I will be voting conservative too, the same as every other time! Unfortunately, being an educated tax payer with a job put us in a minority to the pikeys who will always vote for more benefits.

Labour is just out to look after the poor people and the rich and shaft all the working people in the middle.

Looking forward to their downfall whether it be this next election or the one after. As someone said once before... "every generation needs to endure a labour government". Hopefully this will be the last for a good few years to come

 

Cracking post!!

 

Ah the good old Scoobynet 'Vote Blair out and everything will be alright' mentality.

Unclebuck has done his job well here

I am not saying that Labour have the answer, but I know that the Tories don't either. You can all bury your heads in the sand and pin all the blame on Tony Blair all you like, but deep down you must know that the problems with this country run a lot deeper than that and cannot be sorted out by either party unless one of them chooses to approach politics from a completely different angle.

As well as that you all keep banging on about Howard being educated - well Hitler was educated - so is that really a good enough criteria to base your choice of vote on. Having said that reading some of the posts in NSR I reckon Hitler might be some people's leader of choice.

 

I'm not blaming Blair, I don't hate him. I'm indifferent, I, unlike some realise there are alot more people involved than just the PM.

I am a Conservative person, so I will vote Conservative. I don't think for one minute they will fix everything but I do believe it's time this current Government are ousted. I always thought Hague would have made an excellent PM, he was incredibly intelligent, very witty to. Just the masses in this country, shallow and fickle disliked him as he was bald and short, with an 'annoying voice'. Pathetic mentality that a vast majority have.

I mean christ, the current cabinet looks like the bridge crew of the Starship Enterprise!!

 

I've not said "vote blair out and everything wil be ok". But he has consistantly prooved over 2 terms of government that he will not follow through with the promises that he makes.

I'm just surprised that people can still vote for someone who is so untrustworthy.

 

Hitler was one of the most disgusting people to ever walk the face of this earth. If you are implying that by not wanting to be over run by freeloaders (both British and European) means that you are automatically a racist then you couldn't be more wrong.

One thing that Blair has in common with Hitler having said that, is that they both had/have delusions of grandure and will both be remember for the awful things that they have left as a legacy for their people.

 

People who think the way people vote is due to education just show up how uneducated they actually are.

I'll admit that higher income people generally vote to the right because they believe they will be better off.

Trouble is people have short memories and a lot of youngsters don't remember how bad the country was under Thatcher and the years of boom and bust.

There was justification as to why the Tory party was nearly wiped out, the party was currupt and out of touch.

I'm not a Blair fan but the Tories have not shown enough change for me to warrant voting for them and I certainly wouldn't vote for Thatcher loving Howard.

Lee

 

Its not a case of burying heads in sand or blaming Blair blindly ... Blair has been the 'acceptable' face of Labour and the most right wing labour leader ever ... but he has started to let the bloated fat government nanny state style of govt creep back in, financed by taxing the middle classes, whilst repeatedly blatantly lying and riding rough shod over our parliamentary system. The arrogance of the man is unbelievable.

I agree neither party has the answer....but if you have an acid burn do you poor more acid on it ? or try and neutralise it with an alkeline solution ? restore the neutral ph of this once great country .... vote Tory

who is uncle buck ?

and Tories = Hitler ? oh dear

 

Can I ask all the Tory supporters if they really beieve the Tories can win a general election?


If we believe the pollsters and political analysts the Tories haven't got a prayer, even the Lib Dems believe they will come second.

Lee

 

Labour will win the next election, of that I have no doubt.

 

Intersting you made that connection - I didn't. I simply pointed out that education is not always a good criterion on which to judge someone.

 

Why did so many Eastenders vote for her then, because she rewarded them for getting off there backsides and trying to make something of themselves. Blair taxes those of us who work hard and rewards the bone idle.

The Bust was a world resession not one limited to this small island. The fact that she pulled us out of 3/4 day working week was a credit to her. We were dictacted to by the (militant) unions and that is no way to be run. That is where we are headed again under this government, age has nothing to do with it!

 

Can I ask how old your are mate?

Did you live and work under the Thatcher years with 4 million unemployed, interest rates at 14%, negative equity, constant boom and bust not just one world recession.
I would emigrate if the country was to go back to how it was then.

And I've always had a good job, worked long hours and pay higher rate tax.

Lee

 

Being a Conservative doesn't mean you are sympathetic to the Thatcher years.

Though, she did have her good points. She broke the post war concensus, got things back on track. She did alot more good than she did bad imo.

 

Theres no accounting for stupidity !! People will come to their senses eventually, I just hope too much damage hasn't been done.

I care for this country but by the end of his next term I very much doubt I'll be living in this country...I'll be voting with my feet...leave the country to the spongers and bleeding hearts

 

yawn

and which posts might these be ? the pro Blair labour supporting ones or the pro Howard Tory ones ?

I'll let people reading this thread make their own mind up what you were implying

.

 

Of course you can, 28 mate.

The biggest bust is yet to come. Interest rates are at record lows and people are only just paying there mortgages as they are. Interest rates will go up and when they do it will be a recession caused by this governments policies and not the world economy.

We have never had this much 'credit' dept per household in this country EVER! Record figures.

When an economy is recovering from a WORLD recession you do get boom and bust period within this time of growth, fiscal policy dictates this.

Can I ask where you would emigrate to under another world recession?

The middle classes will alwas suffer under the left, the Tories stand for hard working ethics no matter what class you are in.

 

Is that your way of saying 'Sorry I see what you mean now'?

What's it like to see everything in black and white terms? The posts I'm refering to are the ... actually you're right, let others make their own mind up, maybe they'll reach the right conclusion eh?

 

Yes, spot on !! I was speaking in a secret code


there is hope! we agree on something

 

I really believe that anyone on benefits who is fit to work but chooses not to should be excluded from voting.

 

That's more like it. I think everyone who hasn't a f$cking clue should also be excluded. Their vote, which they understand nothing of affects the life of people with half a brain.

Criteria to vote - yopu are taught exactly what the vote means and why.

People think in a general election they are voting for Blair/Howard etc. Wrong, clueless.

 

I agree with this 100%.

 

Big up yo'self !!

 

I agree but the Tory party thought this and got rid of Hague.

I would have much prefered Hague to the coffin dodger, Thatcher lover, two faced Howard.
Hague has been on a few TV shows since his retirement and he's an OK guy really. I think the tories shot themselves in the foot replacing him with the unpopular Howard.

Cheers
Lee

 

UncleBuck is Tiggers' ScoobyNet Political-Alter-Ego.

Usually they Post;

UB - "I Blame Tony Blair"
Tiggers - "It's Maggie Thatchers Fault"

And the truth lies somewhere in between (And I don't mean John Major ).

 

Lest we forget, Iain Duncan Smith was the man who replaced Hague. Again, educated man, heart seemed in the right place but lacked the necessary panache to cut it with the stupid British public.

 

thanks for explaining that Jasey

having a problem with Thatcher is one thing.....but supporting Blair is not the answer !!

 

And blaming Blair for everything that is wrong with the country is not the answer either which is kind of my point really.

I simply point out Maggie's shortcomings to the likes of unclebuck to illustrate that the simplistic ideal of voting Blair out will not solve the country's problems. I think the issues that plague our society are beyond either party the way they currently stand and as I said above until one of them chooses to approach politics from a radically different, considerably less self indulgent and more honest viewpoint I can't see things ever getting any better.

 

Boom and Bust is a feature of capitalist economies. The British economy has experienced Boom and Bust since the second world war, so to blame it on Thatcher is laughable. Doesn't anyone remember the 1970's??

The current government is in fact benefiting from some of the policies that were put in place in the late 80's and early 90's by the Tories, in order to allevaiate Boom and Bust cycles in the magnitude we all felt in the 80's.

There is a boom and bust cycle today, booming taxes and busting manufacturer competitiveness. Regulation and taxes have risen extraordinarily.

And whoever stated that the VAT element of fuel is "Stealth Tax" should first look up what a stealth tax is!!

Stealth tax is a cost not entirely visible, such as erosion of benefits such as Married Couples allowance or Higher rate tax thresholds. In fact this year was a great example, the personal allowance limits were not raised in the budget.

VAT is about as transparent as it gets.

 

The major problem with the UK (As I see it ) is that the Politicians of all Parties seem to be more obsessed with self-preservation than the policies that their own supporters want them to pursue (never mind what people of opposing political stances want). When Maggie came to power she wasn't like this - but when she left she certainly was - and all the "leaders" we've been blessed with since have the same personality fault .

A good leader is a bit like a good partner - You have to trust them.

We're a long way off having a good leader given the current political Heroes .