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27 February 2005, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DocJock
So.......the Qur'an sas tha women should cover their bosoms and "adornments" and "Islamic scholars" intepret that as saying they should be covered from head to toe.
On what exactly do they base these conclusions other than their own preferences/prejudices ?
This is exactly the same as, for example, the stance of the Catholic Church on contraception......a bunch of blokes in dresses deciding ,on their whim, what women can or cannot do.
I understand that some people believe in their God, but why on earth do they need a bunch of narrow minded zealots to tell them what their holy scriptures say when it is written down in black and white ?
On what exactly do they base these conclusions other than their own preferences/prejudices ?
This is exactly the same as, for example, the stance of the Catholic Church on contraception......a bunch of blokes in dresses deciding ,on their whim, what women can or cannot do.
I understand that some people believe in their God, but why on earth do they need a bunch of narrow minded zealots to tell them what their holy scriptures say when it is written down in black and white ?
one more thing dock, some muslim men dont like to tell their woman and daughters their rights, so they try not to send their woman and daughters for islamic law lessons, coz it will be a slap on their face for them.
did u know its haram as in forbidden to force your children into marrying someone, if they were forced, the girl can go to a righteous scholar, he will annull the marriage, coz it aint a marriage
it happened a few times in the prophet mohammads time peace be upon him, he told the woman, well its annulled, you aint married, u were forced which is forbidden.
u can only recommend and ask your children if they will marry such and such, thats called arranged, but the child has every right to say no.
if anyone forces their kid, they will def be punished from God
some muslims and ultra orthodox jews mainly settlers and non muslim asians still do that, they force their kids to get married.
glory be to God, my dad asked me to marry woman of his choice when i was young, but he never ever forced me, my brother and my sisters, he was an awesome dad may he rest in peace, i chose my own wife, i only saw her once and my brother fancied my cousin since they were kids, and my sister wanted to marry my cousin and my other sisters hand was asked from a family friend , they asked my dad and my dad asked my big sister, if its cool, she said its cool, just dont like his pointy ears
but otherwise its cool
27 February 2005, 10:49 AM
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here is a nice article
MALE CHAUVINISM AND THE MUSLIM WORLD
Many people perceive Islam as a chauvinistic religion that belittles women. They cite the condition of women in some “Muslim countries” to prove this point.[1] Their mistake is that they fail to separate the culture of a given people from the true teachings of the religion they may profess. It is appalling that today the oppression of women still exists in many cultures around the world. Women in many Third World countries live horrible lives. They are dominated by men and denied many basic human rights. This does not apply to Muslim countries alone, nor does it apply to all Muslim countries. Islam condemns this oppression. It is a tragic injustice to blame these cultural practices on religious beliefs when the teachings of the religion do not call for such behavior. The teachings of Islam forbid the oppression of women and clearly emphasize that men and women are to be respected equally.
Unfortunately, oppressive practices against women that exist in certain parts of the world have mistakenly been associated with Islam by some people. One of these practices is the ancient pagan custom of female genital mutilation, sometimes mistakenly called female circumcision, which originated and is still practiced in the Nile River Valley and surrounding areas. It is practiced by a number of ethnic groups of a wide variety of faiths throughout parts of Africa, especially in northeastern Africa. Many women in Africa are victims of this horrible, dismembering, barbaric custom.
Female genital mutilation is an abomination and is absolutely forbidden in Islam. It is unfortunate that, even though Islam forbids it, certain ethnic groups have perpetuated this practice even after their acceptance of Islam, leading some to assume that it is a part of Islam. Today, as these people gradually gain a better understanding of Islam, they are abandoning this cruel pagan practice. In Kenya, for example, one group of people who do not practice female genital mutilation are the Muslims.
Male circumcision, however, is clearly an Islamic practice and in fact was taught by God’s Prophets and Messengers, including the Prophet Abrahamp. There should be no confusion between the prohibited act of female genital mutilation and the encouraged act of male circumcision.
Another horrible practice is that of “honor killing,” when a man kills a female relative in his family because he feels disgraced and humiliated by her behavior. This conduct, although extremely rare, is practiced by certain groups of people in the Indian subcontinent, the Middle East, and other places. This is outright murder in Islam. It is not permissible for a person to kill anyone out of some notion of “honor.” It is by no means exclusive to Muslims and “Islamic countries,” and it violates Islamic law. Racism, sexism, and all forms of bigotry or prejudice are also prohibited in Islam.
Unfortunately, forced marriage is practiced in many traditional societies. It is another practice that is forbidden in Islam. Some fathers had forced their daughters into marriage at the time of the Prophet Muhammadp. When the women complained to the Prophetp of this, he nullified their marriages or gave them the option of ending the marriage even if it had already been consummated, establishing the clear precedent for Islamic law concerning freedom of choice about marriage and putting an end to this oppressive practice. Sadly, this still goes on in many parts of the world today, including in a number of “Islamic countries.” Although this practice is illegal in almost all countries, many women in traditional societies either do not know their rights or are too afraid to demand them.
All of these practices are against Islamic law, and it is the responsibility of all Muslims to eradicate them in their societies. Yes, Islam is tolerant of cultural diversity and does not believe in eradicating the ways of life of different people, nor does it force people to give up their cultural identity when they embrace Islam. However, when the cultural practices of a people contravene the laws of Islam or deprive people of their God-given, inalienable rights and freedom of choice, it becomes a religious obligation to abandon those practices.
here is another english sister, she is a scholar and very famous in the muslim world
http://www.islamfortoday.com/ruqaiyyah.htm
check out this article its very good
http://www.islamfortoday.com/ruqaiyyah04.htm
MALE CHAUVINISM AND THE MUSLIM WORLD
Many people perceive Islam as a chauvinistic religion that belittles women. They cite the condition of women in some “Muslim countries” to prove this point.[1] Their mistake is that they fail to separate the culture of a given people from the true teachings of the religion they may profess. It is appalling that today the oppression of women still exists in many cultures around the world. Women in many Third World countries live horrible lives. They are dominated by men and denied many basic human rights. This does not apply to Muslim countries alone, nor does it apply to all Muslim countries. Islam condemns this oppression. It is a tragic injustice to blame these cultural practices on religious beliefs when the teachings of the religion do not call for such behavior. The teachings of Islam forbid the oppression of women and clearly emphasize that men and women are to be respected equally.
Unfortunately, oppressive practices against women that exist in certain parts of the world have mistakenly been associated with Islam by some people. One of these practices is the ancient pagan custom of female genital mutilation, sometimes mistakenly called female circumcision, which originated and is still practiced in the Nile River Valley and surrounding areas. It is practiced by a number of ethnic groups of a wide variety of faiths throughout parts of Africa, especially in northeastern Africa. Many women in Africa are victims of this horrible, dismembering, barbaric custom.
Female genital mutilation is an abomination and is absolutely forbidden in Islam. It is unfortunate that, even though Islam forbids it, certain ethnic groups have perpetuated this practice even after their acceptance of Islam, leading some to assume that it is a part of Islam. Today, as these people gradually gain a better understanding of Islam, they are abandoning this cruel pagan practice. In Kenya, for example, one group of people who do not practice female genital mutilation are the Muslims.
Male circumcision, however, is clearly an Islamic practice and in fact was taught by God’s Prophets and Messengers, including the Prophet Abrahamp. There should be no confusion between the prohibited act of female genital mutilation and the encouraged act of male circumcision.
Another horrible practice is that of “honor killing,” when a man kills a female relative in his family because he feels disgraced and humiliated by her behavior. This conduct, although extremely rare, is practiced by certain groups of people in the Indian subcontinent, the Middle East, and other places. This is outright murder in Islam. It is not permissible for a person to kill anyone out of some notion of “honor.” It is by no means exclusive to Muslims and “Islamic countries,” and it violates Islamic law. Racism, sexism, and all forms of bigotry or prejudice are also prohibited in Islam.
Unfortunately, forced marriage is practiced in many traditional societies. It is another practice that is forbidden in Islam. Some fathers had forced their daughters into marriage at the time of the Prophet Muhammadp. When the women complained to the Prophetp of this, he nullified their marriages or gave them the option of ending the marriage even if it had already been consummated, establishing the clear precedent for Islamic law concerning freedom of choice about marriage and putting an end to this oppressive practice. Sadly, this still goes on in many parts of the world today, including in a number of “Islamic countries.” Although this practice is illegal in almost all countries, many women in traditional societies either do not know their rights or are too afraid to demand them.
All of these practices are against Islamic law, and it is the responsibility of all Muslims to eradicate them in their societies. Yes, Islam is tolerant of cultural diversity and does not believe in eradicating the ways of life of different people, nor does it force people to give up their cultural identity when they embrace Islam. However, when the cultural practices of a people contravene the laws of Islam or deprive people of their God-given, inalienable rights and freedom of choice, it becomes a religious obligation to abandon those practices.
here is another english sister, she is a scholar and very famous in the muslim world
http://www.islamfortoday.com/ruqaiyyah.htm
check out this article its very good
http://www.islamfortoday.com/ruqaiyyah04.htm
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27 February 2005, 10:54 AM
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back to topic 
all of you seem to have the morals of an alley cat. You reap what you sow etc and as someonelse has said, who needs enemies with friends like you!
all of you seem to have the morals of an alley cat. You reap what you sow etc and as someonelse has said, who needs enemies with friends like you!
27 February 2005, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by scoob_babe
back to topic all of you seem to have the morals of an alley cat. You reap what you sow etc and as someonelse has said, who needs enemies with friends like you!
all of you seem to have the morals of an alley cat. You reap what you sow etc and as someonelse has said, who needs enemies with friends like you!i think she would stitch st-04's willie to his *******
27 February 2005, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by scoob_babe
back to topic all of you seem to have the morals of an alley cat. You reap what you sow etc and as someonelse has said, who needs enemies with friends like you!
all of you seem to have the morals of an alley cat. You reap what you sow etc and as someonelse has said, who needs enemies with friends like you!sweetheart is it u, rich skylines lady
how r u lurvley woman, u still with that big nosed watchma call it
27 February 2005, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by scoob_babe
popcorn at the ready
leave the nose out of it
leave the nose out of it
lol will do luv, he needs it coz his willie is too small at least he can use his nose
haha im so sorry rich just having a laff my old friend
scoob babe u are such a nice lady with child bearing nice hips xxxxx
27 February 2005, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
Moses..... 
5th wedding aniversary coming up soon, must remember the date!!
5th wedding aniversary coming up soon, must remember the date!!
and sorry about the nose joke, i know u will forgive me
27 February 2005, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
happy wedding anniversary bros when it comes, do tell us when so i can get a card out
and sorry about the nose joke, i know u will forgive me
and sorry about the nose joke, i know u will forgive me
Yeah???????? I won't
My memory is far too good for that 
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27 February 2005, 04:14 PM
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Cheers for your reply's peeps
They have now finished, they both decided to end it yesterday
Just left my mate or should i say he has just left me to shoot off to some other bird
All's well that ends well
As for her massive ****
yeah there massive but her waistline aint
Laters
They have now finished, they both decided to end it yesterday
Just left my mate or should i say he has just left me to shoot off to some other bird
All's well that ends well
As for her massive ****
yeah there massive but her waistline aint Laters
27 February 2005, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sti-04!!
All's well that ends well
27 February 2005, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Daz34
Until it all gets a bit bitter & she thinks it's a good idea to tell him that she shagged his best mate.
small waist bit baps......<cue homer simpson drool sound>
27 February 2005, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by paul-s
yea but then he could deny it saying shes makin it up cos they split + it went sour.
small waist bit baps......<cue homer simpson drool sound>
small waist bit baps......<cue homer simpson drool sound>
28 February 2005, 01:05 PM
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I must be lowlife scum then ................................
Some would agree with you "dust"
Some wouldnt agree with you "dust"
Some would agree with you "dust"
Some wouldnt agree with you "dust"
