JohnRoly

This is a subject that greatly annoys me, I think people should only be allowed to have kids if they can prove that they can support them and educate them. You need a licence for most things these days, why not kids??

I think people who want children, should be made to pay for their upbringing (no handouts) and education (why should I pay for it??). That way, only people who genuinely want children (and therefore have the childrens best interests at heart) would have them, rather than treating them like a meal ticket.

A bit harsh you may think, but perhaps it would make people think twice about having them for the wrong reasons??

I also think that they should make it illegal to have children before the age of 20!! (perhaps public stonings for the culprits - could have a national "stone a chav" day - how much fun would that be!!)

Senior_AP

People "expect" the state to pay for their children. More selfish attitude.

Listen you f$cking pikeys, wear a condom.

Old_Fart

Jay and I have had no children together no matter what he says!
Chuck

Old_Fart

When we are all old (40+) we'll need the next generation to come and clean our houses, mow our lawns and collect our garbage whilst we sit out back and sip some of that nice Hermitage which has only just matured....we can't stop the working class from breeding or we'd have to labour ourselves
Cman

OllyK

It's the non-working chav underclass that's the big issue

Tiggs

there is working class....who clean and mow......and theres scum who steal and breed.

dont make the mistake of thinking some chav called kylie is ever going to grow up to clean your house.

Old_Fart

I might tell my wife that's what she's there to do though..........may be a chav, but I'd only be renting, not buying
Cman

ScoobywagonGl

So if you have kids and dont work then your a chav?

Dazza01

Get the **** off ur high horse Johnroly, so because my mum died when i was 6 due to a brain tumor, my dad then had to give up work to look after and bring up me and my sister, ur saying he shouldn't be allowed any help what so ever even thou he worked all the time, payed his taxes, right up till the day my mum died Get a life u fooking tw@t,

i have 4 boys now, have worked since leaving school some 20 years ago and im dammed sure should **** happen to me or my wife i hope i can call on the state to help me until such time im back in a position to help myself again

***** !

paulr

Its a free country.....

OllyK

Do you want to try reading the statement again or would you like me to break it down in to words of 1 syllable for you?

MooseRacer

Wonder if each of your 4 kids is as level headed, well spoken and polite as their dad

Senior_AP

Peasants.

paulr

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Senior_AP

After alot of discussion and interesting debate I, along with many others would not agree with you.

Perhaps we should discuss how many car alarms are exhausts set off.

Dazza01

Best ask them,
2 will be home from school soon,
other in about 6 after work and the eldest, well he's in London on guard duty for the queen, so pop down to buck house and ask him
He's the big bloke in the red uniform with the big black fuzzy hat on

Senior_AP

Results of my poll so far sugest that people having more than 2 children is anti-social and measures should be taken to ease the amount of people doing so.

wez_sti

cant really answer the poll as it depends on circumstance.

i think you should be able to have as many kids as you want IF you can support each one of them on your own.

those that lose a spouse or something and have to stop work, thats fair enough, but thats not what this poll was about.

more about chavs having kids purely to get to the top of the caaaannnnnncil house list and grab as many benifits as possible.

i think all un-employment benifit should stop after 6 months and child support only for a first child.

britain is an ageing sociecty, if we cut the birth rate too much there wont be enough people working to support government pensions (which are already dire!)

Senior_AP

I agvree with all however I still believe having more than 2 children is anti-social. Why have more than 2??? We are over populated as it is!!

It's time we ALL take responsibility for issues in this world.

imo

OllyK

Where do you get the number "2" from?? Why not 3 or 1? Is it just an arbitary figure or is there some study you have seen that says that's the level we need to allow us to maintain the status quo??

Senior_AP

1 - they're lonely.

2 - they're not lonely.

3 - is OTT.

As I said from the outset - it's an opinion and I welcome alternatives to my argument.

OllyK

Being an only child certainly does not mean you are lonely nor does having a sibling mean you have welcome companionship either.

I think it would be better to figure out what the optimum population is for the UK and then see how many children need to be bourn to those of child baring age who want to have kids to support that rather than choosing an arbitary figure.

fast bloke

imho that is complete sh1te

do you have any siblings?

Senior_AP

Opinion is good. I have mine, you have yours.

No, I do not but I do know that *something" has to be done.....SO.....I......ask again!! Any better ideas?? Or do you feel this isn't a problem??

OllyK

I'd like to see your evidence to support that we are over populated. I am happy to agree a proportion of the population is wasting perfectly good air that other people could use, but I am not sure that we are actually over populated as such, indeed the "need" for immigration (not assylum etc) to prop up our population actually suggests the opposite.

Having said all that, I wouldn't have an issue with introducing breeding licenses either

Senior_AP

England is queue central. P!sses me off.

Licenses to stop parasites mating , breeding and producing offspring that don't have a chance.

I went to Sweden with work. A friend, Jorgen told me it takes him "exactly 23 mins to get to work". Has done for 7 years!!

One day it'll take me 45 mins, the next 2 hours. Queues everywhere, dirt sirt DIRT!!!!

P.S. Did I say dirt???

OllyK

OK so you don't like queuing, but do you have any evidence (anecdotes are not evidence by the way) to support your suggestion that the country is actually overpopulated or is this just SWAG on your part??

Senior_AP

Sigh.

Not everything is a mathematical equation!!

OllyK

So without any evidence, you would like to take steps to reduce the UK population, when in reality we may not have enough population to actually support the economy etc (hence why the government may be promoting immigration).

Can't beat a well thought out plan!!

Don't get me wrong Senior_AP, much of your sentiment I agree with, I'd just like to see the evidence to back it up, without it it's just hollow scare mongering.

Senior_AP

Look at Europe. England is an angry place - mostly cos of over-population.

It's a rant but some things don't require evidence.