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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 12:57 PM
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I see where you are coming from Paul, but I went for a 6speed, still would work out with labour no doubt the same price as getting a dog and getting it fitted?

What happens if I get it back on the road, go and do the sprints and bam the gearbox goes.. car now stuck in jersey, with x amount spent on a 6speed, which is now useless. and will now have to fork out x amount on something other gearset.

The autobox that rigoli uses etc, does it have tip-tronic? as that is almost acceptable I guess.
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 07:48 PM
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True Christian, but a 6 speed can be had from £1000, where as a full dog kit will set you back MUCH more than this. You could afford to buy 3 6 speeds and labour for each as apposed to getting a single dog kit and associated parts and labour.

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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 09:37 PM
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I would love to find a decent six speed at £1000!
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 09:54 PM
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There are about, but it's a kind of wink wink nudge nudge secret 6 speed club kinda thing. But even paying £1500 for one, which is really the current going rate inc delivery, you could get 2 in fitting in place of a single dog kit and fitting.

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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 08:00 AM
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Wink wink, nudge nudge Paul!
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by john banks
I would love to find a decent six speed at £1000!
Me too !!

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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 10:02 AM
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 10:08 AM
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Group buy on Paul's 6 speed boxes!!!
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 10:17 AM
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christian will have to face agro as I doubt his turbo location is compatible with the larger 6 speed casing.
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 11:33 AM
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christian will have to face agro as I doubt his turbo location is compatible with the larger 6 speed casing
Err, you saying Wallis' and my car have different size (external dimensions) to that of Christians, sufficient enough to say he wont be able to fit a 6 speed.

I presume is Turbo location will be the standard clocked version, ala Trout, Wallis, Andy and myself?

Or is it completely different?
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 04:10 PM
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all of yours were a copy of mine to my knowledge, suppose there is a chance of there being some difference since mine is intended to have a replumbed external wastegate. Having just fitted mine and tightened up the bolts, the consensus between me pat and moray was that it would require some serious machining away of either the turbo or the gearbox casing to allow both to fit.
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 04:23 PM
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My Turbo fitted fine on the rotated up-pipe / down pipe configuration with the 6 speed gearbox. To my knowledge Adam, changes have been made to these pipes since your original one.
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 04:24 PM
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Oh yes, Rigoli Auto box is not tip tronic and is approximately £6.5 K after shipping, duty and VAT
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Conrad_Bradley
Oh yes, Rigoli Auto box is not tip tronic and is approximately £6.5 K after shipping, duty and VAT
slightly cheaper than a six speed seq that I found, that will cost about 14.5k plus vat and shipping!

But I do not want a normal auto, to boring for my liking.

Someone else on another forum said that par do a uprated gearset for the six-speed, but I couldn't see it on their website?

as this could be a possible way to go
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 07:12 PM
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Yummy, PAR gearset

There is a lot to be said for that Rigoli box?
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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by john banks
Yummy, PAR gearset
the PAR box is now a lot stronger, cadbury's are making the new coggs for them now so i've heard!
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:54 AM
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Adam, Wallis' was hand crafted by himself and Pavlo, and i believe mine was the 1st of the new style ones that Mark had made up, with a 6 speed box in situ.

I personally, am still in 2 minds as to ditch the 6 speed and go back to a 5 speed.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 10:42 AM
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Cool auto box for big power

Hello this link if it works may be worth reading the name dominello would seem to be a good place to start not sure if they do rigolis autos http://www.mrtrally.com.au/forums/to...TOPIC_ID=14921
good luck i think its a big ask of most factory type boxes. Can you honestly say you will fully use all the power? sunny again ah well Rob mac.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ChristianR
slightly cheaper than a six speed seq that I found, that will cost about 14.5k plus vat and shipping!

But I do not want a normal auto, to boring for my liking.

Someone else on another forum said that par do a uprated gearset for the six-speed, but I couldn't see it on their website?

as this could be a possible way to go
Christian, with 600 ft/lbs and 600 hp I dont believe "boring" would describe the feeling driving your car even with an autobox

Apparently, the autobox "cushions" the blow to the transmission componants. Rigoli have only just changed to a fixed back axle system from standard componants (diffs & driveshafts) after breaking a driveshaft. They only became a problem when the car went into the 9 second quarters and 150 mph terminal speeds . They are believed to be well over 1000 hp so it seems like a good test.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 11:37 AM
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How about getting a 6speed, then later down the line, possibly getting a gear set made. There is Jun 6speed gearset but probably is a fortune! There is a gearbox guy in the Uk that was looking at making a gear set for the 6speed to take this torque. Im not sure if its done yet or if its still in testing area but was cheaper than most gearsets and looked promising
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 01:07 PM
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you can buy an uprated gearse for the 6 speed already from PPG. It cost's a measly $11,000 australian, plus vat and delivery.

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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 02:48 PM
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And what bhp/torque is the PPG good for?

Just interested
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pavlo
you can buy an uprated gearse for the 6 speed already from PPG. It cost's a measly $11,000 australian, plus vat and delivery.

Paul

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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Conrad_Bradley
Christian, with 600 ft/lbs and 600 hp I dont believe "boring" would describe the feeling driving your car even with an autobox
I know what you are saying, but still an autobox! if it was tip-tronic, then I prob would have been tempted!
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 11:33 PM
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Next you will have a leather interior and pipe and slippers

Autobox indeed

Thats some torque figure.

If you want to maintain that power, the gearbox will cost a fortune. And as a few people have pointed out that power isnt likely to hold the internals together.....
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Old Sep 9, 2004 | 10:03 AM
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With the pectel, going to have incar boost control settings, so I am going to have different power settings so to speak. So will prob only use the full amount when doing the sprints etc. As with a speed limit of 40mph.... well say no more
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Old Sep 9, 2004 | 10:12 AM
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Christian, go with a 6spd. Break it then use the casing for something else..

Also be gentle with it.
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Old Sep 9, 2004 | 10:25 AM
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What clutch are you using Christian ?
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Old Sep 9, 2004 | 01:24 PM
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no point asking that andy, he doesn't know.
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