IS A TURBO 2000 REALLY THAT BAD !!!!!
22 February 2005, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobsteve
Not trying to sound petty here, but there was never a 1.8 turbo vr6 corrado. The whole vr6 thing refers to it being a v6, which is a 2.9 normally aspirated lump. I think the only blown version was the G60, which had a supercharger rather than turbo.
Correct me if i'm wrong.
Correct me if i'm wrong.
22 February 2005, 08:18 AM
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i have a honda civic 1.6 vti, have a few mods, exhaust, manifold, induction kit etc and i matched a uk scooby turbo from about 30 to 90 before it started pulling away, another of my mates has a fiesta si with a 2litre mondeo dropped into it and he found the same, the guy did have 4 people in the car including himself but i had my girlfriend and my golf clubs in his boot. i want a subaru next, thought about a uk turbo but are they really that much quicker than my civic or his his one not running right? or should i save up and buy an sti? quite like the bug eye ones, especially the white one thats for sale at the moment!
22 February 2005, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by el_pluff
i have a honda civic 1.6 vti, have a few mods, exhaust, manifold, induction kit etc and i matched a uk scooby turbo from about 30 to 90 before it started pulling away, another of my mates has a fiesta si with a 2litre mondeo dropped into it and he found the same, the guy did have 4 people in the car including himself but i had my girlfriend and my golf clubs in his boot. i want a subaru next, thought about a uk turbo but are they really that much quicker than my civic or his his one not running right? or should i save up and buy an sti? quite like the bug eye ones, especially the white one thats for sale at the moment!
"On 4th Feb. 98, Autocar tested a 1998 specification five door hatchback. A top speed of 143 mph was recorded, with the 0-60 mph time being dispensed with in only 5.5 seconds, and 0-100 mph in 15.8. The standing 1/4 mile was completed in 14.2 seconds at 97 mph. The 30-70 mph increment was achieved in 5.6 seconds (a whole 1 second faster than a manual Porsche Boxster!)
However, the most remarkable tests were carried out on a standard 4 door saloons during November 1997. Firstly Top Gear magazine covered the 0-60 mph sprint in only 5.2 seconds! Then Performance Car (sadly no longer with us), as part of their 0-60 challenge timed the Impreza at a mind blowing 5.03 seconds for the 0-60 sprint, with the 1/4 mile being covered in 13.72 seconds at 100.6 mph. It should be noted though, that the Performance Car tests were carried out at Santa Pod drag strip (quality grippy tarmac), with only the driver, a near empty fuel tank and in one direction only".
22 February 2005, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
UK cars are not that fast once on the move, but then again they only have 208/215bhp.
Cars like clio cups and CTR's will easily match it, if not beat it on the move.
Cars like clio cups and CTR's will easily match it, if not beat it on the move.
A brake upgrade is more important than more power for track speed.
I've got a 98 UK turbo and haven't changed it for a newer one because I can't see any point. The only faults so far (65k miles) have been a noisy rear wheel bearing and a sticking speedo. They run happily on standard unleaded which keeps costs down too.
22 February 2005, 12:26 PM
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Choices; after a decat and a remap you want 270\280bhp and still fill up with cheap 95ron get a UK car. You want 300\310bhp buy an import but be prepared to pay more for insurance and be forced to use min of 97ron.
I have a mildly modded MY00 UK wagon and the only ****e thing about it is the brakes which are exactly the same as the imports...
I have a mildly modded MY00 UK wagon and the only ****e thing about it is the brakes which are exactly the same as the imports...
22 February 2005, 12:50 PM
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mapped for optimax with a td05, decat, filter, fuelling and some sort of boost control should see you the fun side of 300 brake, thats on std. internals with std. gearbox.
oh, thats after 110,000 miles as well
oh, thats after 110,000 miles as well
22 February 2005, 05:26 PM
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I had my99 uk turbo, 32 months no problems at all , had loads of good driving , just traded in against STI8 though , Looking forward to getting this one away .
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23 February 2005, 08:08 AM
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disagree, from experience.
in an ideal world the scoob will slay all.
in reality, I have been caught off boost by a clio cup and had my **** handed back to me.
same car, same road, this time came off the off-slip camber at 4k rpm and I breezed past without breaking sweat.
in an ideal world the scoob will slay all.
in reality, I have been caught off boost by a clio cup and had my **** handed back to me.
same car, same road, this time came off the off-slip camber at 4k rpm and I breezed past without breaking sweat.
23 February 2005, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Peanuts
disagree, from experience.
in an ideal world the scoob will slay all.
in reality, I have been caught off boost by a clio cup and had my **** handed back to me.
same car, same road, this time came off the off-slip camber at 4k rpm and I breezed past without breaking sweat.
in an ideal world the scoob will slay all.
in reality, I have been caught off boost by a clio cup and had my **** handed back to me.
same car, same road, this time came off the off-slip camber at 4k rpm and I breezed past without breaking sweat.
Any turbo car will sufffer off boost against a reasonably high power naturally aspirated car. Look what happened to the FQ400 on Top Gear.
That was artifical to some extent, as you don't generally put a car in a high gear at low speeds. However, I recall one occassion when pulling out into the overtaking lane of an M-way off boost in 5th and wondering what was wrong with the car....till I remembered that the reason I wanted to overtake the car in front was that -for no apparent reason- he'd slowed down to 45mph! 
Quick change down to 3rd.....................WOAAAAAAAAAAA 
23 February 2005, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by el_pluff
i have a honda civic 1.6 vti, have a few mods, exhaust, manifold, induction kit etc and i matched a uk scooby turbo from about 30 to 90 before it started pulling away, another of my mates has a fiesta si with a 2litre mondeo dropped into it and he found the same, the guy did have 4 people in the car including himself but i had my girlfriend and my golf clubs in his boot. i want a subaru next, thought about a uk turbo but are they really that much quicker than my civic or his his one not running right? or should i save up and buy an sti? quite like the bug eye ones, especially the white one thats for sale at the moment!
23 February 2005, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rossi_p
Did you think that the scooby didnt even bother accelerating hard? I get people sit up behind me all the time thinking their fast and to be honest I never waste my time with cars like that. He probably never broke 4,000 revs.
23 February 2005, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by prezakev
my my i did start something then but cheers guys i am not an owner yet im selling my current car to fund the impreza im goin uk car because i cant be bothered to insure an import ive seen some nice looking power outputs with few mods really and there aint many complaints about of reliability so hopefully in the next month ill hace my impreza ready for my trip to nurburg on the 8th april !!!
23 February 2005, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Moray
Get a UK MY99/00 Model with PPP already fitted. Plenty out there and ups the torque significantly through the range. Torque is what real road driving is all about not maximum BHP!
23 February 2005, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
That's true, but I guess on that basis it's quite surprising that we're all not driving TDis
23 February 2005, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by el_pluff
i have a honda civic 1.6 vti, have a few mods, exhaust, manifold, induction kit etc and i matched a uk scooby turbo from about 30 to 90 before it started pulling away, another of my mates has a fiesta si with a 2litre mondeo dropped into it and he found the same, the guy did have 4 people in the car including himself but i had my girlfriend and my golf clubs in his boot. i want a subaru next, thought about a uk turbo but are they really that much quicker than my civic or his his one not running right? or should i save up and buy an sti? quite like the bug eye ones, especially the white one thats for sale at the moment!
Did you think that the scooby didnt even bother accelerating hard? I get people sit up behind me all the time thinking their fast and to be honest I never waste my time with cars like that. He probably never broke 4,000 revs.
well i wasnt trying to race, he was just being a ****, he was on the inside lane i was on the outside as he was only doing 40 mph or so along the dual carridge way just so i would overtake, then gave me the finger when he eventually passed me, my cars not that slow, no its not as fast as a subaru obviously, just wat to know if you think his car isnt running properly? same guy tried to race another of my mates in his saab 9000 aero, and he just apsolutely raped the **** out of him. personally i think the boys subaru is nachered! Then again his saab isnt too far off our mates sti 555 coupe!
Think you would probobally have to break 4000 rpm if he was racing a 187bhp fiesta! My car is 179 bhp on the rolling road too plus both cars are lighter, you would be surprised. Dont bother with such cars, thats a bit cheeky! Im just asking if that was a true representation, as i fancy buying a suparu. Also why am i quoted the same to insure a 2000 turbo as a 22b or bug eye sti? I thought the turbos were group 17? Just loooking for some advice!
Originally Posted by el_pluff
i have a honda civic 1.6 vti, have a few mods, exhaust, manifold, induction kit etc and i matched a uk scooby turbo from about 30 to 90 before it started pulling away, another of my mates has a fiesta si with a 2litre mondeo dropped into it and he found the same, the guy did have 4 people in the car including himself but i had my girlfriend and my golf clubs in his boot. i want a subaru next, thought about a uk turbo but are they really that much quicker than my civic or his his one not running right? or should i save up and buy an sti? quite like the bug eye ones, especially the white one thats for sale at the moment!
Did you think that the scooby didnt even bother accelerating hard? I get people sit up behind me all the time thinking their fast and to be honest I never waste my time with cars like that. He probably never broke 4,000 revs.
well i wasnt trying to race, he was just being a ****, he was on the inside lane i was on the outside as he was only doing 40 mph or so along the dual carridge way just so i would overtake, then gave me the finger when he eventually passed me, my cars not that slow, no its not as fast as a subaru obviously, just wat to know if you think his car isnt running properly? same guy tried to race another of my mates in his saab 9000 aero, and he just apsolutely raped the **** out of him. personally i think the boys subaru is nachered! Then again his saab isnt too far off our mates sti 555 coupe!
Think you would probobally have to break 4000 rpm if he was racing a 187bhp fiesta! My car is 179 bhp on the rolling road too plus both cars are lighter, you would be surprised. Dont bother with such cars, thats a bit cheeky! Im just asking if that was a true representation, as i fancy buying a suparu. Also why am i quoted the same to insure a 2000 turbo as a 22b or bug eye sti? I thought the turbos were group 17? Just loooking for some advice!
23 February 2005, 11:14 AM
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I have a UK turbo and although I went UK after having imports that were lemons given the choice again now I would get an STI 5/6. If I was looking standard WRX or UK then I'd go UK again without question.
Sadly after 18 months ownership what I paid for my MY00 UK turbo would get me an STI5/6 today.
So personally, if you want it and can afford the extra insurance find a good looked after STI. If you don't go the STI route get a UK.
Mines got TEK2, K&N panel and a de-cat. On the M4 Monday this young lad shot past me in a CTR. I was bored so pulled behind him and waited for the traffic to clear. I saw the CTR jump as if he'd put it down a gear and I just left mine in 5th and just floored it. I kept having to back off and then reapply the gas becuase it just didn't seem to move and the lad was blatantly trying to show the Impreza driver his car has had its day.
No, your wrong!
Sadly after 18 months ownership what I paid for my MY00 UK turbo would get me an STI5/6 today.
So personally, if you want it and can afford the extra insurance find a good looked after STI. If you don't go the STI route get a UK.
Mines got TEK2, K&N panel and a de-cat. On the M4 Monday this young lad shot past me in a CTR. I was bored so pulled behind him and waited for the traffic to clear. I saw the CTR jump as if he'd put it down a gear and I just left mine in 5th and just floored it. I kept having to back off and then reapply the gas becuase it just didn't seem to move and the lad was blatantly trying to show the Impreza driver his car has had its day.
No, your wrong!
23 February 2005, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Moray
Not really cause diesel cars dont rev as high. How often do you drive above 100 mph in your scooby on the road, when torque starts to flatten off and bhp figures come in?
It's not torque per se, but the way it is distributed across rev range that counts, TDis are over before you know it!
23 February 2005, 01:43 PM
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el_puff. 180ish bhp in a light fiesta is a lot and would think in a straight line a fair match for a UK Turbo... round the or twistys or in the wet a very different story
23 February 2005, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by EddScott
On the M4 Monday this young lad shot past me in a CTR. I was bored so pulled behind him and waited for the traffic to clear. I saw the CTR jump as if he'd put it down a gear and I just left mine in 5th and just floored it. I kept having to back off and then reapply the gas becuase it just didn't seem to move and the lad was blatantly trying to show the Impreza driver his car has had its day.
No, your wrong!
No, your wrong!
I was expecting much more of a challenge and I'm only running around 245\250bhp, after I had let him past I had to keep backing off to avoid becoming one with his large v. noisy pipe...
23 February 2005, 08:12 PM
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Let me see. Take one Unmolested UK 2000 turbo with full PPP and DEP in DBM £17,000
add one large turbo
one front mounted intercooler
4 large injectors
a fuel pump
a tubular exhaust and manifold
A link ECU
and Stir gently whilst reading the Bob Rawle Cookbook
Simmer on Powerstation dyno mark 2
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ENJOY.....
385bhp thank you very much.
http://dyno.scoobynet.co.uk/indexps.htm
Andy
add one large turbo
one front mounted intercooler
4 large injectors
a fuel pump
a tubular exhaust and manifold
A link ECU
and Stir gently whilst reading the Bob Rawle Cookbook
Simmer on Powerstation dyno mark 2
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.
ENJOY.....
385bhp thank you very much.
http://dyno.scoobynet.co.uk/indexps.htm
Andy
23 February 2005, 10:32 PM
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I've been quoted £1250 to up my UK Turbo to 320bhp..
Apexi ECU, fuel pump & regulator, bigger injectors and downpipe...
Not bad considering cars like mine go for £3k nowadays!
Apexi ECU, fuel pump & regulator, bigger injectors and downpipe...
Not bad considering cars like mine go for £3k nowadays!
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scoobydood - I can't see you making 320bhp from a late uk turbo without changing the turbo ! - TD04 will never make it ! PLUS, you'll struggle in the summer on the standard TMIC with that too...
Not that a UK can't make that, as lots (hopefully including me) have shown, but I'd like to know who can do it with a TD04 and standard TMIC
Andy - I paid 14K for mine (42000 miles) 4 years ago - with 135000 miles on it now, I can't see it being worth much !
Mark
Not that a UK can't make that, as lots (hopefully including me) have shown, but I'd like to know who can do it with a TD04 and standard TMIC
Andy - I paid 14K for mine (42000 miles) 4 years ago - with 135000 miles on it now, I can't see it being worth much !
Mark
