9/11 Conspiracy?
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So of the information was a little hard to belive, but i have to question some of the facts given. Like how come part of the wing and an engine from the plane brought down by heroic passengers was found 8 miles away ??
The plane was being shadowed by MiG Fighters, but they were not armed ???
The plane was being shadowed by MiG Fighters, but they were not armed ???
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Some more information to noodle regarding 9-11:
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/wargames_cover.htm
The most interesting part is the demolition of WTC 7.
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/wargames_cover.htm
The most interesting part is the demolition of WTC 7.
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they werent airliners that hit the towers...it was goverment jet planes flown by excellent USAF pilots.
they used Pimp My Ride to fabricate the airliner bodykits onto the jets.
T
they used Pimp My Ride to fabricate the airliner bodykits onto the jets.
T
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Originally Posted by Leslie
I was not suggesting anything, if I had wanted to I would have done so, but I offered the benefit of my experience into the discussion.
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Originally Posted by STi-Frenchie
Hmm..probably just me but any time I've built a house of cards and they've come crashing down, they always fell to the left or right, not straight down into their own footprint as happens when demolition experts take down buildings.
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Well you could say that the accuracy was pin-point laser accurate. Plane could easily be overidden electronically and controlled remotely and perhaps laser guided? Certainly more consistant than saying not one but two commercial planes were flown by light aircraft amaturers with pin point accuracy.
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Originally Posted by FrenchBoy
So who are you suggesting flew these planes? Elite government/military pilots?
Thank god we actually have the footage of these planes hitting the towers as the extra B.S. conspiracies would be too much to take!
Thank god we actually have the footage of these planes hitting the towers as the extra B.S. conspiracies would be too much to take!
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Well you could say that the accuracy was pin-point laser accurate. Plane could easily be overidden electronically and controlled remotely and perhaps laser guided? Certainly more consistant than saying not one but two commercial planes were flown by light aircraft amaturers with pin point accuracy.
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Did you know that the official story for the collapse of WTC 7 was that it collapsed due to fire damage? However, the owner admits on film that the building was demolished to avoid further casualties. It takes a lot of prep-work for a controlled demolition - weeks in some case. WTC 7 collapsed on the afternoon of Sept 11. Hmmmmmmmm.............
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
1)Did 9/11 have anything to do with 'Bin Laden/Al queda'?
2)How did people with such little light aircraft experince manage to fly the planes into the twin towers with such precision?....Not something that many experienced pilots would be able to do
3)Was one of the flights shot down as claimed by eyewitnesses?
4)Damage to pentagon not consistant with damage which could be caused by a plane.
See here
5)How did the twin towers collapse? Damage was at the top of the building. Looked more like a controlled demolition.
6)Coincidence that twin towers were only insured against terrorist damage a few months before 9/11?
7) Bush reaction about attacks. Very calm, unbothered.
8) What happened to the investigations?
9) Are we to believe that in some the most tightly controlled airspace in the world that a couple of dosey air traffic controllers could allow planes to fly off course left right and centre without fighter jets going up?
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1)Did 9/11 have anything to do with 'Bin Laden/Al queda'?
Yes, probably
2)How did people with such little light aircraft experince manage to fly the planes into the twin towers with such precision?....Not something that many experienced pilots would be able to do
Why does everyone think this is hard? Landing and takeoff are hard, but just bimbling around is easy. Has no-one here ever played M$ FS? It's pretty accurate, so have a go - I bet you can do it by the third try without ANY flying training. I've got about four hours real flying time and I bet I could do it.
3)Was one of the flights shot down as claimed by eyewitnesses?
No. Even if bits were found eight miles away (proof please) it means nothing - it's entirely possible that the plane either broke up through aerodynamic stress, or hit something while flying low - which it did for a while before impact.
4)Damage to pentagon not consistant with damage which could be caused by a plane.
Yes it is. Remember we are talking a reinforced concrete structure designed to survive massive bomb hits with only localised damage. If a light aircraft hit you wouldn't see much more than a couple of broken windows. The airliner would have been reduced to tiny fragment by the impact.
5)How did the twin towers collapse? Damage was at the top of the building. Looked more like a controlled demolition.
Covered accurately above. And there have been two documentaries explaining it.
6)Coincidence that twin towers were only insured against terrorist damage a few months before 9/11?
Actually only ONE of the towers was insured. It was assumed that no act could bring down both. Explain that.
7) Bush reaction about attacks. Very calm, unbothered.
That's his job. Duh.
8) What happened to the investigations?
Unless I missed something, they reported ages ago didn't they?
9) Are we to believe that in some the most tightly controlled airspace in the world that a couple of dosey air traffic controllers could allow planes to fly off course left right and centre without fighter jets going up?
They weren't off course until a few minutes before the impact. There WERE fighters scrambled after the one that landed in the field. And doesn't this contradict the conspiracy theory that the latter plane WAS shot down?
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Yes, probably
2)How did people with such little light aircraft experince manage to fly the planes into the twin towers with such precision?....Not something that many experienced pilots would be able to do
Why does everyone think this is hard? Landing and takeoff are hard, but just bimbling around is easy. Has no-one here ever played M$ FS? It's pretty accurate, so have a go - I bet you can do it by the third try without ANY flying training. I've got about four hours real flying time and I bet I could do it.
3)Was one of the flights shot down as claimed by eyewitnesses?
No. Even if bits were found eight miles away (proof please) it means nothing - it's entirely possible that the plane either broke up through aerodynamic stress, or hit something while flying low - which it did for a while before impact.
4)Damage to pentagon not consistant with damage which could be caused by a plane.
Yes it is. Remember we are talking a reinforced concrete structure designed to survive massive bomb hits with only localised damage. If a light aircraft hit you wouldn't see much more than a couple of broken windows. The airliner would have been reduced to tiny fragment by the impact.
5)How did the twin towers collapse? Damage was at the top of the building. Looked more like a controlled demolition.
Covered accurately above. And there have been two documentaries explaining it.
6)Coincidence that twin towers were only insured against terrorist damage a few months before 9/11?
Actually only ONE of the towers was insured. It was assumed that no act could bring down both. Explain that.
7) Bush reaction about attacks. Very calm, unbothered.
That's his job. Duh.
8) What happened to the investigations?
Unless I missed something, they reported ages ago didn't they?
9) Are we to believe that in some the most tightly controlled airspace in the world that a couple of dosey air traffic controllers could allow planes to fly off course left right and centre without fighter jets going up?
They weren't off course until a few minutes before the impact. There WERE fighters scrambled after the one that landed in the field. And doesn't this contradict the conspiracy theory that the latter plane WAS shot down?
M
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Originally Posted by Chip
He cant live on the moon because "theres a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis"
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
You have the benefit of hindsight. Such an attack was not foreseen. The airspace is controlled in as much as the air-traffic control keep traffic to within set "lanes", maintain minimum separation etc. Before 911 if a plane was hijacked then you kept other aircraft away, waited until they landed somewhere, then you sealed it off and started negotiations. No-one had used large passenger aircraft as weapons before.
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Just reading and going off what someone else said. What camera was pointed at the tower that caught the 1st plane?
Just curious, because who films a building without the SN picture comp
Just curious, because who films a building without the SN picture comp
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The first plane to hit was filmed by two people who were making a documenty about the NYFD. The were out on a routine call in the city when they heard the plane flying fast and low. The cameraman moved from watching a guy inspecting a manhole cover to watch the plane fly above them and into the tower.
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the bush reaction point is very interesting.
he's sat with kids, TV cameras watching...and he's told "terrorists have done XYZ"
he sits their calmly taking it in and no doubt a million thoughts flying through his head...now im no fan of Bush but, despite the critics, he's no retard. he is clever enough to be the most powerfull man in the world so lets assume he's clever enough to sit still for 5 mins while he decides what to do!
what would people rather he had done? (bear in mind he must get a few times where he is handed news that turns out to be something he deals with without the public needing to know)
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he's sat with kids, TV cameras watching...and he's told "terrorists have done XYZ"
he sits their calmly taking it in and no doubt a million thoughts flying through his head...now im no fan of Bush but, despite the critics, he's no retard. he is clever enough to be the most powerfull man in the world so lets assume he's clever enough to sit still for 5 mins while he decides what to do!
what would people rather he had done? (bear in mind he must get a few times where he is handed news that turns out to be something he deals with without the public needing to know)
T
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Originally Posted by super_si
Just curious, because who films a building without the SN picture comp
theres 8 million ppl on the island....someone is filming something all the time! dont you watch Youv'e been framed? If fat Penny Smith from Slough falling of a ladder is filmed im sure the most famous towers in the world, in one of the most famous tourist cities in the world get the odd camera pointed near them
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Sorry I dont have the time at the mo to pick up on all points raised but would like to address the above. It was known to the US that Bin Laden may be planning an atack using commercial planes. This is documented before the attacks took place.
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Even now, 3 years after the biggest hijacking in history, airport security internationally is terrible. What makes you think the US authorities would have been able to stop these people when it was even less well prepared?
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The only people that ever truly benefit from these conspiracy theories is the U.S. Govt.
It tends to divert attention from the fact that they are incompetent f*ckwits that you wouldn't trust to run a bath let alone a country, never mind highly organized and complex deceptions on an entire nation/world.
new world order - same old **** more like!
It tends to divert attention from the fact that they are incompetent f*ckwits that you wouldn't trust to run a bath let alone a country, never mind highly organized and complex deceptions on an entire nation/world.
new world order - same old **** more like!
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To whoever said "At elast there's footage of it" Well - there's footage of Man on the Moon - doesn't seem to matter.
And Elvis isn't dead he simply went home. Trust me, I've watched Men in Black far too many times!
I could sit and invent evidence and conspiracy theories on any given subject, but frankly, it crinkles my tin foil hat!
It was an appalling tragedy and tough enough for the relatives of those involved without all this. It's all a case of who you believe - personally I've net met any of the hijackers and couldn't vouch for their wherabouts on the day in question.
And Elvis isn't dead he simply went home. Trust me, I've watched Men in Black far too many times!
I could sit and invent evidence and conspiracy theories on any given subject, but frankly, it crinkles my tin foil hat!
It was an appalling tragedy and tough enough for the relatives of those involved without all this. It's all a case of who you believe - personally I've net met any of the hijackers and couldn't vouch for their wherabouts on the day in question.
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What was the flash at the side of the cockpit prior to the plane hitting the tower, in fact this 'flash' appeared on both planes
What was attached to the underside of the 2nd plane that hit the towers
Where is the plane (or wreckage) that allegedly hit the pentagon, and only made a 16ft wide hole (ooh about missile size), and the building didnt collapse until some 30-35 minutes after the explosion
Where is the footage of anything that happened at the Pentagon, including the Pentagons own security cameras
Or the Footage that a man across the street was taking, when uniform secret service confiscated it from him
Why did several people around the Twin Towers state repeatedly that it definatly wasnt an American Airlines plane
Why did the Fox reporter say the 2nd plane had NO windows,
Why did firefighters inside the Twin Towers state that they heard demolition type charges inside before collapse
What is the huge plumes of smoke coming from the bottom & side of one of the towers 10 minutes before it collapsed, when the wind etc was blowing the smoke well away from the towers
A Consipiracy is only a theory when there is no evidence to back up any of the claims etc
All this evidence, and no one admitting or investigating anything
S
What was attached to the underside of the 2nd plane that hit the towers
Where is the plane (or wreckage) that allegedly hit the pentagon, and only made a 16ft wide hole (ooh about missile size), and the building didnt collapse until some 30-35 minutes after the explosion
Where is the footage of anything that happened at the Pentagon, including the Pentagons own security cameras
Or the Footage that a man across the street was taking, when uniform secret service confiscated it from him
Why did several people around the Twin Towers state repeatedly that it definatly wasnt an American Airlines plane
Why did the Fox reporter say the 2nd plane had NO windows,
Why did firefighters inside the Twin Towers state that they heard demolition type charges inside before collapse
What is the huge plumes of smoke coming from the bottom & side of one of the towers 10 minutes before it collapsed, when the wind etc was blowing the smoke well away from the towers
A Consipiracy is only a theory when there is no evidence to back up any of the claims etc
All this evidence, and no one admitting or investigating anything
S
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Originally Posted by Geezer
Even now, 3 years after the biggest hijacking in history, airport security internationally is terrible.
Me and the GF got stopped at Heathrow, something in her bag. We were told to wait at the end and someone would search her bag. We waited for about five to ten minutes, with all of our belongings. I said to my GF, "uck this, we are off". We left!
To the other(another visit at Heathrow):
Contents of my bag was searched, 2 x two way radios + charger, digi camera + charger, mobile phone + charger, voltage convertor and various other bits, ALL swabbed for explosive materials!!
Oh and...
WTC was terrorists
Pentagon was missile
4th plane shot down
Bush is a monkey..
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The Swabs would have been for Drugs too
smae thing happened to me in New York, just after Sep 11th 2001
Armed Guard said to me 'if the swab changes colour, you're f**ked' I think it was a slight attempt at humour, in light of the circumstances
My mum & dad flew back from America Sep 11th just gone, and they said they walked straight through customs, and what few people were there werent interested at all
smae thing happened to me in New York, just after Sep 11th 2001
Armed Guard said to me 'if the swab changes colour, you're f**ked' I think it was a slight attempt at humour, in light of the circumstances
My mum & dad flew back from America Sep 11th just gone, and they said they walked straight through customs, and what few people were there werent interested at all
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Originally Posted by Brit_in_Japan
Before 911 were there any structural engineers who could accurately predict how a building would stand up to being hit by a large passenger aircraft? You ask if the damage is "consistent", but I suspect there is no good data to compare it with. To research the effect of a jet crashing into a nuclear powerstation the US put a Phantom aircraft (a fighter) on a rocket powered sled and fired it at a concrete wall at around 480mph. The Phantom was atomised, the concrete virtually untouched.
See here
See here
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Originally Posted by *Sonic*
What was the flash at the side of the cockpit prior to the plane hitting the tower, in fact this 'flash' appeared on both planes
What was attached to the underside of the 2nd plane that hit the towers
Where is the plane (or wreckage) that allegedly hit the pentagon, and only made a 16ft wide hole (ooh about missile size), and the building didnt collapse until some 30-35 minutes after the explosion
Where is the footage of anything that happened at the Pentagon, including the Pentagons own security cameras
Or the Footage that a man across the street was taking, when uniform secret service confiscated it from him
Why did several people around the Twin Towers state repeatedly that it definatly wasnt an American Airlines plane
Why did the Fox reporter say the 2nd plane had NO windows,
Why did firefighters inside the Twin Towers state that they heard demolition type charges inside before collapse
What is the huge plumes of smoke coming from the bottom & side of one of the towers 10 minutes before it collapsed, when the wind etc was blowing the smoke well away from the towers
A Consipiracy is only a theory when there is no evidence to back up any of the claims etc
All this evidence, and no one admitting or investigating anything
S
What was attached to the underside of the 2nd plane that hit the towers
Where is the plane (or wreckage) that allegedly hit the pentagon, and only made a 16ft wide hole (ooh about missile size), and the building didnt collapse until some 30-35 minutes after the explosion
Where is the footage of anything that happened at the Pentagon, including the Pentagons own security cameras
Or the Footage that a man across the street was taking, when uniform secret service confiscated it from him
Why did several people around the Twin Towers state repeatedly that it definatly wasnt an American Airlines plane
Why did the Fox reporter say the 2nd plane had NO windows,
Why did firefighters inside the Twin Towers state that they heard demolition type charges inside before collapse
What is the huge plumes of smoke coming from the bottom & side of one of the towers 10 minutes before it collapsed, when the wind etc was blowing the smoke well away from the towers
A Consipiracy is only a theory when there is no evidence to back up any of the claims etc
All this evidence, and no one admitting or investigating anything
S
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/wtcobj.htm
and
http://www.freepressinternational.com/911.html
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All this talk about who was flying the planes. Does anybody remember not sure when it was dont think I was alive at the time but saw a programme about it. Where they remotely controlled a airliner plane and crashed it on purpose to test out some solid type fuel which would melt but not catch fire in a crash or something.
I believe they gave up when the plane went up in a big fireball, but anyway the main point being they have the technology to fly a large airliner by remote control.
I believe they gave up when the plane went up in a big fireball, but anyway the main point being they have the technology to fly a large airliner by remote control.