is more aware of the risks around them?
06 March 2005, 06:54 PM
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For anyone who wants an easy solution to bypass these devices:
Simply buy a car overseas with foriegn plates, not all of the EU is partaking in this system, so simply by not having a UK car excludes you. How long you could use a car with foreign plates for wouldn't be permanent....But then that's an excuse to emmigrate, and leave the loonies to run their god forsaken craphole in peace
Simply buy a car overseas with foriegn plates, not all of the EU is partaking in this system, so simply by not having a UK car excludes you. How long you could use a car with foreign plates for wouldn't be permanent....But then that's an excuse to emmigrate, and leave the loonies to run their god forsaken craphole in peace
06 March 2005, 07:36 PM
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Well guys... If this happens I am taking my tax paying **** over to another country....
Simple fact is - gov't want us all on public transport and this is just another way to do it. Then they will milk us even more when we have no option but wait in the freezing cold for the bus/train/whatever to pitch up 30mins late, and then be too full to get on. When eventually you do manage to get on one you will pay handsomely for the privelage.
I won't be the only one on a plane out of here. Group buy on plane tickets anyone?
Simple fact is - gov't want us all on public transport and this is just another way to do it. Then they will milk us even more when we have no option but wait in the freezing cold for the bus/train/whatever to pitch up 30mins late, and then be too full to get on. When eventually you do manage to get on one you will pay handsomely for the privelage.
I won't be the only one on a plane out of here. Group buy on plane tickets anyone?
06 March 2005, 08:03 PM
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Those of you who have asked for sample letters should now have them.
If anyone else is interested, please PM me with an email address and I'll send them straight over.
If anyone else is interested, please PM me with an email address and I'll send them straight over.
06 March 2005, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
I wish somebody could remove lewis's stupid attention seeking troll posts so this important subject could be debated intelligently.
06 March 2005, 08:43 PM
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Can I make an observation... as an outsider so to speak. although a brit I have lived outside the UK most of my life. When the gov't tries to rape the motorist yet again surely a very effective strategy would just be a co-ordinated "sit in". i.e. Monday morning every motorist stays at home. That would mean tens of thousands of businesses would grind to a halt and the cost to the economy in just a couple of days would be billions. The knock on effect would be huge and the gov't would have no choice but to back track on whatever strategy they were about to implement....
Or is this too simplistic and I am missing something here?
Or is this too simplistic and I am missing something here?
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I think all you're missing is that the British public is too apathetic to bother. The fuel protests only happened because a lot of peoples' livelihoods were threatened, and even then it didn't actually take that many to blockade the refineries and bring the country to its knees. Ironically this highlighted just how poor and inadequate public transport actually is.
However unpopular ISA might be, it won't put anyone out of business - it'll upset millions, but probably not enough to actually get them off their backsides.
My PM box has been buzzing this evening, which is great. Thanks to you all, and good luck.
However unpopular ISA might be, it won't put anyone out of business - it'll upset millions, but probably not enough to actually get them off their backsides.
My PM box has been buzzing this evening, which is great. Thanks to you all, and good luck.
06 March 2005, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobydood
Or is this too simplistic and I am missing something here?
At this stage it is simply a case of highlighting what is being planned and trying to make as many people aware of it as possible. There seem to be very few who are currently.
Oh, and Diesel....
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