Pavlo

What do you know?

Paul

Bob Rawle

Peanuts, if mapped using EcuTek software, MY99-00 ecu's can be flashed so that the licence is "lost" forcing a new licence to be purchased but MY01 ecu's cannot, the base fact is that no other mapper can see the previous mappers work so whomever you go to will/should map from scratch again, we charge a greatly reduced amaount for a full remap if the ecu has been previously mapped and an even greater reduction if you remap with us for mods having used us to start with, I think other tuners may do the same. There is no password protection.

bob

Bob Rawle

Oh and map switch roms are only available for three ecu types at the moment all new age.

Mark_S

Would that include the JDM STI MY03 car Bob?

WRX_Rich

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not a fat lot , just had a bad map put right once and trust what I was told - sorry if it sounded arsy

vulnax999

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Mark,
I think Bob R was saying that as EcuTEK mappers cannot see the previous map, then they ( all EcuTEK mappers ) are all starting blind, not just tweaking the previous mappers map for better results or more mods, as can be done with other ECUs like PFC etc. So each EcuTEK map is all down to that particular mapper, not an incremental increase.

Me, I am on PFC and AndyF map, very happy!

Bob Rawle

Mark S, answer yes

bob

Fuzz

Of the mappers that are posting here, do you sometimes wonder if the world stops when you get to the edge of scoobynet?

I'm sure being in the trade, you must know of some people that you believe are above you in terms of knowledge and ability, yet never get mentioned here as they are not in the "circle of geeks" like all of us?

Now I don't expect names to mentioned as it aint going to do your own business much good, but a nod would suffice.

Andy

Peanuts

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bob,
Ive always wondered that, thanks for clearing it up.
theres just too much choice these days.

Andy

paul w

I'm With fuzz on this one as i want a tek 3 soon and want to know who the schumacer of mapping is,certainly dont want a coulthard bloke messing with mine.

There is a mapper not far from me that is quite new on the scene or do i travel to one with years of scooby experience.

Car is uk 00 decat with minor mods,will most mappers do the same thing as its fairly standard,does the ecutek software have set maps that the tuners tweak.

Cheers and sorry for hijacking thread slightly

Fuzz

I wasn't asking / looking for a mapper Paul.
I was more shaking my head at threads like these with everyone at the mappers that do post. (as it's the only mappers they know about)

I bet over half the people that have named a mapper purely on the fact they have had their car done by him or "heard good things" via the rest of us on here. Yet have never had a map done by anyone else to compare it too!
Ok the car is faster and it hasn't blown up! Does that make the person who mapped it a God ?


Stirring it up


Andy

paul w

Hi Fuzz,
Yeah just re read your post,should have read it properly the first time!

Mark A

iTrader: (1)

I vote for myself, it can't be that hard. I know how to use a stephocope and I've got a laptop.

As others have said, it depends on what part of the country you are in and what type of ECU you have.

Andy.F

Andy, have you had a bad experience ? You sound a tad bitter ?
Please forgive me if I think it is more than coincidence that Bob and I have scored highly in this particular Poll.

You don't become a Subaru tuning "expert" overnight, despite the claims of some. Experience counts in this field and Bob and I have been performance tuning cars other than Subarus for over 20 years.

We have a lot in common regards our approach. We have both gone out and bought a number of different models of Subaru to experiment on over the years and have developed appropriate settings that prove both reliable and powerful.
Each one of the development cars has been 'through the mill' with regards to experimental tuning set ups.
Not everything we have tried has been successful but at least we are the only ones paying for that !
What works on one model type may not be so good on another. This is the sort of testing that you can't do on customers cars.

I don't consider myself a "mapper" to me that suggests someone who will just set an AFR target on a laptop and get the timing just under the knock threshold, easy peasy ! but unless they have a real appreciation of that particular model and its idiosyncrasies they may be either running very very close to the edge or letting some horses run free.

Proper tuning runs quite a bit deeper and in addition to the model specific experience referred to above, involves a trained ear and requires a thorough understanding of vehicle and thermodynamics.

Andy

ps, i realise that didn't answer your question

911

Maybe this will stirr the cup a bit more:

I have been building Custom cars for a long long time, and as Andy knows I'm one of the Senior members of this 'Scooby World'.
I've built and raced cars for a long time too, and at times needed the help of experts with tools and skills where I have none.

During my 911 phase (currently 17 years running) I learnt quickly that if you find a specialist who you and others rate highly, have gone out and proven themselves in public, then try him, and if good stick to that specialist.

the build-up of understanding is invaluable in the long term.

Now in the early years of Impreza's, the experienced was repeated, and AndyF tuned my Sti v3 hill climber.

Over a period of several months in reading and 'talking' to Andy he had the right racing background that meant he understood the purpose of the car and my aspirations.

He runs TOTB, does well (combination of car and driver) and participates in the Impreza world on this and other sites.

He came and tuned, not just mapped the car. He started tuning it when advising on 20g turbos etc.
That input and preparation gave the 407 x 330 2 litre engine I was aspiring to.

Is Andy the best mapper?

Don't really care to try others to find out, as the 'AndyF package' is right for what I need, proven.

As he says, it is not just ignition/fuel/AFR etc and a snazzy lap-top, as important is the knowledge and pre mods advice.

I have the very same specialist for the 911, Bob Watson Engineering; he has exactly the same approach, knows his subject, proven in public on the track and is uncannily similar to Andy in personality...

Votes between The Mappers by the public is a bit pointless IMHO, find one that suits your needs and stay there.

Time for work.

Graham.

Fuzz

Not in the slightest bitter, sorry if it came across that way!

Some good points raised by both parties so far.

I'm thinking along the lines of Grahams parting comment that's all.
Bob has done me proud on my UK model but I can't "bow (sp??) down" to him having no experience of anyone else, that's all I'm trying to get at.
I will be going back and back and back to him though as he "fits my needs" also.


Andy

wrx bill

to be honest i used bob as he came highly recomended i could not fault him very meticulas (cant spell) in his job and very helpfull when planning my mods so i would vote for bob but not ever having used any of the others i cant relly say about them
but i would highly recomend bob as an every day car mine is perfect
cheer paul

jb2000

who will bob vote for andy has already voted for himself

stevebt

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ive had my car mapped by 4 people and i would still pick andy out of them then bob rawle

Floyd

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Who would Mike Wood vote for if he didn't work for PD? Perhaps PD are missing from the list?

F

johnfelstead

A more revealing question might be who has had a remap, then taken their car elsewhere to have it mapped again after not being satisfied with the first job. There is a lot of remaping of remaps going on out there for reasons other than spec changes.

Peanuts

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or conversely John, who has had a remap remapped and not been satisfied?

the results do speak volumes though, because reputations are built up over years and years, but can be lost in an instant.

johnfelstead

then they would get the remapped remap remapped again.

Aztec Performance Ltd

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somebody has voted for themselves

missed the bit about it being a public poll

Bob

Aztec Performance Ltd

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doh! seems I'm a couple of pages late

Aztec Performance Ltd

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just read the whole thread. seems I'm very late.....

*looking stupid*

Andy.F

OK, maybe I misunderstood you Andy

Although internet personas may portray differently, I think you will find that anyone who has actually met Bob or I in person, will have found that we do not consider ourself "Gods" or expect anyone to bow ...lol.... or indeed consider to be above anyone.

Andy

Deep Singh

Ok, I've had my car(s) mapped by two of the above, and a third thats not on the list( Powerstation). Somebody who 'tunes' your car has to have a combination of experience/knowledge/skill/ organisation/motivation/interest/professionalism etc etc.

All of these things are important. Much like its no point being a brilliant surgeon if you d'ont check which kidney you're actually meant to take out!!

For these reasons I'd go for Bob Rawle. He's also a nice guy who does'nt patronise.

Must say I've never had a car mapped by Andy F and so c'ant compare him to BR. But if I was within 100 miles of BR I'd make the trip and see him

Fuzz

Who was the other party then?

Andy

Deep Singh

Rather not say matey