scrappydoo

Cheers for the 'nuts' statment mike lol!! Your a few screws short yaself

As he stated it was a direct comparison on a very long straight-ish section and if i remember rightly we were all very surprised by the outcome.Think i will have to get Chris in his evo 6 to have a go only this time video it. I bet he would beat me though knowing my luck

As for the mods, well the civic is a performance bargin weighing in at 16K as opposed to the scooby bugeye which is wot? 20-21K, so that gives me 4-5K squid to play with in the mod department. Think i could get my ctr upto 250bhp no worries with that. If not 240 would do. Id also lighten my load abit in the form of carbon goodies and fit a an Limited Slip Diff. That should see off most 300brake cars, and if not i will just get a turbo like you lot and be done with it all.

scrappydoo

Hey Bubba i know its banter mate ive been laughing my **** off all the way through it Btw, i never race on the roads () its always on my own private racetrack (shhhh!!)

I would defo love a merc especially the SL55 but i just couldnt justify spending all that money on one. I would prefer to spend it on the Evo/civic or give it to a small country lol!!

Just for info again

Just reading on a civic type R website:

Quote from a guy working at nemesis performance.
"My cars standard apart from the re-worked intake manifold a gruppe-m and skunk2 cat back (yes it does rattle) and she made 234.2bhp on the rollers last thursday with the standard ecu, the fuel reading was 6.2% so still plenty to go even further still with something like a de-cat front pipe"

Hardly breaking the bank there for the power increase. Now thats what i call a very slight state of tune.

alwong

This thread has been great and has cheered me up no end. I agree the CTR has a similar top end as a 01 wrx and a similar 0-100mph but in most situations a 01 wrx will beat a CTR. (In the Wet? at the lights?) Scoobies have fell through the floor in prices and a 01 wrx can be picked up for 10k which would be similar to a CTR of the same year. I know a few people who have a CTR and if you are an insane driver then you will beat most evos/scoobies etc because you have the courage to take more risks.

RR

I've seen one of those E55 Amg's off in my Seat Ibiza 1.8t. There quick but a bit of a barge.

alwong

RR i hope you are having a wind up?

Did the guy actually try? Aren't the seat 1.8T slower than the CTR's?

Bubba po

Here we go again.

RR

Nah m8, it was the IHI vf34 i run that let me leave it. 1119kgs 343bhp 303lbs ft. 0-100mph in 10.5 secs. 306bhp/ton 270lbs ft/ton. He never really had a chance. V-max is over 170mph. I knew i would get a bite. Ctr's are okay but i would think once past 60mph the Ctr would be left quite easily by the 55. They are a heavy beast but as a 60-155mph car i cant see a Ctr having much chance. But there is a massive spec and price diff. At the moment M3's (e46 or Csl) are easy prey. But i better watch out for those Ctr's they sound very fast maybe to fast.LOL.

Gazza_99

I have enjoyed reading this thread lads !!!

I have just gone from a scooby Classic Standard turbo with no mods to a CTR. In the wet the scooby wins every time because of the lack of traction in the CTR. Which I am coming to terms with at every wet junction and roundabout in the CTR! Normally I wouldn't have to worry and plan my quick getaways in the scooby in the wet. However once the CTR is moving it is definitely as quick as my old scooby and if not it's quicker. The CTR handles very well and has excellent standard brakes. It's a totally different car to the scooby and demands a bit more concentration when driving it quickly. If you drive the CTR like you stole it then it is a quick car.

BTW there is no way a CTR could beat the AMG on the straights. Maybe around corners on a dry road yes.

Just my opinion lads,

Gary.

RR

Ctr's a good car. Hot hatches have moved a lot futher on these days. When i was 17 a fast hot hatch was a mk1/2 xr2. Look what they have now!!!.

messiah

Cripes!, never expected to find this post had gone to 5 pages by now...

Bubba po

Look how fast I can corner in my standard UK wagon..

jasonius

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As for the mods, well the civic is a performance bargin weighing in at 16K as opposed to the scooby bugeye which is wot? 20-21K, so that gives me 4-5K squid to play with in the mod department. Think i could get my ctr upto 250bhp no worries with that. If not 240 would do. Id also lighten my load abit in the form of carbon goodies and fit a an Limited Slip Diff. That should see off most 300brake cars, and if not i will just get a turbo like you lot and be done with it all.

Err actually no, I just paid £16500 for a MY05 WRX, the very one I used to push the CTR along at 140! (see earlier post).


PS WTF's happend to quote's!!!

Grovit

LOL - and that baby is mine now

Just to add this into the mix, I had an Accord type R - a tiny fraction more grunt than a CTR but only really at top end at high speeds (advantage due to 2.2 displacement), however similar sort of beast. It's an age old discussion, but as said earlier the CTRs and Scoobs are fairly similar on paper and certainly going round in each version at Knockhill in the dry, there is zero in it. In the wet however, different ballgame - circa 200bhp through 2 front wheels as opposed to 4 - moochas respect needed.

Anyway though - back o/t - v. surprised to hear a CTR giving a merc of that spec a run for the money, not quite sure I believe myself - rather suspect that the merc driver backed off a little. Still - would have made for entertaining viewing that's for sure

scrappydoo

Ermm!!! actually jas i guess yours is a an insurance writeoff cos subaru uk are qouting 20K onwards for a new wrx

D.C

well you can get a sti for less than that!! from dave hendry cars!!

scrappydoo

What, new?

mike_cf5

http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/html/e55new.html

read that re: comments about handling / brakes etc

doesnt sound particularly confidence-inspring!

a gt3 would be on par with that in straight line performance, a gt2 would kick its *** tho

alwong

You can get a new wrx for 20k.

A new STI for 25k.

I've just purchased an NOV 03 STI PPP for 20K from a subaru dealer :-)

Mad Gypsy

I have run into the same gun-metal grey CTR on what seems 100's of times going onto the same stretch of A road in my 996. It really isn't a race, I lift off at 140 usually (traffic permitting). By this time I can hardly make out what type of car it is that's behind me. He keeps trying though, bless him. My friend has a ITR and we have had a couple of encounters. The very moment I press the loud pedle I instantly start to pull from it. I decided to let the CTR catch me before going round a roundabout one morning, just to see what the handling is like. It was ok, but I pulled on it going round the roundabout and the minute I floored it, I was gone. So all in all, I just don't see how a CTR is in the same league has a 300bhp car.
When I had my STi Type R (310bhp) it was the same story against CTR's, not even close.
I'm not sure how my car would fair against the older E55 AMG, but I wouldn't fancy my chances against a new one!

Never been in a CTR, but have been in an ITR and didn't like it (apart from the looks). The most uncomfortable car EVER! It didn't feel fast at any point. The engine was lazy beyond belief, and there's as much torque in a Tesco's trolley!

Dai-Tec

Hey guys I had to register just to say this...

I'm a regular from www.civictype-r.co.uk and have owned a CTR for just under a year. Mine has minor stage 1 mods and I have to say that there is NO way our cars can keep up with an E55 - let only an EVO, STI or whatever. So please ignore Mr Doo's comments (I'm sure you have anyway!).

And I just wanted to say that our lot aren't all ignorant and blind like some people so sorry if its given u a bad impression of us CTR owners.

Lastly an E55 is everybit as fast as a Skyline R33 GTR (in the book). Keeping up or even beating them - I don't think so.

emRage

Watch the video and see for yourself. To be honest any car with a power to weight ratio of a s2000 (i.e Civic-R)can keep up with ne merc on a bendy road. On a straight line it's a different story but it's quite possible to keep up around corners.
http://www.gofastvideo.com/gallery/i...ve-battle.html

john banks

How can you extrapolate results from a front engined RWD car with 245 section rear tyres and confer the same abilities on a cheap bread van?

Aztec Performance Ltd

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WTF is a CTR anyway?

scoobyboy1

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Been in a E55 AMG, Which believe it or not was a taxi, I told the driver I had a scoob, and we talking about cars, when there was a empty road he booted it and oh my god when these cars are rolling the acceleration was umbelivable. Also the Taxi company has a C32 AMG the older shape, a couple of E55 AMG's and a BMW 7series, and are based in Walsall Town Centre, I alsways let other people in front of me, so that I can go in the E55 AMG.

john banks

CTR = teenager's wet dream
Scooby = Chav-mobile that goes OK if modified
AMG = gentleman's express

Dai-Tec

What do you expect, the price range gap between the CTR/Scoob and E55 is pretty big if u didn't know.

MooseRacer

I've whipped all manner of motors in my Fabia vRS - CTR's, AMG's bring 'em on


Well, it has been remapped after all

alwong

CTR are in the same group as the renault clio 182, seat Ibiza cupra, MG ZR160

Do they all think like this? Surely not.

I'm sure scrappy did have this race and what he says is true but the other drivers couldn't have been as talented/brave/bothered otherwise the truth would be very different.

No offence but wouldn't everyone save ££££'s and get CTR's. Why pay extortionate insurance for scoobies/evos/amgs when you can have a bargain?

alwong

Fabia vRS wtf?????

what power does that have?? rocket power??