Kyl3cook

The Poll tax was the only fair tax....I don't know how people can't see that.

Steve vRS

I thought the demonstrators wanted to keep bloodsprorts as well! At least they had the Daily Mail to mop up the blood with.

Steve

Diablo

Oh FFS, It was hardly a peaceful protest, was it?

Typical behavior of many of those in favour of this abhorrent sport.

What did they expect?

Yes the police appear to have been heavy handed, but what would you do faced with a line of baton wielding police with riot gear?

Goad them? Throw smoke bombs and bangers? I doubt it.

Yet another example of a complete lack of respect for authority. This is a democracy, subject to laws and governance.

Mob rule never works, and cannot be allowed to.

Got what they deserved for their general behavior imo.

D

Kyl3cook

it's a democracy?!?....seems more like a dictatorship with the governments latest move

the moose

It was oibvious there was going to be trouble form the off.

But what were the police supposed to do? Turn up as Darth Vader clones from the start, and it's police brutality. Stand there behind the lines, and watch as the barriers were pulled down, and they look like muppets.

Yes, there were probably some heavy-handed police officers, and for that there can be no excuse. But then if you dish it out, you have to take it. Many of the pro-hunting people are also those who believe in corporal punishment for children, the return of the death penalty, and the return of the days when the local bobby used to give you a thick ear.

Well, they can see for themselves now the ugly side of policing - this is what the miners went through in the 1980s, and it's not pleasant.

But although I was very much pro-miners, I was never anti-police. They're people doing a job, and the job is to make sure the protesters don't get through. As the protesters increase the violence, the police do the same. It's not subtle, it's not pretty, but it happens.

As for the idiots who stormed the chamber ... an Old Etonian, Brian Ferry's son, a few other assorted toffs ..... they've just GUARANTEED that the Lords opposition will be massively weakened. Good call, guys - you've just shot your own fox.

Senior_AP

Police were only doing their job.

All these protestor peasants deserve a smack.

the moose

Senior, I'm SPEECHLESS. We're in total agreement on this!

Sheepsplitter

I liked the statement from one of the protestors interviewed live on SKY News. He was an ex member of the Royal Marines and he was asked what would he do if he lost his job as a result of the ban on hunting. His answer was that he would most likely be out of work, unless someone wanted to pay him to be a hitman to take out Blair, which he said he'd enjoy doing! I wish they'd published his name and address, he'd have had loads of takers, and we could have kept the poor chap in a job :-)

Kyl3cook

the lord's opposition ihas nothing to do with it, as this bunch of c**k's that are supposedly a democratic government, are pushing it through as if they were dictators....I say it's about time this bunch of labour, chav worshipping, illegal immigrant rewarding, dole encouraging prats went and died in a corner somewhere!!!

the moose

Do you understand democracy?

This was in a Labour manifesto, and whether you like it or not, the Labour Party got a truckoad more MPs than the Conservative Party.

So let's see if I understand it - the people were offered the choice of which party they wanted, they selected the Labour Party, and now they are making good on their promise to the people. Sounds pretty democratic to me.

I could undertsand your point if they'd been elected, then decided to use their majority to change their plans radically and instead of banning fox-hunting, they decided to3, say, ban Jewish people, as Hitler did. An undemocratic act carried out by a democratically elected goverment is still undemocratic. But this government's actions are, in this case, entirely democratic, and your argument falls.

tiggers

I'd say it's time you stopped reading the Daily Mail!

Sheepsplitter

Not increasing taxes and NI was also in their manifesto, but that made no difference. Blair does what he wants, doesn't give 2 hoots about the British people or his colleagues in government, he's just an egotistical nut who happens to have become a leader of our country (a bit like Bush in many respects). As Clare Short said during the run up to the IRAQ war, he was more bothered about how he would go down in history than finding out if WOMD existed before going in all guns blazing.

Kyl3cook

I'm afraid not, because this, albeit a little less serious, is similar to Hitlers dictatorship....the government are making decision which are being voted for by MP's who had, at the time of election, not battered an eyelid over fox hunting...and were instead pushing for a single currency...now they have changed their tactics AFTER ELECTION, so in fact people voted for a government which had a different stance. This is in my books, an outrage, and anyone with any pride in their country, should vote against these bunch of muppets!

Phil

Tough day at the office then Ed

Hope you were ok

the moose

Representative democracy means electing people (representatives) to make decisions for you and to carry out your wishes. The authority to do this comes from the promises made in their manifesto, despite the fact that very few voters ever bother to read these.

It was in the manifesto. We voted for it. They're enacting legislation. The government are doing what we asked them to, and you'd quite rightly criticize them if they didn't.

If you don't like it, vote for someone else next time.

Kyl3cook

I will, and I did last time....they have wandered well off course in their manifesto, which was questionable to begin with...how anyone cn see that this government is doing even a half decent job is beyond me...look at the state of the country when they came into power, and look at it now! they have ruined our once proud nation!

the moose

Now you're just being silly. In what way has this "once proud nation" been ruined by the current government?

And let's have some specifics, none of your "ooh, they give benefits to foreigners". You clearly have very definite views of precisely how this country has been ruined, so why not share them?

SiPie

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3661332.stm

Hmmm... Let's face it, the protesters look really peaceful in this picture ........ not

tiggers

Oh great, that's all we need, another 'vote them out and everything will be alright' character.

The problems with this country run a lot deeper than the last seven years (although this government has contributed to them to a certain level in the same way their predecessors did) and thinking that any political party has what it takes to sort it out just by being voted in is a nonsense.

Come to think of it do you write for the Daily Mail?

ajm

Yeah, just look at the evil girls in this picture trying to assault the police



People at the front were being pushed forward by the increasing size of the crowd and as they were pushed forward the police were smashing them in the head with batons. There was nowhere they could go, they had to stand there and be brutalised.

Check out this dangerous looking thug in his pullover, how dare he hold the policeman's baton back, he should just stand there and have his scalp cleaved open.



Its disgraceful.

Diablo

I agree - diablolical dress sense Should have been shot, not batonned !



On a more serious note, I see no one in your pictures getting hit by the police....

Senior_AP

It's called progress. lol. Innevitable we'd see eye to eye on something.

<raises beer and say's cheers Moose>

ajm

Its rather unfortunate, but on closer inspection I think what I originally thought was a baton might in fact be a hunting horn! Ooops!


Did you miss the news? No you are right, maybe they just slipped on the wet floor sarge....

Diablo

No, I saw the news, and I saw a number of agressive and unruly demonstrators getting the kicking they deserved.

I did not see anyone who was simply minding theor own peaceful business getting hit.

ajm

So that poor girl deserved a baton in the face for trying to get out the way did she? You may not agree with what the people were protesting about but surely you shouldn't wish those sort of injuries on unarmed people? Yes they were angry, yes they were pushing (and being pushed) but surely a more appropriate response to that is to push back, not belt someone round the head with a metal bar.

If you or I did that to someone else with the same weapon, even in self defense, we'd go to prison for it.

It amazes me that the anti's can be disgusted by violence against a fox and yet sneer in delight as people get their heads split open.

Senior_AP

Accidents will happen in this sort of environment.

Police cannot be infallible.....just as long as they are accountable and offer a simple apology.

It's the tosser protestors fault in the first place for even being there. They should f$ck off and get a life, making careful note to not tread on any ants on the way home.

popeye

I honestly think that these jokers have completely lost touch with reality.
The right to kill a fox is worth fighting the police and storming parliament for?
They need to get some sense of perspective and get a grip. According to the CA, they've had a whole range of moans about farmers and the way the government treats the countryside, so why is it that this one issue about killing animals for fun has them frothing at the mouth and completely losing the plot, crying like some baby that's had it's dummy taken away? Grown adults screaming and bawling about their "right" to chase foxes. It was embarassing to watch.

Go drag hunting. The fox is out of the equation and everyone's happy. No jobs lost, no hounds destroyed etc. Sorted.

They seem so full of themselves that they're totally agasht that an elected government can dare to do anything that they don't agree with. I really hope the law comes down like a ton of bricks on those clowns yesterday who seem to think that a government elected by the people can be bullied and hysterically shouted at by selfish dolts expressing a minority opinion. I'm sick of listening to their nonsense. What are our democratic processes coming to if people are allowed to do that? If trying to bully the constitution is the tactic the CA are adopting, I think the next time they turn up with their silly T-shirts and placards, the police should just steam in and start liberally applying some serious baton.

Senior_AP

Foxes are cuddley....hence the protest. You don't see them protesting at Tesco for selling wasp/fly killer spray do you.

"Yeah but its only a wasp......."

......and what's the difference between a fox and a wasp?? One's cuddley, one isn't. People have nothing better to do.

Urban people trying to tell rural people how to run their lives.

SiPie

You'll find that the "policeman's baton" is actually a hunting horn which is clearly being held by the protestor unless the policeman suddenly has two right hands

Have a closer look

popeye

Your basic claim here is that animal cruelty for sport is perfectly acceptable and that people should be left alone to practice it. Presumably you'd argue passionatley for the return of Pit-bull and **** fighting?
Another fox-hunting dork with no grip on reality.

If "rural people" were capable of showing the same respect twoards animals as urban people, they wouldn't have to.