Fuzz

Found the airbus one that flew it's self into the forrest

http://www.flightlevel350.com/picwin...cat=19&pic=121

Freak

Gump?

Edcase

ace thanks

TheBigMan

Any more videos?? They are incredible.

Dazza01

brings a new meaning to trimming the hedge

Wish

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Now not wanting to sound too silly.

Did they survive ?

astraboy

Les, I think I speak for us all when I say feel free to bore us!
astraboy.

Freak

Uncle albert mode/
During the war...............

Dazza01

The aircraft crashed short of the runway when, after an engine fire on final approach, the Captain shut down the operating engine.

Dazza01

No idea how to host video's so here's the web site
http://www.airdisaster.com/movies/

TheBigMan

Cheers Dazza01

Some amazing clips there. Horrific.

ex-webby

great thread

1) Bad wind-shear on final approach to Luton. Plane dropped like a brick for about 2-3 seconds (which feels like an hour!) - guy behind me had time to screen "SHIIITT.. we're gonna craaaaash!!!!"

2) Nearly out of fuel landing in sweden in a turbo prop.. such bad weather (snow) that the airfield were unable to get the runway surface clear enough to be able to stop in time, had to use the wrong runway as it was longer, so had huge crosswind. As we were flairing for touch-down I looked out the side window to see the runway stretching off to our right. He landed it at about 45 degrees to the runway, then did a nice little scandinavian flick down the runway!

3) EasyJet into luton, caught a nasty crosswind gust during hold-off / flair and missed slamming the wing into the runway by what must have been a few cm.. then proceeded to bounce from main wheel to main wheel three or four times before settling down (this was the most scared I've been in a plane).

4) Landing in singapore. everything normal. turned off the runway and came to a stop. Was told, "Sorry we are going to have to be towed to the gates as we lost all directional control on final approach"!!

Cheers

Simon

Sprint Chief

Kinda surprised by the number of people who think airbus are dangerous?

The airbus A320, A330 and A340 have pretty much the lowest fatal incident rate of any commercial jet. Note "fatal incident rate" reported by the aviation industry includes hijacking and pilot error but nevertheless the cards are stacked equally for all and the airbus does well.

The only exception is the A310 which doesn't have such a good record...

J4CKO

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Wow, well impressed with all the responses, really love reading your experiences, I wonder if pilots have fun at each others expense, say if one was good at impressions like that bloke of Police academy ?

Whoop, Pull Up, Whoop, Pull Up, Terrain, Whoop

Bet the hours would fly by.



My only experience was some horrendous noise from under an old Trident or 1/11 or whatever it was, about 1986, the pilot said over the Tannoy, dont worry thats just the undercarriage and it is still attached to the plane, honest.

Olly

For those who take an interest, there are a rather excellent volume of books available by author Macarthur Job (a former commercial pilot and senior inspector with the Australian Department of Civil Aviation), detailing many commercial airline disasters and near misses. Very sobering reading (I read Volume 2 on a Hong Kong-Sydney long haul).

The BA 747's faliure of all 4 engines over Jakarta incident is extensively described and covered, along with many others. Probably the most frightening being the Lauda Air Boeing 767, which suddenly suffered a deployed reverse thruster at normal cruising speed and altitude to one engine, resulting in an attempted "handbrake turn" and total disintegration of the aircraft within seconds.

A great quote from the BA 747 incident following total engine faliure, 37000 feet over Jakarta:

"Addressing them (the passengers) for the first time since the emergency started, (Captain) Moody did not know that the PA system had been affected as well. As a result, only some of the passengers heard his message: "Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a small problem- all four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress" "

boxst

Hello

Woo-hoo, I didn't die. But it was REALLY bumpy for an hour in the middle. I wasn't impressed.

Steve.

DaveD

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As a result of this, all thrust reversers now have a 3rd lock fitted, which is interlinked to the aircraft to prevent the doors opening in flight.

IIRC the Paris air crash was due to pilot inexperience trying to trick the aircraft to perform a slow fly-past by putting the controller into 'Land' mode. The pilot reacted too late, and when he tried to re-apply power, the engines were at idle, and took around 7 seconds to spool-up (you can hear the engines start to scream just before impact. Engines now approach at an increased idle speed which allow them to spool up within a second or two in the event of a go-around.....so something was learnt.

astraboy

I dont know about anyone else but how much at ease I feel is very dependent on the a/c I am flying in.
Boeing - no prob bob.
Airbus - Not THAT much of a problem, but a silent pray is sent aloft to be on the safe side.
astraboy.

ALi-B

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Agreed IMO, as a passenger at least - having flown all the current buses in the sky they feel a better plane than the ageing Boeing counterparts.

They are most certainly alot quieter once upto cruising height. The autolanding seems to be less bumpy. Although the brakes can be a bit snappy (not sure if this is the piot or the auto-land as some I've flown don't brake so sharply on the same runway). The only thing that I find disconcerting is the vibration just after take off on the A320s.

I hate 757s and 737s...757's choke you to death with engine fumes, and 737s are just bone shakers and my ears seem to have issue with the cabin pressurisation

Brit_in_Japan

New Boeing's for x years have also used fly-by-wire systems (B777 etc), so your preference for Boeing over Airbus is irrational.

Airbus were the first to introduce fly-by-wire systems for civil aircraft. They did this to improve safety. For example it would prevent the pilot from putting the aircraft into a wing stall situation.

This is what the German airshow was demonstrating, the flight control system successfully showed that the pilot was not able to stall the aircraft. Being an airshow however and trying to show off the aircraft to it's best, it was at very low altitude and the manouvre held for too long. The pilot hadn't appreciated how long it would take for the aircraft's enginers to spool up to full thrust and pull up (as mentioned earlier you can hear when the engines start to spool up on the video but by then it was too late). The result was controlled flight into trees. Pilot error!

Dazza01

The Zohan

Yep!
Close enough to see the pasengers staring back at us from the other plane, we where on short finals and to top it off we saw the fire trucks, etc heading towards our runway.

Not nice!

When travelling to Barbados to film once we came into land, must have touched down a bit far dowen on the runway for a Jumbo because we ran off the end of the runway by a few feet and had to be 'pushed' back on - After a few cocktails containing Mount Gay 100% proof we was fine and dandy.

Flatcapdriver

Nelspruit is to the east of Jo'burg, not in the Drakensberg Mountains which are to the South East. Nelspruit is one of my infamous "life flashes by in a fleeting moment" experiences when I was flying in the area in a C-172 a couple of years ago. For whatever reason, donks seemed to like going quiet on me but fortunately this was my second experience of it happening so I wasn't sweating quite so much as the first time which happened in the UK.

It was the second time my wife had come up with me and as we climbed out the engine started running a little rough, similar to carb icing but it wasn't. My wife asks me if the engine should sound like that, to which I replied "no, it bloody shouldn't" as I started to work on it. The next moment it all goes quiet as the donk quits altogether, I realise I have sufficient height and airspeed to glide back to the airfield, declare a Mayday (in retrospect I panicked a little as I could have got away with a Pan Pan) and manage to land, followed by a couple of fire engines etc etc. To my disgust my wife starts to take photos of the fireman, as she likes men in uniforms.

The worst was a flight back from San Juan in the late '90s coming back from our honeymoon on a DC-10. To cut a long story short, after push back the aircraft begins to taxi towards the runway whilst the cabin starts to fill up with fumes. This got progressively worse as hosties jumped on the internal phones looking a little flustered, followed by a lurch as the aircraft came to a halt and then the fire claxon starts up with the Captain giving instructions to depart via the chutes on the port side.

Apparently, a following aircraft noticed a port side engine catch fire which was relayed to our pilot via the tower, so nobody could deplane from the port side for obvious reasons. Unfortunately, way too many women panicked opening overhead lockers to grab handbags etc which was pretty pathetic. As we were sitting next to the emergency exit I let an elderly couple go ahead of me as they were obviously struggling, only for several old bags to push me out of the way in their haste to get off first. In the end, after my wife had got off I ended up handing off a couple of the aforementioned old bags (in true Jonny Wilkinson style) so that I could get off too. I looked back to see the engine fire almost out surrounded by heaps of fire crew.

New_scooby_04

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Take my word for it, that alarm is the last things pilots would joke about. According to my pilot friend, the early versions of the ground proximity warning gave the alert too late and should really have been programmed to shout: "BYEEEEEEEEE"!!

If a pilot hears this warning then pull up first then talk about it later.....after they have changed their underwear!

Nimbus

Well at least he told you after you landed....

blair

I had an "Ohhh ****!!!" moment on a Scotair flight out of City last week.

We were out of the initial climb, but still climbing up to cruise height when all the lights in the cabin go out and the engines suddenly got a lot quieter. It stayed like this for a couple of seconds, the lights came back on, engines sounded normal, then it happened again, this time accompanied by a number of beeps and gonging noises from the cabin (although it may just have been the adrenaline that was making my hearing a bit sharper second time round).

Anyway, it came back on again after a few seconds and "everyone had that look around the cabin, thank christ we're not going to die" moment. Eventually the Captain said it was due to the a surge in the generator.

Another scary moment a while back at Heathrow, with bad, gusty cross winds, a sudden drop and lurch to the right, with wing tip almost touching the grass at the side of the runway! A quick flick to the left had us landing on one set of wheels and then bouncing from left undercarriage to right and back a couple of times before full reverse. Bloody pilot must have been pleased with his work as he was boasting that some planes had to go round but he'd managed to get us down so that we were on time !

Was tempted to ask on the way past getting of the flight if we actually landed or were we shot down - but thought better of it

New_scooby_04

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An alternative subtle hint following a sudden arrival is for a member of the female flight crew to stand at the cockpit door with a dissaproving look on her face and her knickers around her ankles!

I wouldn't advise that trick with Italian pilots though!

Mark Miwurdz

I did a bit of time in the RAF after I left school and did my last few years as rear crew on the Nimrod flying out of Kinloss.

On Boxing Day, 1988, we were waiting for clearance from the tower to take off on a search and rescue mission. Normal stuff; a Russian trawlerman was having appendix problems and figured Raigmore hospital in Inverness was a better bet than taking his luck on the galley table with a bottle of vodka and someone who was more accustomed to gutting fish than surgical procedures.

We were waiting for a lull in the crosswind which was pretty steady at 50kts right on the port wing (no good for take off) when the tower called,

"Wind's 120 degrees, 40kts".

So we're now we're more or less pointing into wind and the captain says,

"If the wind holds steady for 20 seconds we'll get going."

So the pilot does the final checks with the tower still calling wind speed and direction in the background. Still looking good at 20 seconds so the pilot calls for clearance, gets it and nails the throttles. We lurch off down the runway heading east with the tower still making the calls when the co-pilot calls,

"V1......rotate"...

at which point the wind shifted round to the tail and the plane adopted the aerodynamic qualities of an RSJ.

I was sitting in the port beam (goldfish bowl type window just behind the bog and a very good view of Findhorn Bay) and the only time I want to be that close to the ground again is when I'm coming into land.

Cheers
Kav

New_scooby_04

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Yep! Basically, too little, too late on the part of the pilot! If you listen to the video, the engines spool up just as they start to brush the tree tops. Jet engines really don't work so well when they ingest trees as opposed to air!

Just goes to show that you can only do so much to prevent human errors!

Best.