Since when is it ok to park in disabled spots?
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Originally Posted by trails
that would be all of us then...or do you have a particular ailment in mind?
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Well I went to Cheshire Oaks at the weekend, and fair enough there were enough disabled spaces available (about 10 or so per quad) but some scal (with obligatory baseball cap) just swings into 1 and walks off. Now I wish I had said something to him, but thought better off it. Just hope the k*ob ends up in an accident and becomes a quadraplegic (sp) It is just damn thoughtless.
As for Mother/Baby I agree they are fair game and I would/do use em, but they are there for another reason, if Mothers and brats park there, there is less chance of dinging the old scooby (if I still had her). Keeps all the X5 drivers ( I use the word drivers loosly) and other crap away from our pride and joy.
The other interesting thing, as has previously been mentioned is pulling up into a disabled space and people giving you dirty looks until you get the chair out the boot. I think it then makes em feel likle t0ssers but at least they share the common belief that disabled spaces are for disabled people !
Interesting question though, if all the disabled spaces were free, would a disablesd person take priority over a mother and child ?
As for Mother/Baby I agree they are fair game and I would/do use em, but they are there for another reason, if Mothers and brats park there, there is less chance of dinging the old scooby (if I still had her). Keeps all the X5 drivers ( I use the word drivers loosly) and other crap away from our pride and joy.
The other interesting thing, as has previously been mentioned is pulling up into a disabled space and people giving you dirty looks until you get the chair out the boot. I think it then makes em feel likle t0ssers but at least they share the common belief that disabled spaces are for disabled people !
Interesting question though, if all the disabled spaces were free, would a disablesd person take priority over a mother and child ?
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Originally Posted by Claudius
A "normal" person doesnt have as many chances of getting a heart attack as people with various heart conditions or breathing problems etc., unless you know otherwise?
does that also mean that people in high stress jobs or men over the age of 55 (high risk groups), shouldn't be allowed to drive?
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Originally Posted by j4mou
just to add I would have moved if a disabled badge holder came.
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Originally Posted by trails
whoa and what do you consider 'normal', dangerous ground that one...
does that also mean that people in high stress jobs or men over the age of 55 (high risk groups), shouldn't be allowed to drive?
does that also mean that people in high stress jobs or men over the age of 55 (high risk groups), shouldn't be allowed to drive?
Regarding your last comment: dont try to make me say things I didnt say. You extrapolate like a woman...
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Originally Posted by Claudius
I would say "normal" is some one without any particular medical condition.
If your saying that anybody with a "diagnosed" condition should not drive, you are still in cloud cookoo land. Unless you mean only "some" diagnosed conditions, in which case which ones and do you mean all cases no matter how minor, or just the more severe ones. If you mean the latter then your doctor can revoke your driving licence if they feel you are not able to drive safely - so what's your point?
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Originally Posted by Claudius
I would say "normal" is some one without any particular medical condition.
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Originally Posted by Claudius
Regarding your last comment: dont try to make me say things I didnt say. You extrapolate like a woman...
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Originally Posted by OllyK
"any particular" what does that mean. If you are suggesting only people who can proove they have no medical condition should drive then you are living in cloud cukoo land.
If your saying that anybody with a "diagnosed" condition should not drive, you are still in cloud cookoo land. Unless you mean only "some" diagnosed conditions, in which case which ones and do you mean all cases no matter how minor, or just the more severe ones. If you mean the latter then your doctor can revoke your driving licence if they feel you are not able to drive safely - so what's your point?
If your saying that anybody with a "diagnosed" condition should not drive, you are still in cloud cookoo land. Unless you mean only "some" diagnosed conditions, in which case which ones and do you mean all cases no matter how minor, or just the more severe ones. If you mean the latter then your doctor can revoke your driving licence if they feel you are not able to drive safely - so what's your point?
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Originally Posted by Claudius
Look, I'm not a doctor. What medical conditions put you or others in danger whilst driving is for medical experts to say, not me.
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Exactly - doctors assess you if you have an ailment and consider if your driving may be affected. Hence the professionals you refer to seem quite happy for a large number of people with disabilities to be driving about. It seems to be you that has some kind of bee in your bonnet about all this, not the rest of the world.
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Originally Posted by trails
eh?
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Originally Posted by OllyK
That's what I thought but assumed it was an admission that he had a problem with something that nobody else does but that it was his right to air it, or something like that
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I can't believe the number of ignorant, lazy low-life scum b*stards that post on this board.
No wonder the country is going down the tubes.
If the shop/supermarket has a policy that means some of their parking spaces are reserved for certain customers (be it disabled people, or people with small children), then what gives ANYBODY the right to say "well I think my needs are more important, so I'm going to park there anyway". It's the shop/supermarkets car park, it's their policy - respect it! If you don't like it - go and shop somewhere else.
Anybody who parks in a disabled bay or a Parent & Child bay without an appropriate, valid reason (as defined by the owner of the bay) should seriously examine their own decision making process. YOU ARE BEING INCREDIBLY SELFISH, AND HAVE TOO HIGH AN OPINION OF YOUR OWN IMPORTANCE!!!
No wonder the country is going down the tubes.
If the shop/supermarket has a policy that means some of their parking spaces are reserved for certain customers (be it disabled people, or people with small children), then what gives ANYBODY the right to say "well I think my needs are more important, so I'm going to park there anyway". It's the shop/supermarkets car park, it's their policy - respect it! If you don't like it - go and shop somewhere else.
Anybody who parks in a disabled bay or a Parent & Child bay without an appropriate, valid reason (as defined by the owner of the bay) should seriously examine their own decision making process. YOU ARE BEING INCREDIBLY SELFISH, AND HAVE TOO HIGH AN OPINION OF YOUR OWN IMPORTANCE!!!
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Originally Posted by dharbige
Anybody who parks in a disabled bay or a Parent & Child bay without an appropriate, valid reason (as defined by the owner of the bay) should seriously examine their own decision making process. YOU ARE BEING INCREDIBLY SELFISH, AND HAVE TOO HIGH AN OPINION OF YOUR OWN IMPORTANCE!!!
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Ironically Cladius before you spout anymore drivel, it's the people with ailments that are more than likely to be under monitoring by their doctor.
It could be said those that haven't had any form of check-up are more dangerous.
I'm also sure that many of the worlds top motorsports drivers/riders who have been paralysed through racing accidents wouldn't take too kindly to your comment about not being able to drive just because they now have a wheelchair in the car.
I don't know your driving ability but I'm willing to bet you wouldn't stand a chance against them on a track, even now.
It could be said those that haven't had any form of check-up are more dangerous.
I'm also sure that many of the worlds top motorsports drivers/riders who have been paralysed through racing accidents wouldn't take too kindly to your comment about not being able to drive just because they now have a wheelchair in the car.
I don't know your driving ability but I'm willing to bet you wouldn't stand a chance against them on a track, even now.
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Originally Posted by OllyK
I can't get my head round parents complaining about parking spaces when they chose to have the "problem" in the first place.
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Originally Posted by dharbige
You don't need to get your head around it. You just have to be courteous enough to respect the decision of the people who own the car park.
If they decide there is a good enough reason to have the parent/child bays, that should be good enough reason not to park there if you don't have a child with you.
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Anyone else reminded of the Christmas Special of The Office where that annoying pregnant woman asks the Warehouse guy not to smoke near her?
"Look love - just because you let some bloke shoot his beans..."
You can imagine the rest... The jist of it was "You got kids? So what? YOUR problem not mine. YOU should make the extra effort, NOT the rest of us. Now **** off!"
"Look love - just because you let some bloke shoot his beans..."
You can imagine the rest... The jist of it was "You got kids? So what? YOUR problem not mine. YOU should make the extra effort, NOT the rest of us. Now **** off!"
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Originally Posted by OllyK
The subtle difference is that disabled bays are protected under law, parent and baby spaces are a marketing ploy.
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Parking in a disabled bay in a supermarket isn't against the law though. No road traffic offence is committed, they are supermarket rules.
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The Blue Badge Scheme does not apply to off-street car parks and enforcement of disabled persons' parking bays is therefore a matter for the individual owner or operator concerned. In the case of local authority off-street car parks, parking place orders normally either make it an offence for someone not displaying a valid blue badge to park in a disabled persons' parking bay or make it subject to the payment of an "excess charge".
In private off-street car parks, such as those at supermarkets, the position is more complicated. These car parks are private property and the charges and conditions of use are essentially a contractual matter between the owner and the motorist. In such car parks, spaces marked for badge holders only are in most cases not legally enforceable, but depend on the courtesy and consideration of other drivers. Company employees could ask a non-disabled driver to move their car from a space set aside for disabled people but they might not be in a position to insist upon it.
However, it is the Department's view that it is also possible in law for the owners of a private car park to agree with the local authority that a parking place order be made in respect of that car park. Conditions of use can then be enforced as if it were a local authority car park, with penalties or excess charges levied on offenders. Such an agreement, which would enable the local authority to make an order regulating the use of the disabled persons' parking spaces or the entire car park, does not require the land to be transferred by sale or lease to the local authority. Parking not authorised under the terms of the order, for instance, parking in reserved spaces would be an offence. To be effective, any arrangement along these lines would naturally require commitments from the local authority in terms of enforcement activity.
Where there is suspected misuse of marked out disabled persons' parking bays in private car parks, it should be brought to the attention of the management of the store or premises concerned so that they may consider effective action to enforce the parking restrictions in their car parks. It is, of course, in the interests of supermarkets and other stores to enforce their disabled persons' parking bays as unauthorised use can lead to loss of trade if disabled people are unable to shop at their stores.
In private off-street car parks, such as those at supermarkets, the position is more complicated. These car parks are private property and the charges and conditions of use are essentially a contractual matter between the owner and the motorist. In such car parks, spaces marked for badge holders only are in most cases not legally enforceable, but depend on the courtesy and consideration of other drivers. Company employees could ask a non-disabled driver to move their car from a space set aside for disabled people but they might not be in a position to insist upon it.
However, it is the Department's view that it is also possible in law for the owners of a private car park to agree with the local authority that a parking place order be made in respect of that car park. Conditions of use can then be enforced as if it were a local authority car park, with penalties or excess charges levied on offenders. Such an agreement, which would enable the local authority to make an order regulating the use of the disabled persons' parking spaces or the entire car park, does not require the land to be transferred by sale or lease to the local authority. Parking not authorised under the terms of the order, for instance, parking in reserved spaces would be an offence. To be effective, any arrangement along these lines would naturally require commitments from the local authority in terms of enforcement activity.
Where there is suspected misuse of marked out disabled persons' parking bays in private car parks, it should be brought to the attention of the management of the store or premises concerned so that they may consider effective action to enforce the parking restrictions in their car parks. It is, of course, in the interests of supermarkets and other stores to enforce their disabled persons' parking bays as unauthorised use can lead to loss of trade if disabled people are unable to shop at their stores.
Not sure how many supermarkets actually do this though
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Originally Posted by Brother_Will
We have 2 disabled bays at my works (halfrauds) and if i had my way id clamp the wideboy *******s that park there just to avoid getting there cars knocked. The porsche, ferrari, aston etc owners dont use the spaces so why should some ringpiece in a dodgely painted Peugeot feel he has the right to park there?
the porshe ferrari and aston owners couldnt give a flying **** if there cars get dented, they will just scrap it and buy another, sum "wideboy" whos saved all his money for a long time to get his car tarted up ovb doesnt want it knocked about
i dont like people parking in disabled bays either, but your point above is flawed to ****
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Originally Posted by StickyMicky
small point all IMO
the porshe ferrari and aston owners couldnt give a flying **** if there cars get dented, they will just scrap it and buy another,
the porshe ferrari and aston owners couldnt give a flying **** if there cars get dented, they will just scrap it and buy another,
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Olly- Providing parking bays by law is one thing, enforcing their proper use is the real issue, which isn't law.
Sticky- Then you get the wheelchair bound drivers park in a bay in a Porsche, Ferrari or Aston.
Sticky- Then you get the wheelchair bound drivers park in a bay in a Porsche, Ferrari or Aston.
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Originally Posted by OllyK
As I said, it's a marketing ploy, nothing more.
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i said scrap, but that was to give a better impression of what i meant, they would have to be pretty wealthy to actualy scrap it, i think they wouldnt be that botherd about a small dent compared with sumbody who has worked all the hours under the sun in mc donalds or sum other crap job, to save enough to tidy there car up
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Parking over a white dividing line to prevent anyone using the adjacent parking spot is also ****-poor. If you're *that* concerned, park it in the far corner and walk another 50 yards. It isn't that difficult. Everybody seems to think it's *their* right to park wherever they want, whenever they want, in or out of supermarkets. My car is my castle - sod the rest of you. Terrific.