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16 August 2004, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
go find a kids swimming lesson and watch.
i have seen 1000's of ppl swim. i have seen 100's of white kids where i thought they could be great swimmers with a push. Never seen a great natural black swimmer.....but seen plenty of little black kids with some great musculature that would make them excellent sprinters.
i remember coaching a kid that was 8 and looked like a mini lee haney!
i have seen 1000's of ppl swim. i have seen 100's of white kids where i thought they could be great swimmers with a push. Never seen a great natural black swimmer.....but seen plenty of little black kids with some great musculature that would make them excellent sprinters.
i remember coaching a kid that was 8 and looked like a mini lee haney!
16 August 2004, 02:40 PM
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I remember seeing that greek guy at the last olympics and thinkin "wow a white guy winning the 200m!" but now I guess we know why.
However plenty of the african-american-caribbean-etc folks are taking performance enhancers too....perhaps with some races the drugs work better?
However plenty of the african-american-caribbean-etc folks are taking performance enhancers too....perhaps with some races the drugs work better?
16 August 2004, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Fair enough, i've not had that kind of exposure. But i'd be *amazed* if swimming was the one athletic event that blacks were unable to excel at. We'll see, but i know where my money would be...
but its the ONLY event where the bodies ability to move through water is an issue.
16 August 2004, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by oztokyo
I think British sports performance has a lot to do with the culture too. You may point to facilities but football has tons of cash yet they can't field a consistently world dominating team, while a lot of dirt poor Brazilians make do with a tin can in the Favellas.
I've seen plenty of good sunny summer days here and seen local kids skulking around the shadows smoking **** while a huge green is unused. it's telling that the only kids out taking advantage of the weather are asian kids playing cricket.
When I was growing up in Oz rain hail or shine we got outside and played any kind of sport.
I've seen plenty of good sunny summer days here and seen local kids skulking around the shadows smoking **** while a huge green is unused. it's telling that the only kids out taking advantage of the weather are asian kids playing cricket.
When I was growing up in Oz rain hail or shine we got outside and played any kind of sport.
This is why Australia punches far above it's weight in sport and if the UK was to do the same, given our larger population you'd be surprised how well we'd do. I remember when Gough Whitlam started the ball rolling 30 odd years ago and now look where it's got them. Just look back to the last Olympics when GB athletes finally had some decent funding from the Lotto and what a coincidence - we started to win more medals.
16 August 2004, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
i can assure you black kids dont play b ball in the street for money!
16 August 2004, 02:46 PM
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"OK...another one - gymnastics. Seems another sport which excludes races. Have you seen the muscles on male gymnasts though!!! Huge"
now that is a social thing in part. go to a kids gym class and 95% are girls to start with. You would have a job getting a young black kid along to a club where most are girls and none are black
now that is a social thing in part. go to a kids gym class and 95% are girls to start with. You would have a job getting a young black kid along to a club where most are girls and none are black
16 August 2004, 02:50 PM
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Hmm...money works up to a point but it's also attitude. How many sports don't have any sports institute support and we have people at the top level of American sport....Basketball and Baseball. I find when you greet someone here if you get a reply then it's more along the lines of 'could be better' or 'not bad'. At home it's usually 'good' or 'fine' or even 'great'.
Mental toughness goes a long way. Lookit how old Timmy goes up and down like a roller coaster...actually look at most British athletes besides redgrave and that distance runner bird I can't remember her name....
Mental toughness goes a long way. Lookit how old Timmy goes up and down like a roller coaster...actually look at most British athletes besides redgrave and that distance runner bird I can't remember her name....
16 August 2004, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
no they dont.
I think they do.....basketball all the time, Jordan (or whoever) on their shirt. All dreaming of being the next Jordan or Shaq or whatever.
16 August 2004, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
not explosive though. and big social issues- esp rowing
16 August 2004, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Pantomime pantomime!!
I think they do.....basketball all the time, Jordan (or whoever) on their shirt. All dreaming of being the next Jordan or Shaq or whatever.
I think they do.....basketball all the time, Jordan (or whoever) on their shirt. All dreaming of being the next Jordan or Shaq or whatever.
they want to be jordan....they dont play to be rich. (although if MJ was broke maybe they wouldnt play!)
16 August 2004, 02:55 PM
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Just been talking to somebody who knows a lot more than i do on this.
Can anyone verify that black people's skin is physically different from white people's, in terms of its water retention abilities?
Being told this is a major obstacle to being effective in water. True?
Can anyone verify that black people's skin is physically different from white people's, in terms of its water retention abilities?
Being told this is a major obstacle to being effective in water. True?
16 August 2004, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by oztokyo
Hmm...money works up to a point but it's also attitude. How many sports don't have any sports institute support and we have people at the top level of American sport....Basketball and Baseball. I find when you greet someone here if you get a reply then it's more along the lines of 'could be better' or 'not bad'. At home it's usually 'good' or 'fine' or even 'great'.
Mental toughness goes a long way. Lookit how old Timmy goes up and down like a roller coaster...actually look at most British athletes besides redgrave and that distance runner bird I can't remember her name....
Mental toughness goes a long way. Lookit how old Timmy goes up and down like a roller coaster...actually look at most British athletes besides redgrave and that distance runner bird I can't remember her name....
What about - Linford Christie, Sally Gunnel, Sebastian Coe, Steve Ovett, the black hurdler from wales, Jonathon Edwards??
16 August 2004, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Paula Radcliffe?
What about - Linford Christie, Sally Gunnel, Sebastian Coe, Steve Ovett, the black hurdler from wales, Jonathon Edwards??
What about - Linford Christie, Sally Gunnel, Sebastian Coe, Steve Ovett, the black hurdler from wales, Jonathon Edwards??
The black hurdler form Wales - Colin Jackson.
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Originally Posted by imlach
Also - India. One of the largest populations in the world, yet Olympic performance is poor. Compare to China, which has a big Olympics history.
Odd.
Odd.
China on the other hand has worked very hard to achieve medals in the Olympics, more so I suspect because they're a communist country and like the former Soviet Union believe excelling at sport reflects well upon the ideology of their government.
16 August 2004, 02:56 PM
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Err looks like the swimming bubble may be bursting...
http://www.blackathlete.com/Swimming...ing122100.html
http://www.southafrica.info/what_hap...ers_021003.htm
http://www.blackathlete.com/Swimming...ing122100.html
http://www.southafrica.info/what_hap...ers_021003.htm
16 August 2004, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Just been talking to somebody who knows a lot more than i do on this.
Can anyone verify that black people's skin is physically different from white people's, in terms of its water retention abilities?
Being told this is a major obstacle to being effective in water. True?
Can anyone verify that black people's skin is physically different from white people's, in terms of its water retention abilities?
Being told this is a major obstacle to being effective in water. True?
16 August 2004, 02:59 PM
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And a spot more googling provides
"It's really hard for minorities to get the facilities. It's a very expensive sport. My goal is to get more pools built." from the BBC
16 August 2004, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
That's the chappy
He beat Roger Kingdom in '96 (I think '96) , after Kingdom had said that Jackson should stick to sheep sheering!!! Woooooaooaooo!!!!
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16 August 2004, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
So it doesn't look to be a race related thing at all