California annuls gay marriages.
13 August 2004, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by the moose
Very much not, I'm afraid.
Well, yes it is. They may be fine parents but the bullying would be a major obstacle.
Cutting a long story short that is exactly what I've said.
You iz fick.
13 August 2004, 03:26 PM
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FB, for what it's worth (the paper Scoobynet is printed on...): if you could have tapped my house you would have heard me & my wife say the same thing: "kids, pah, selfish".
We do however compensate with having loads of pets and taking extremely good care of them, and deep down we know we were just chickening out (for various reasons private to us).
We do however compensate with having loads of pets and taking extremely good care of them, and deep down we know we were just chickening out (for various reasons private to us).
13 August 2004, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SomeDude
Read up.
10 % of kids (wild guess) have a gay parent
10 % of kids (wild guess) have a gay parent
Gee if you are going to come out with statistics, at leats have something to back them up rather than just SWAG.
13 August 2004, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
"My daughter's godfather is gay" my wifes mum is Irish but i couldnt find it on a map...whats your point?
" as i honestly believe that its a wicked thing to inflict this cruel life on another being"
you need to end it all now! my kids love life.....just cause yours sucks doesnt mean we are all sat on Beachy Head
" as i honestly believe that its a wicked thing to inflict this cruel life on another being"
you need to end it all now! my kids love life.....just cause yours sucks doesnt mean we are all sat on Beachy Head
my comment for those that care!
if FB belives that every mum to be is doing something "wicked" then i stand by my suggestion!
i could also find a load of mums to be push him if he needs help
13 August 2004, 03:31 PM
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Olly, watch that cat ! Flowerbed alert 
If you care to read I was the first in this thread to point out that gay couples may object to having kids too.
If you doubt my numbers, that's your right. I'd be truly amazed if I would be even 50 % off, but there you go.
You did spoil the fun I had in this thread though, ta.
Edit: backing up: Masters & Johnson
If you care to read I was the first in this thread to point out that gay couples may object to having kids too.
If you doubt my numbers, that's your right. I'd be truly amazed if I would be even 50 % off, but there you go.
You did spoil the fun I had in this thread though, ta.
Edit: backing up: Masters & Johnson
13 August 2004, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
In an ideal world I'd be fine for a homosexual couple to bring up a child, prefer them to be heterosexual but if they are good loving parents I would not oppose. Unfortunately it is not an ideal world and the whole idea is out of order big time.
13 August 2004, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by the moose
It's not an ideal world, the whole idea is out of order, ergo you're against it. That's very different from Tel's point, and I'm afraid demonstrates yet again that if one of us is thick, it's not me.
Yes, in the world in which we live.
....and you have a go at me for making assumptions.
13 August 2004, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
THE WHOLE IDEA IS OUT OF ORDER BIG TIME.
Yes, in the world in which we live.
....and you have a go at me for making assumptions.
Yes, in the world in which we live.
....and you have a go at me for making assumptions.
My point is that I am not against the concept of gay parenting "in the world in which we live". You are.
Who iz fick?
13 August 2004, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by the moose
Er, I'm using your quotes. You're saying you're against the concept in the world in which we live. I'm saying I'm not. Tel is supportive of the idea but is worried over the bullying. I agree with him.
My point is that I am not against the concept of gay parenting "in the world in which we live". You are.
Who iz fick?
My point is that I am not against the concept of gay parenting "in the world in which we live". You are.
Who iz fick?
The difference is the bullying can't and won't be stopped. This is pointless. You are just a typical SN argumentative noddy.
13 August 2004, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Like a silly school boy. Amazing.
The difference is the bullying can't and won't be stopped. This is pointless. You are just a typical SN argumentative noddy.
The difference is the bullying can't and won't be stopped. This is pointless. You are just a typical SN argumentative noddy.
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13 August 2004, 03:53 PM
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98% of gay couples (wild guess) think adopting a straight child is morally wrong.
Gee if you are going to come out with statistics, at leats have something to back them up rather than just SWAG.
Gee if you are going to come out with statistics, at leats have something to back them up rather than just SWAG.
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13 August 2004, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by the moose
What was that you were saying about arrogance earlier?
13 August 2004, 03:57 PM
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Marriage is a union of two people who have chosen to spend the rest of their lives in matrimony.
Pushing the religious reasons aside, because not all of us believe in it, marriage should be open to all those seeking that ultimate confirmation of commitment.
It is unfair to suggest that a couple of the same sex are not adequate to bring up children as a couple. It is a damn shame the law cannot be so choosy when it comes to female floozy's!
Like anything, the human race moves on and things that were unheard of 50 years ago are now embraced as normal - whatever normal is.
Hooray for gay relationships, marriages and families. Boo to those who cannot accept the changes in society as the years roll by.
Pushing the religious reasons aside, because not all of us believe in it, marriage should be open to all those seeking that ultimate confirmation of commitment.
It is unfair to suggest that a couple of the same sex are not adequate to bring up children as a couple. It is a damn shame the law cannot be so choosy when it comes to female floozy's!
Like anything, the human race moves on and things that were unheard of 50 years ago are now embraced as normal - whatever normal is.
Hooray for gay relationships, marriages and families. Boo to those who cannot accept the changes in society as the years roll by.
13 August 2004, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Noddy wasn't designed as an insult, more a statement of fact. You're one of these wind ups who thrives on disagreeing with someone, anyone, as long as you can. Noddy is apt ; as opposed to insulting.
It may astonish you to realise that others (of whom I am one) fundamentally disagree with what you say. Live with it. It'll happen through life.
I'm disagreeing because I think you're wrong, have poorly-formed views, and can substantiate little of what you say, not because of a desire to argue per se.
13 August 2004, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulgirl
Marriage is a union of two people who have chosen to spend the rest of their lives in matrimony.
Pushing the religious reasons aside, because not all of us believe in it, marriage should be open to all those seeking that ultimate confirmation of commitment.
It is unfair to suggest that a couple of the same sex are not adequate to bring up children as a couple. It is a damn shame the law cannot be so choosy when it comes to female floozy's!
Like anything, the human race moves on and things that were unheard of 50 years ago are now embraced as normal - whatever normal is.
Hooray for gay relationships, marriages and families. Boo to those who cannot accept the changes in society as the years roll by.
Pushing the religious reasons aside, because not all of us believe in it, marriage should be open to all those seeking that ultimate confirmation of commitment.
It is unfair to suggest that a couple of the same sex are not adequate to bring up children as a couple. It is a damn shame the law cannot be so choosy when it comes to female floozy's!
Like anything, the human race moves on and things that were unheard of 50 years ago are now embraced as normal - whatever normal is.
Hooray for gay relationships, marriages and families. Boo to those who cannot accept the changes in society as the years roll by.
I told her to type that you know...
Shhhh!!!!
13 August 2004, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by the moose
Yet again, you're assuming, assuming, assuming.
It may astonish you to realise that others (of whom I am one) fundamentally disagree with what you say. Live with it. It'll happen through life.
I'm disagreeing because I think you're wrong, have poorly-formed views, and can substantiate little of what you say, not because of a desire to argue per se.
It may astonish you to realise that others (of whom I am one) fundamentally disagree with what you say. Live with it. It'll happen through life.
I'm disagreeing because I think you're wrong, have poorly-formed views, and can substantiate little of what you say, not because of a desire to argue per se.
Hypocritical as well as a "skim through post" reader.
I'm bored now. Leave it. Have your last say if you really wish.
13 August 2004, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Henrik
So in a survey by a gay and lesbian organisation we have about 8.4% of males that have "Ever had a sexual experience, not necessarily including genital contact, with a partner of the same sex?" and about 9.7% for women.
I haven't read it in full detail to see if the above "experience" includes "hugging" or "kissing". When you get on to genital contact it drops to 6.3% and 5.7% respectively.
Now what do you term as gay? If you have had a gay experience, does that mean you ARE gay or just you have had an experience??
Anyway assuming that EVERYBODY that has had a gay experience is STILL gay and they ALL had children, then SomeDude - you are still overestimating.
I wonder how many of those 6.3% of men, consider themself gay. Of those that do I wonder how many of them have kids?? I think it is reasonable to say that you guess was wildly out and if it is 1.5% I would be surprised.
13 August 2004, 04:09 PM
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to TelBoy Just as a quick addage, it is obviously not important to have an opposite sex in the same family when rearing children, otherwise single-parented kiddies would show signs of being socially damaged... and they are not. Not from being reared by one parent so would not from being reared by two parents of the same sex.
13 August 2004, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Thank you!!!
So in a survey by a gay and lesbian organisation we have about 8.4% of males that have "Ever had a sexual experience, not necessarily including genital contact, with a partner of the same sex?" and about 9.7% for women.
I haven't read it in full detail to see if the above "experience" includes "hugging" or "kissing". When you get on to genital contact it drops to 6.3% and 5.7% respectively.
Now what do you term as gay? If you have had a gay experience, does that mean you ARE gay or just you have had an experience??
Anyway assuming that EVERYBODY that has had a gay experience is STILL gay and they ALL had children, then SomeDude - you are still overestimating.
I wonder how many of those 6.3% of men, consider themself gay. Of those that do I wonder how many of them have kids?? I think it is reasonable to say that you guess was wildly out and if it is 1.5% I would be surprised.
So in a survey by a gay and lesbian organisation we have about 8.4% of males that have "Ever had a sexual experience, not necessarily including genital contact, with a partner of the same sex?" and about 9.7% for women.
I haven't read it in full detail to see if the above "experience" includes "hugging" or "kissing". When you get on to genital contact it drops to 6.3% and 5.7% respectively.
Now what do you term as gay? If you have had a gay experience, does that mean you ARE gay or just you have had an experience??
Anyway assuming that EVERYBODY that has had a gay experience is STILL gay and they ALL had children, then SomeDude - you are still overestimating.
I wonder how many of those 6.3% of men, consider themself gay. Of those that do I wonder how many of them have kids?? I think it is reasonable to say that you guess was wildly out and if it is 1.5% I would be surprised.
Many people have same-sex sexual experiences but that doesn't denote that they are gay, just that they have tried something different.
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Originally Posted by Soulgirl
to TelBoy Just as a quick addage, it is obviously not important to have an opposite sex in the same family when rearing children, otherwise single-parented kiddies would show signs of being socially damaged... and they are not. Not from being reared by one parent so would not from being reared by two parents of the same sex.
save yourself some time and effort by walking up to the nearest wall and repeatedly bang your head against it.