Wish

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So of the information was a little hard to belive, but i have to question some of the facts given. Like how come part of the wing and an engine from the plane brought down by heroic passengers was found 8 miles away ??

The plane was being shadowed by MiG Fighters, but they were not armed ???

turbotroll

Some more information to noodle regarding 9-11:

http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/wargames_cover.htm


The most interesting part is the demolition of WTC 7.

Brun

So why did the towers have to come down in 2025? Seems daft to build sommat which has only 50 odd years use

Tiggs

they werent airliners that hit the towers...it was goverment jet planes flown by excellent USAF pilots.

they used Pimp My Ride to fabricate the airliner bodykits onto the jets.

T

FrenchBoy

Wasn't having a go. But if you eliminate the possibility that these planes were piloted by relatively inexperienced novices (which you seemed to), then that does seem to suggest (albeit indirectly) that they were piloted by highly competent advanced experts, who i'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) would have probably gained this experience during military/government service.

FrenchBoy

If you built a tower type house of cards (rather than the more typical pagoda version) and then managed to remove a centre section you'd find that it would collapse in an almost identical manner.

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Well you could say that the accuracy was pin-point laser accurate. Plane could easily be overidden electronically and controlled remotely and perhaps laser guided? Certainly more consistant than saying not one but two commercial planes were flown by light aircraft amaturers with pin point accuracy.

Bob

FrenchBoy

Bob is your tongue planted in your cheek or is your nose just fresh from sniffing a huge pot of glue?

Aztec Performance Ltd

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turbotroll

Did you know that the official story for the collapse of WTC 7 was that it collapsed due to fire damage? However, the owner admits on film that the building was demolished to avoid further casualties. It takes a lot of prep-work for a controlled demolition - weeks in some case. WTC 7 collapsed on the afternoon of Sept 11. Hmmmmmmmm.............

Brit_in_Japan

Yes.

Pilots think nothing of landing on runways which are the same width as each of the twin towers. The fact they did so with so little experience shows how easy it was.

?

Before 911 were there any structural engineers who could accurately predict how a building would stand up to being hit by a large passenger aircraft? You ask if the damage is "consistent", but I suspect there is no good data to compare it with. To research the effect of a jet crashing into a nuclear powerstation the US put a Phantom aircraft (a fighter) on a rocket powered sled and fired it at a concrete wall at around 480mph. The Phantom was atomised, the concrete virtually untouched.

See here

As has been said already, the structure withstood the impact remarkably well. The force of an aircraft crashing into it is less than the force of the 1 in 100 year storm force winds the buildings are built to wishstand. The impact dislodged heat retardent tiles and the extreme heat from the burning fuel weakened the metal brackets supporting the floors until one collapsed. There was then a domino effect.

I would say it's pure coincidence. The Twin Towers had been subject to terrorist bombing before, remember the car-park bombing which took out 2 or 3 stories of car park underneath one of the towers a few years earlier? They would have been mad not to insure against terrorism.

He was in a school infront of the media, was he supposed to run around like a headless chicken?

I doubt they have stopped.

You have the benefit of hindsight. Such an attack was not foreseen. The airspace is controlled in as much as the air-traffic control keep traffic to within set "lanes", maintain minimum separation etc. Before 911 if a plane was hijacked then you kept other aircraft away, waited until they landed somewhere, then you sealed it off and started negotiations. No-one had used large passenger aircraft as weapons before.

_Meridian_

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1)Did 9/11 have anything to do with 'Bin Laden/Al queda'?

Yes, probably

2)How did people with such little light aircraft experince manage to fly the planes into the twin towers with such precision?....Not something that many experienced pilots would be able to do

Why does everyone think this is hard? Landing and takeoff are hard, but just bimbling around is easy. Has no-one here ever played M$ FS? It's pretty accurate, so have a go - I bet you can do it by the third try without ANY flying training. I've got about four hours real flying time and I bet I could do it.

3)Was one of the flights shot down as claimed by eyewitnesses?

No. Even if bits were found eight miles away (proof please) it means nothing - it's entirely possible that the plane either broke up through aerodynamic stress, or hit something while flying low - which it did for a while before impact.

4)Damage to pentagon not consistant with damage which could be caused by a plane.

Yes it is. Remember we are talking a reinforced concrete structure designed to survive massive bomb hits with only localised damage. If a light aircraft hit you wouldn't see much more than a couple of broken windows. The airliner would have been reduced to tiny fragment by the impact.

5)How did the twin towers collapse? Damage was at the top of the building. Looked more like a controlled demolition.

Covered accurately above. And there have been two documentaries explaining it.

6)Coincidence that twin towers were only insured against terrorist damage a few months before 9/11?

Actually only ONE of the towers was insured. It was assumed that no act could bring down both. Explain that.

7) Bush reaction about attacks. Very calm, unbothered.

That's his job. Duh.

8) What happened to the investigations?

Unless I missed something, they reported ages ago didn't they?

9) Are we to believe that in some the most tightly controlled airspace in the world that a couple of dosey air traffic controllers could allow planes to fly off course left right and centre without fighter jets going up?

They weren't off course until a few minutes before the impact. There WERE fighters scrambled after the one that landed in the field. And doesn't this contradict the conspiracy theory that the latter plane WAS shot down?



M

STi-Frenchie

Harry Ramsden thinks he's Elvis? Or could it be the other way around - Elvis thinks he's Harry Ramsden. You are what you eat. We could be on to something here lads !

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Sorry I dont have the time at the mo to pick up on all points raised but would like to address the above. It was known to the US that Bin Laden may be planning an atack using commercial planes. This is documented before the attacks took place.

Bob

super_si

Just reading and going off what someone else said. What camera was pointed at the tower that caught the 1st plane?

Just curious, because who films a building without the SN picture comp

Nimbus

The first plane to hit was filmed by two people who were making a documenty about the NYFD. The were out on a routine call in the city when they heard the plane flying fast and low. The cameraman moved from watching a guy inspecting a manhole cover to watch the plane fly above them and into the tower.

Tiggs

the bush reaction point is very interesting.

he's sat with kids, TV cameras watching...and he's told "terrorists have done XYZ"

he sits their calmly taking it in and no doubt a million thoughts flying through his head...now im no fan of Bush but, despite the critics, he's no retard. he is clever enough to be the most powerfull man in the world so lets assume he's clever enough to sit still for 5 mins while he decides what to do!

what would people rather he had done? (bear in mind he must get a few times where he is handed news that turns out to be something he deals with without the public needing to know)

T

Tiggs

theres 8 million ppl on the island....someone is filming something all the time! dont you watch Youv'e been framed? If fat Penny Smith from Slough falling of a ladder is filmed im sure the most famous towers in the world, in one of the most famous tourist cities in the world get the odd camera pointed near them

Geezer

Sorry, but this is a misconception. The US was in posession of alot of intelligence about various types of attack. The bit about plane attacks was from a single source and not verified. A country cannot act upon every bit intelligence it recieves, it simply does not have the resources. They probably also had intelligence that Al Qaeda would use chemical, or nuclear devices, or sodding great truck bombs, but these did not transpire, but they're were just as likely as planes.

Even now, 3 years after the biggest hijacking in history, airport security internationally is terrible. What makes you think the US authorities would have been able to stop these people when it was even less well prepared?

Geezer

FrenchBoy

The only people that ever truly benefit from these conspiracy theories is the U.S. Govt.

It tends to divert attention from the fact that they are incompetent f*ckwits that you wouldn't trust to run a bath let alone a country, never mind highly organized and complex deceptions on an entire nation/world.

new world order - same old **** more like!

Drunken Bungle Whore

To whoever said "At elast there's footage of it" Well - there's footage of Man on the Moon - doesn't seem to matter.
And Elvis isn't dead he simply went home. Trust me, I've watched Men in Black far too many times!

I could sit and invent evidence and conspiracy theories on any given subject, but frankly, it crinkles my tin foil hat!

It was an appalling tragedy and tough enough for the relatives of those involved without all this. It's all a case of who you believe - personally I've net met any of the hijackers and couldn't vouch for their wherabouts on the day in question.

super_si

Must admit they didnt really check my bag in Orlando. Manchester was more strict i found

Jerome

What the heck were Russian fighters doing in the US?

*Sonic*

What was the flash at the side of the cockpit prior to the plane hitting the tower, in fact this 'flash' appeared on both planes

What was attached to the underside of the 2nd plane that hit the towers

Where is the plane (or wreckage) that allegedly hit the pentagon, and only made a 16ft wide hole (ooh about missile size), and the building didnt collapse until some 30-35 minutes after the explosion

Where is the footage of anything that happened at the Pentagon, including the Pentagons own security cameras

Or the Footage that a man across the street was taking, when uniform secret service confiscated it from him

Why did several people around the Twin Towers state repeatedly that it definatly wasnt an American Airlines plane

Why did the Fox reporter say the 2nd plane had NO windows,

Why did firefighters inside the Twin Towers state that they heard demolition type charges inside before collapse

What is the huge plumes of smoke coming from the bottom & side of one of the towers 10 minutes before it collapsed, when the wind etc was blowing the smoke well away from the towers

A Consipiracy is only a theory when there is no evidence to back up any of the claims etc

All this evidence, and no one admitting or investigating anything



S

Buckrogers

From one extreme (one visit):
Me and the GF got stopped at Heathrow, something in her bag. We were told to wait at the end and someone would search her bag. We waited for about five to ten minutes, with all of our belongings. I said to my GF, "uck this, we are off". We left!

To the other(another visit at Heathrow):
Contents of my bag was searched, 2 x two way radios + charger, digi camera + charger, mobile phone + charger, voltage convertor and various other bits, ALL swabbed for explosive materials!!


Oh and...

WTC was terrorists
Pentagon was missile
4th plane shot down
Bush is a monkey..

*Sonic*

The Swabs would have been for Drugs too

smae thing happened to me in New York, just after Sep 11th 2001

Armed Guard said to me 'if the swab changes colour, you're f**ked' I think it was a slight attempt at humour, in light of the circumstances

My mum & dad flew back from America Sep 11th just gone, and they said they walked straight through customs, and what few people were there werent interested at all

Buckrogers

I watched the vid, IMO it does not look like that plane is travelling at 480mph. Look at the background! Look at the bits that fly as it hits the wall, not very fast! The plane almost stalled at the start!

Silvafox

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Some interesting points here. There's a sight devoted to these points above and make for interesting reading for those interested in it all. The object on the underneath of the second plane is the wierdest one and many people have tried to explain what it could be but no conclusive results. Heres the link:

http://www.rense.com/Datapages/wtcobj.htm

and

http://www.freepressinternational.com/911.html

farmer1

All this talk about who was flying the planes. Does anybody remember not sure when it was dont think I was alive at the time but saw a programme about it. Where they remotely controlled a airliner plane and crashed it on purpose to test out some solid type fuel which would melt but not catch fire in a crash or something.

I believe they gave up when the plane went up in a big fireball, but anyway the main point being they have the technology to fly a large airliner by remote control.

Tiggs

"but anyway the main point being they have the technology to fly a large airliner by remote control."

wow....they should call it "AUTOPILOT"