don't forget your £1 coins for the sweepstake

 

Text me your figures later.

Bryan

 

Lost me bleedin wallet up there!
If anyone can help, call me on 07971179286 please.

James

 

Name Car BHP Torque Comments
Pickle P1 - Decat, GruppeS headers, Induction, Turbo, Injectors, FMIC, Tek3 remap 355 298 Thought he'd have more
NathanL STI9 Jap spec - Decat & Tek3 remap to 1.65bar 352 354 Very happy - most accomplished figures
Cozzed Escort Cosworth - Stage 3 mods - Turbo, Industion, remap, etc 348 331 Very happy
Colin C 94 WRX - Decat, Induction, Headers, FMIC, TD05/06, Apexi Power FC remap 341 289 Not happy- fuelling issues?
Lemmy STI7 UK - Sports cat, Filter, Tek3 remap 314 285 Not very happy
SamUK 98 UK Turbo - TD05 turbo, Decat, FMIC, Induction, Apexi Power FC remap 311 279 Happy
Scoobytc STI4 Type R - FMIC, Apexi Power FC, Decat & Induction 309 270 Happy
Highlander STI5 Type R - Decat, Induction & Tek3 remap 303 274
Simon STI7 STI7 - Jap spec and standard 303 284 Very happy
Dyney 97 UK Turbo - 2.5 ltr engine, Hybrid Turbo, WRX TMIC, Decat, Link ECU 303 297 Much more to come.
FlamingJim STI4 Type R - Decat, Boost valve & Ported Headers 303 247 Biggest smile of the day
Terryb P1 - Decat, Filter, Tek3 remap 302 294 Happy
Col Stone STI5 Type R - 1 cat, Filter, Prodrive exhaust 295 262 OK
IPalmer STI5 - Decat, Ported Headers, Induction, FMIC, Apexi Power FC remap 294 264 Mapped for safety
Budgie 03 STI UK - backbox only 287 273 Happy
Scooby Stu 01 WRX - Decat, Induction, Tek3 remap, STi8 I/C & Scoop 284 258 Well happy
Mt Fuji 94 WRX - Induction kit, STI b/b 269 238 Very happy
Squadron Leader 04 WRX Wagon - Ninja b/b 260 249 Amazed as 225bhp standard
No bars Krud 00 UK Turbo Wagon - Decat & Tek2 remap 259 258
Kayeabl 98 UK Turbo - PPP, Filter, HKS Hiper Muffler b/b 256 219 Happy with BHP
Mark Edwards 95 WRX Wagon - Decat, Induction, uprated TMIC & Boost controller 254 269
Gazza 95 WRX - Decat, Ninja b/b, Blitz filter 252 237 OK
ScoobyDuck 97 UK Turbo - Decat & Apexi Power FC remap 252 262 OK
Rob D 01 WRX - Filter & Prodrive b/b 248 255 Well happy
Buzz Blaber 99 WRX Wagon - Decat only 247 243 Happy
Nodrog.s.s 02 WRX - Filter, Afterburner b/b 246 240 Happy
Amahrap 95 WRX Tommi Kaira - 3" exhaust 244 244 Happy

Last minute entrants
Fangoria STI5 - RCM Uprated Engine - mega mods 443 348 Not happy - expected 480 BHP
Moe EVO8 FQ300 - Decat, Induction, MoTEC M800 ECU 338 361 Good torque
Tony Wittridge STI8 UK - Decat, Tek3 remap 335 317 Happy

Total BHP 8907
Average BHP 297


Well done to Pickle for having the highest power at 355 bhp (I'm not awarding that accolade to Fangoria as he was a last minute entrant and also wasn't happy with 443bhp)

And well done to NathanL for the best mix of bhp and torque with 352/354 (same goes to Moe as Fangoria)

Hope you all enjoyed it as I did - great day for all. Pictures will follow - but I've had enough for today now - so watch out soon.

Cheers

Terry

 

thanks terry
nice to meet you hampshire scoobs
well happy with my results
see you at bedford

budgie

 

No one guessed correctly the BHP figure I'd get.

Lowest estimate was 317

So the £20 collected will all be going to Cancer research (Picked by Pink Bunny)

Thanks to all that tried their luck and to those that were too tight to put £1 in!!


I still have a few issues to sort out (mainly the Waste gate) but I will be back in a month for the Surrey RR day

 

Cheers Terry for organising the rolling road day shame I couldn't get there any earlier, only saw 1 car run and that was mine

I was the wrong side of 350 bhp, possibly the lowest bhp I have seen for a TD05 / 06 20g turbo.

Dangerously lean after being mapped by Andy F I trust Andy's mapping but it could possibly down to the FSE fuel pressure regulator and I also need to do the parallel fuel rail mod and advance the ignition timing slightly to compensate.

 

Colin

Why do you need a parallel fuel rail mod - what injectors are you using?

btw - I've seen 323bhp on plain Optimax with a td05/06 - (at PS) - this was in the summer time, in January I've had 383bhp with Optimax and a full bottle of NF on the same Turbo - about the limit of the Turbo (unless you use exotic fuels!, or go to a NICE rolling road like Star or Well Lane!)

Everyone

Shame PE couldnt get any traction on my car - maybe should have had several people in it - I was trying to do G Force after not getting a realistic power run at PE - that will now be next Saturday

Not so bothered about the bhp - the Torque was a joke - but hey its like a rocket on the road - so I'm happy enough

 

Bin the FSE Colin, I had the same sort of trouble. Binned the FSE and changed to an SX reg, now everythings OK with the fuelling.

They didnt seem to load up the rollers enough tho, as my car only peaked at 1.3bar. On the way home it would hold 1.45bar everytime

Not happy with my result, as it should be 370+ with the set-up I have. Might try again soon somewhere else, then again I might not bother, as it drives OK to me

Ps... Cheers for the ride Steve, it certainly flies!

 

Pickle

Shame couldn't really test it out!! - as a pipe had blown off inside the inner wing - I need full piece APS pipes!!

Went to the Bro- in laws- sorted out the problem and on the way home to Bristol the B'stard popped off again!!

As Mike said to me I need some decent Jubilee clips - but this sort of thing has never happened to me before

Re the Boost issue - It says something when they say they can only get 0.5 Bar by 4000 rpm when on my Turbo It would be at about 1.2-1./3 bar by then on the road - will only use G Force or PS from now on

As you say - if Bob mapped the car - he would not have mapped it for 1.3 Bar!!

 

Hi Steve,

Sorry I missed you I would like to have seen your Scooby again. I have only seen it once since Regal when you were having your BPM exhaust fitted and that was at PE a couple of years ago when you got 380ish.

I'm running Denso 550cc injectors, approx 1/2 bottle of NF and Optimax. I'm still running standard phase 1 fuel rails with the very small interconnecting pipe work that has been known to have pressure drop at No 3 injector, that coupled with the FSE could of caused it to run lean on No 3 cylinder. Nothing to worry about on the Power FC hand controller display though, slight noise but nothing excessive.

They didn't even connect the boost meter to my car so I don't no if it reached 1.45 bar in fact they didn't even open my bonnet until after they had run my car then they looked puzzled and asked me why I was still running a MAF

The Dorset crew are organzing a rolling road day at WRC in Siverstone, Dyno Dynamics rollers like G Force and I think it's operator is Chris that used to work at G Force so it might be worth running that day

Colin ( purple WRX )

 

not sure if this is of any use to you tech guys
my boost meter showed 1.49bar before run
then reset, put on rollers
afterwards it showed 1.36bar
hope this makes sense to you

budgie

 

I recorded the whole run on my Defi's. Played it back afterwards, and saw that it only hit 1.3bar. They never opened my bonnet either Colin! Heat soak would have also been a factor then.

 

Heat soak would have also been a factor then.

Taking the number plate off will also have helped cooling if you've got it in the same place i had it. Would have had the bonnet open though... strange it wasn't.

 

You would normally expect the operator to open the bonnet to connect their boost monitor and just a quick general inspection to see if it was mechanicaly safe to run on the rollers ie engine oil and coolant levels ok.

I wasn't to worried about running with the bonnet closed because lets face it how often do you boot it down the road with the bonnet up With the bonnet closed IMHO you get closer to real on the road bhp if the rollers are load correctly etc However it would be interesting to do a direct comparison with the bonnet open and then closed so then I could of seen how inefficient my induction kit is due to heat soak.

Number plates definately not an issue Alan because it's mounted on my fog light cover

 

Colin

I think the fact that the staff at PE are only paid till 1pm had some bearing on the fact that they wanted to get you on the rollers and off again in quick time - as you were on at about 2.30pm.

Unfortunately I wasn't aware of this fact until the day (and I had planned runs till 4.15 based on one every 15 minutes) and I had been informed initially that I would need 30 cars on the day to make it happen.

I must admit that I am disappointed in this. I feel guilty for the guys at PE that had to work unpaid after 1pm and for people like you Colin who were hurried through as you can understand, the guys wanted to get home.

I'll write a letter to PE to thank them for a great day, but also to point out my disappointment to learn that the guys aren't paid after 1pm - it really isn't on.

Cheers

Terry

 

terry, firstly a top day
the above is no excuse for poor service
speak to pele at kent scoobies
their day went on long after yours

budgie

 

Totally agree with you there mate but since then the internal situation at PE has changed and the staff are no longer paid after 1pm. I too have been to one of Pele's days that went on longer then ours, but then they were being paid.

Put yourself in their shoes - can't be much fun for them when executive decisions are made - spoils everyones day in the long run and unless things change there then things will never be the same at PE.

 

Terry I'm not unhappy with you or PE but when you pay £35 for a rolling road run which took approx 10mins start to finish, if they had spent another minute and connected their boost monitor the print out would of been easier to understand. Other places I have been to you can then check your graph bhp and torque in relation to the boost achieved on the rollers which is quite often lower than what is produced on the road.

Cheers Colin.

 

fair play to the guys on the shop floor
rob sheard, hold your head in shame

budgie

 

I know mate - but I'm disappointed and will voice my concerns to PE - don't think I can do more than that.

Let's hope that they listen to us and do something about it.

Cheers

Terry

 

firstly - well done Terry - well organised and good day

the load was certianly not sufficiant.. but then it when is it on a RR ? I've seen better TBH. i logged the entier run, and my boost wasnt in till over 3k, and thats on a stupid TD04, which spools 600rpm+ lower on the road - make of that what you will.

i was appalled too that they didnt even open bonnets to check oil, do boost or det cans!. i know its a simple power run but still , they are 'the experts' as it says.

if they werent gona get paid after 1 - they should have told you that 1 was the latest. sounds like you were in contact enough for them to mention this fact!

was good overall , but shant be going back there ever in a hurry...

just my 2 pence
Steve

 

oh, and heat soak ... my car was over 96 degrees before the actual power run after the first two runs to 'test things' ?

 

i went to same r/r on abooked appiontment,they never lifted bonnet then either and was on rollers under 10 mins too.

 

96 degress!!

Heat soak!!

It was bloody freezing on that day......... You all need water injection. or a nice front mount

Colin

If your at Silverstone we cant talk - you still got the Purple monster - Jeez Regal that was Jan 2000!! I think - over 5 years ago - times are passing by too quickly................

FSE is crap - change now to SQ regulator and set at about 40psi - increase if this is not enough - but on 550's at your power should be fine.......

Even if I was running at circa 550-600bhp I wouldnt be considering parellel fuel rail mods!!

 

i know this was the first time i had been to a RR day but they did open my bonnet to check out a few details
but i know they never looked at any levels

still i enjoyed my self
simon

 

Yes still got the purple monster, I would like to change it at some stage but what would I replace it with that would get the same amount of attention, other than maybe a purple 22b

Agree about the FSE, I was going to get an SX though

Main reason for parellel fuel rails is to replace the connecting pipes between the fuel rails. On my phase 1 manifold the internal diameter of the pipe is about 1/8 of an inch narrowing at the tight 90 degree bends, this is a lot smaller than the 6 - 8mm feed pipes.

 

Blimey all this talk of bad figures and that, PE not doing their job etc...... makes me wonder if my figure was well out too.

Standard WRX Wagon with a Ninja BB..... 260/249 ! ..... of course I'm happy with the print out but, it's probably well out

Any thoughts?

J.

 

main thought would be that Power Engineering figures are considered to be at best "Generous".
back to back testing (not by myself it must be added, iirc it was Floyd) has shown a definate increase when using PE rollers over another famous southern rolling road.
(Boy, am I gonna get slated for that! )
However, it must be noted that ALL rolling road figures must be taken with a HUGE pinch of salt, its nigh on impossible to acheive the correct loadings, more often than not a car wont make target boost at target rpm on the rollers, its mainly for a bit of fun or for "shootout" situations say between club members.

its possible to use rolling roads for tuning/diagnostics and for mapping, theres no plod about when your doing 130mph indoors
but general consensus is that you'd want your car to be mapped where your going to drive it, be that on the road, track or drag strip if necessary.

at the end of the day, dont feel down about anything, your car made 240bhp on the rollers
next round of mods that you do, if you take the car back to PE then you should be able to get an idea of the increase


Andy <zipped up and ready for it>

 

Things haven't been the same since Merv left.(to Ecutek next door).

Detcans are essential, can't believe your saying they didn't use them.

As for not paying staff after 1pm, where does all those £35's go ??? In the boss's pockets. They must love the RR days